th twin imp princessez

princess jestress (jess) & princess kittykat (kit/kat) | tma transage system ov littlez & middlez | disabled | we individually use it/she but prefer non-they plural (pro)nounz (the princessez, the impz, my ladiez, y'all, etc) | dont make fun ov th way we write we hav Brain Problemz

[impiouslyprincessez]

no lasting death may be inflicted upon th corpse-heiressez ov th imp nation、princess kittykat & princess jestress！！

[xenasaur]

oh no! elden ring lore creator i respect is saying some rather silly things!

[xenasaur]

i think that some people are being duped by unreliable narration but obviously that's quite hard to prove

[xenasaur]

like, in the intro, it shows mohg kidnapping miquella's child body from the cocoon and leaving said cocoon behind. but that's not what happened, is it? there's no cocoon husk left behind in the haligtree, and while i suppose theoretically it is possible that he just made a new cocoon when he got to mohgwyn dynasty mausoleum I feel that is kind of unlikely. we obviously have literally zero clue what was going on inside the cocoon, but typically if you destroy a cocoon mid-metamorphosis i think the caterpillar would be too dead to make a new one

[xenasaur]

I feel this way about the stuff that says the omen twins are part of the golden lineage. motherfucker i don't believe you!!! why does their naming scheme match all of the children of marika with herself? why are they cursed when marika's children with other partners usually result in non-cursed children? why did marika seemingly have godwyn, and then a bunch of kids with herself and rennala, and then one more time with Godfrey for good measure?

[impiouslyprincessez]

idk i think morgott's great rune is abt az explicit az it getz in termz ov confirming the twinz are godfreyz。plus hoarahz love for him ov course。honestly we think the intent with their namez iz that they don't match the "expected" format for demigod namez because they're not officially recognized demigods。i honestly suspect hoarah loux named them; imo mohg & morgott sound closer to "hoarah" in termz ov general phonetic structure than they do to melina/malenia/miquella/messmer; they may all start with M but none of the single-god children have those O & G sounds that define the omens names. morgott is also pretty heavily evocative of godfrey, and of course mohgwyn heavily evocative of godwyn。i dunno especially given that hoarah seemz to resent the godfrey persona i think it makez perfect sense he would forgo the god___ naming scheme for something more plain and vaguely guttural

also to me the phrasing "the first demigods were godfrey and his offspring" kinda implies that godfrey and at least one of his kidz with marika simultaneously became demigodz upon marikaz ascension so i would say like。empyrean messmer born illegitimately of radagon and marika and All Fucked Up -> marika takez godfrey az a non-selfcestuous consort and beginz the golden lineage -> ascendz to godhood and bestowz demigod status to godfrey and the golden lineage, wittholds it from messmer for now, createz shadow realm and punts the landz ov the hornsent into it -> karma eventually catchez up and the omen are born of marika and godfrey, necessitating a consort less tied to the crucible for future demigodz -> radagon marriez rennala to pacify one of the last remaining major powers and birth more demigodz -> two sonz and then Another goddamn empyrean, what's even the point in not doing selfcest then -> the crusade iz launched, rendering messmer & large amountz ov those loyal to rennala & godfrey irrelevant, reducing th backlash to th following stepz -> Le Epic Double Divorce -> marika and radagon marry and have the empyrean twins -> imo melina is after the shattering but u could honestly put her basically anywhere

[xenasaur]

I need to do more research into marika's silver lineage i don't know how much there really is in-lore but it feels so fucking important

[xenasaur]

I'm poking around more and there's like fucking nothing. ouuuugh this is gonna kill meeee

[impiouslyprincessez]

i honestly think thtz just completely cut content at this point。it seemz Overwhelmingly likely to me that the land of shadows role in marikaz backstory az a sealed away land of the dead full ov horn worshipperz and marikaz kin waz originally going to be filled by the base gamez underground, hence internal naming & the 1.0 version of the game referring to the eternal cities as marika ruins and their inhabitants as the empyrean family/descendants of marika, but by the final draft the Nox are added to the lore az a faction mooostly unrelated to marika aside from some interaction with their surface dwelling descendants. a detail that gets lost a bit in localization with the black knife assassinz iz that the japanese script usez th exact same verbiage for the black knives & the inhabitants of sellia being "scions of the eternal city" which, given selia iz Also known for invisible sorcerous assassinz, pretty heavily impliez tht the black knives marika had close ties to were from selia rather than the eternal cities proper.

and well the DLC pretty strongly associates the shaman with gold and barely touches upon silver at all so there's really not much room left for marika to be a silvergirl in the lore az we kno it。real "what could've been" moment though; kinda a shame that the parallel between marika's relationship to silver tears and miquellaz relationship to albinaurics had to be lost i think。probably the biggest casualty of the deemphasizing of silver in the final draft iz that miquella's lilies Used to be made of electrum & tbh a gold-silver alloy iz a really interesting symbolic metal for miquella, unalloyed gold never really made much sense to me thematically speaking for one who seekz to integrate everything

[xenasaur]

yeah honestly I could rlly see this being a case. it's so fucking tragic how much cut content there is missing from the game. though I will say, wrt unalloyed gold, I think that "the golden order" is made up of two parts: gold and order. gold seems to represent abundance and gentle kindness for the most part, and I think miquella's idea with making it unalloyed is something like "we need to get rid of the order that puts conditions on the bounty of gold" especially given that he developed it after abandoning fundamentalism

trying to parse cut content is difficult because it's hard to tell when something was cut for time vs when it was cut to change the lore

also, wrt to the black knife assassins being sellian, I think they may be specifically from the sellian quarter of leyndell. it's fascinated me for quite a while that there are buildings there which match the architecture of sellia.

that being said this may be a case where they just refuse to elaborate on the topic to keep an air of mystery. the black knife assassins have had the white hair of the shamans since the trailer for the game. I definitely think that's a fascinating connection. there's also the fact that the wandering mausoleums seem to share an architectural style with the eternal cities, and I could easily see those demigods being soulless and unwanted because they are of the silver lineage and thus are regarded as a mockery of life

[impiouslyprincessez]

my main issue with the silver lineage mausoleum demigod idea is that it leaves the golden lineage waaay too thin。it's not really much of a lineage if it's just like, godwyn, the omen twinz, godefroy, and godrick。i mean even just godrick being "a distant relation" to marika imo necessitates At Least Some additional generations of MIA golden lineage demigods。marika -> godwyn -> godefroy -> godrick would make him her great-grandchild which i wouldn't really describe az Distant personally。but golden lineage mausoleum demigodz could round it out nicely and make it feel more like the complex family tree it's implied to be and not just like, godwyn and his cringefail grafted descendants

[xenasaur]

first person to figure out the order of marika's children gets a billion smooches from me

[xenasaur]

okay. dhjfhrekfbrjfbdjvfj. so. my best guess as of right now is godwyn -> messmer -> melina -> ranni/radahn/rykard -> morgott/mohg -> malenia/miquella

if anybody has anything that contradicts this pls let me know

[impiouslyprincessez]

the japanese script specifies ranni is the youngest of the carian children & miquella is the older of the empyrean twins (ironically) but yea aside from tht we r given very little insight into birth order so it mostly lies in th realm of headcanom。tho just from a coding pov i would say rykard seems like the eldest carian sibling so i'd personally say messmer -> godwyn -> miscellaneous mausoleum demigods -> morgott & mohg -> rykard -> radahn -> ranni -> miquella -> malenia -> melina

[xenasaur]

ranni being the youngest was my theory, I think it is possible she just doesn't know about messmer and melina personally due to being born too late.

as for your timeline I cannot agree with melina being born last. I feel like it would be bizarre for marika's fire-cursed children to be born so far apart from each other. also, omens are a curse of the hornsent (they are not merely touched by the crucible like the misbegotten seem to be, they have horrible nightmares of what appear to be hornsent and can summon vengeful cursed spirits) so I imagine they were born after the crusade began which would place them after the carians since radahn knew messmer

[impiouslyprincessez]

personally i think the omen are more victimz of the hornsentz cursez than creationz ov them。the tanglehorn bairn establishez that the general phenomenon ov children born with an excessive amount ov hornz tht attract vengeful spiritz also occured among the hornsent。the primary distinction between tanglehorns and omen seemz to be that omen are haunted by not just any vengeful spiritz but specifically wraithz, vengeful spiritz who died while cursed。and in the wake ov the hornsentz many cursez against the people of the erdtree, quite a lot ov dead golden order sympathizerz are going to become wraithz and get attracted to the spirit-calling hornz of the omen, accounting for much ov their accursed torment. imo the hornsent nightmarez are a separate but thematically adjacent case of tangled hornz acting az antenna for Pissed Off spiritz

our primary issuez with trying to situate the omen az a post-crusade phenomenon is 1。omenkillerz participated in the crusade 2。godfrey had a personal attachment to morgott (cradling his body etc) and the crusade seems to have occured veeeery late into godfreys reign so the timeline seemz really tight for godfrey to develop a bond with morgott before his exile。but yeah u can argue them to pretty much any point pre-long march

melina similarly iz given very little to go on but given the way messmer's kindling emphasizes her status az the younger sibling of the two, her general Born Yesterday demeanor abt extremely basic facetz ov life like "having a mother," her general absence from pre-shattering history (if "GEQ is melina" theory haz 0 haterz we r gone from th earth) , and her earliest memoriez being of marika already within the erdtree, i'm inclined to think she waz created preeetty late in the game and i find the symmetry ov marikaz children being bookended by those with a vision of fire rlly satisfying。realistically tho yes u can put melina basically anywhere after messmer in birth order and it'll ultimately just be ur own headcanon vs someone elsez。earliest i'm willing to go personally iz melina being created around the same time az the long march when marika waz formulating her Big Tarnished Plot but personally i'm more inclined to her being the only post-shattering demigod

[maykitz]

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[violentoffender]

[nacht---hexe]

were in the cyberpunk 2077 universe and i get bottom surgery and it gives me Cyberpsychosis!!! and it just means i stay in my room and hum to myself

[littlesistem]

you have to love the little girl even when she's bad at responding. words are hard and she feels bad about it

[viviprotrudes]

I didn't have the language for it back then but I did mention to a transmasc person I knew that the "trans inclusive swim times" needed to be specifically stating that Trans Women and Transfems were overtly welcome because we so often exclude ourselves from trans spaces for fear of being perceived as predators (through the internalizing of systemic rejection of transfeminine people even within queer spaces) and they were very stunned and aghast because it put into context the refusal of 3 transfems they invited to the swim time and how there was only 1 transfem in the like 30 people that showed up and said transfem was the one that hadn't refused their invitation. I said this to them after their friend was asked to leave the "trans inclusive swim time" which obviously contributed to this sort of invisibilized yet evident dynamics description

They talked about it to the events organizers and said event organizers essentially told my acquaintance that "this is a space for people to feel safe, and that they will prioritize those who state feeling uncomfortable in the presence of others over said others" and their heart fucking sank and they made a stink about how this was horrifying twerf and bioessentialist rhetoric. They were banned from the "trans inclusive swim times" and so was their transfem friend. Not because they were transmasculine, but specifically because they were not okay with the fact that some fuckass twerf in an entire group was given so much power as to manage to exclude any and all transfems from the "trans inclusive swim times"

Idk. I'm tired. I'm sad. I'm hungry, and I'm thinking. I am too exhausted to be angry.

[c0ulrophilia]

imagine peering into another world and your hot older coworker calls you "princess" and you call her "mama" and and

srory i forgot where i was going with this

[c0ulrophilia]

awawawawawaawawawa

[xenasaur]

I need to do more research into marika's silver lineage i don't know how much there really is in-lore but it feels so fucking important

[xenasaur]

I'm poking around more and there's like fucking nothing. ouuuugh this is gonna kill meeee

[impiouslyprincessez]

i honestly think thtz just completely cut content at this point。it seemz Overwhelmingly likely to me that the land of shadows role in marikaz backstory az a sealed away land of the dead full ov horn worshipperz and marikaz kin waz originally going to be filled by the base gamez underground, hence internal naming & the 1.0 version of the game referring to the eternal cities as marika ruins and their inhabitants as the empyrean family/descendants of marika, but by the final draft the Nox are added to the lore az a faction mooostly unrelated to marika aside from some interaction with their surface dwelling descendants. a detail that gets lost a bit in localization with the black knife assassinz iz that the japanese script usez th exact same verbiage for the black knives & the inhabitants of sellia being "scions of the eternal city" which, given selia iz Also known for invisible sorcerous assassinz, pretty heavily impliez tht the black knives marika had close ties to were from selia rather than the eternal cities proper.

and well the DLC pretty strongly associates the shaman with gold and barely touches upon silver at all so there's really not much room left for marika to be a silvergirl in the lore az we kno it。real "what could've been" moment though; kinda a shame that the parallel between marika's relationship to silver tears and miquellaz relationship to albinaurics had to be lost i think。probably the biggest casualty of the deemphasizing of silver in the final draft iz that miquella's lilies Used to be made of electrum & tbh a gold-silver alloy iz a really interesting symbolic metal for miquella, unalloyed gold never really made much sense to me thematically speaking for one who seekz to integrate everything

[xenasaur]

elden ring timeline keeping me up at night

[xenasaur]

when the fuck did the crusade happen. I originally thought it was like shaman village massacre -> marika ascends and begins the crusade -> events of elden ring but that is seemingly NOT the case. apparently messmer and radahn knew each other so the crusade happened well after the conquest of the lands between began. so did marika for real just let her home village get wiped out on her watch while she was god? maybe that's why she's so mad.

[ainelane]

I'd say the crusade had to have happen when ever the serpent inside of messmer began to get strong enough that marika had to seal it away behind his eye of grace. So like I'd put it about between the time radhan finished his training in selia (since giaus also seems specialized in gravity magic arbitrary i know but it's the most i can grasp onto) but before radhan stopped the movement of the sky

[xenasaur]

this checks out to me, but at the same time that raises so many questions. like, why do the hornsent hate marika so much? if it is truly the crusade, why did they massacre the shaman village? I cannot imagine the construction of all those gaols took place after the crusade had already begun. I've seen a theory that the jars were an attempt to create a sort of artificial crucible to challenge marika's power (there is actually spots of pure gold on their models so it seems to be kind of working?) so I guess that's tentatively my theory for why the hornsent did that shit and thus why marika started crusading. but sheesh this stuff is hard to pick apart.

[impiouslyprincessez]

main datapoint for locating the crusade tinelinewise is that rennala gave rellana her blessing to join radagonz son in the crusade which places it squarely in the era after radagon & rennala had married and squashed the carian-golden order feud but before th divorce and radagon becoming lord due to rennala being coherent enough to willingly send away her sister。also trackz with messmer knowing radahn personally。this'd also put it somewhere near the long march, and given the heavy usage of godfrey/crucible knight fighting styles in messmers forcez another potential utility for the crusade iz sending away th more undesirable elementz ov those loyal to godfrey so that only the "best of the best" from marika's pov will join godfrey and become tarnished

imo, in light ov all the talk ov gold & shadow emerging simultaneously in the story trailer, marika created the erdtree & the scadutree at th same time which veiled the land of shadows and allowed her to focus her effortz on conquering the lands between, only launching th crusade after liurnia had been brought to heel and she no longer had any significant riskz。so for however many hundredz ov yearz between marikaz ascension and the end ov the liurnian war the hornsent were living in the sealed realm of shadow, likely assuming th veiling itself waz marikaz punishment for the treatment ov th shaman, with most ov th actual perpetratorz long dead from old age before th crusade began。hence why most hornsent seem to have No clue wht marika iz even so upset over

[xenasaur]

first person to figure out the order of marika's children gets a billion smooches from me

[xenasaur]

okay. dhjfhrekfbrjfbdjvfj. so. my best guess as of right now is godwyn -> messmer -> melina -> ranni/radahn/rykard -> morgott/mohg -> malenia/miquella

if anybody has anything that contradicts this pls let me know

[impiouslyprincessez]

the japanese script specifies ranni is the youngest of the carian children & miquella is the older of the empyrean twins (ironically) but yea aside from tht we r given very little insight into birth order so it mostly lies in th realm of headcanom。tho just from a coding pov i would say rykard seems like the eldest carian sibling so i'd personally say messmer -> godwyn -> miscellaneous mausoleum demigods -> morgott & mohg -> rykard -> radahn -> ranni -> miquella -> malenia -> melina

[cutecipher]

what the, op must have been a cute and delightful princess when she wrote this

[pigswithwings]

If you don't feel interested in romance, don't often have crushes, or dislike the idea of romance in general, I have news for you: Rare Sierra Nevada Red Fox Spotted In Southern Sierra Area For First Time In Nearly A Century

[hellyesbro]

It really is crazy the way anybody ever managed to push the idea that there is a real, tangible "transmasc erasure". If you look up books, comics, movies, plays, etc. starring a trans protagonist pretty much every single time they are going to be trans masc or TME nonbinary. You have some notable exceptions like Nevada, or Detransition Baby, but pretty much every one of those is going to be BY a transfem author telling our own stories. But they will swear that transmascs are being erased in media compared to trans women so you will go through a list of the top 50 trans books and top 10 trans films for pride and the top 8 queer comic lists and they will pretty much all be about a transmasc experience and you will be like. okay so I reviewed 60 pieces of media and 5 of them were interested in representing trans women and the rest were transmasc or TME nb what do you mean by erasure and they will look you in the eye and say with a full chest "I am jealous that you guys get more blood libel than us"

[synthalest]

ten thousand years infinite income every disabled girl 1 billion dollars a year