#pam manson

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Let's talk about Sam's parents and their relationship with Sam because, just wow, it gives quite a lot of context to Sam's character. I'm going to analyse the episode ¨Control Freaks¨ since that is the episode we get to see the most of Sam's family and her relationship with them.

Okay, so, at the start of the episode we have Pam suggesting to Sam to wear a different type of dress- one that is pink with flowers- that resembles the way Pam and Jeremy usually look. They both have more colorful clothes and are more chirpy.

There doesn't seem to be any exactly harmful in this scene- it is Pam just suggesting to Sam to wear something different, she isn't exactly ordering her. However, based on other things they do later in the episode, it wouldn't surprise me that they ¨force¨ these things on Sam, from things she should like to her fashion. Meaning we are already seeing some... questionable aspects of the Mansons parenting.

Danny later shows up in the Manson's house bringing a ¨anti-social¨ music cassette/CD for Sam and Pam and Jeremy look at Danny this way.

Throughout the episode they show their clear disapproval of Danny hanging out with Sam. They see Danny as a ¨bad influence¨ to their own daughter even though is Sam the one who suggested to skip school to see the circus.

They clearly don't like the Fentons, something i can't fully blame them because Jack and Maddie can leave a mess wherever they go to and usually end up shooting the Mansons when they are nearby. But just because they dislike the Fentons, they don't want Sam to be meeting with Danny, not caring how that makes Sam feel.

Like i want to believe this part of the series humor but they go so far to filling a restraining order for Danny to not get near Sam. Just trying to impose certain fashion and likes on Sam wasn't enough, they want to control who she can and can't meet up with.

If they weren't giving wrong vibes already, then lets talk about that ¨anti-goth protest¨ they organized in front of the circus to ¨protect the children¨ that shows up during most of the episode.

I don't know, but they give me the impression of those parents that would try to censor certain type of music or videogames because they are ¨ruining¨ the children. And from what it is implied, this isn't the first time they have organized these type of protests, so it could be assumed they could have done more extreme things in the past.

Honestly, i'm not sure how Pam and Jeremy turned out like this, because Ida is a lot nicer and open minded than they are. In fact, at some point of the episode she shows Sam that she was like her when she was around her age and lets her sneak out to look for Danny.

On last point, one thing i found quite messed up is how at the end of the episode they force Sam to wear that pink dress that Pam suggested her at the start with the condition that she could see Danny again if she did.

Things like these makes me wonder if they usually impose Sam to act and be feminine since she acts differently in contrast to how other girls of her age usually do. There isn't much indication of this, but based on what i have seen so far, i wouldn't rule it out.

Now, look, in spite of everything i'm not sure if i would call Sam's parents downright abusive- they were right about getting mad at Sam for skipping school among other things- but they still come off as controlling and they take things to the extreme. It isn't right for them to forbid Sam for meeting with some of the few friends she has nor force on her how identity and likes should be.

Sam has a lot of issues as character for not changing and having a proper arc, but i can't fully blame her for the way she often acts in the show because, with her parents being like this, i can understand why she would hate authority or show a dislike ¨girl stuff¨. Honestly, i'm surprised that she is okay as a person, since she could turned out a lot worse.

[briarruler]

I've seen (and loved) fics were Team Phantom band together and go on the run from the Guys in White. I don't think I've seen a fic were the families of Team Phantom band together and go on the run from the Guys in White.

Imagine it. The kids vanish and the next day the Guys in White are showing up at the door and bundling the parents into vans. The plan was to use them as hostages against their kids. They made three mistakes:

They threatened to harm them.

They promised to harm their children.

They put them together.

The Fentons, the Foleys and the Mansons promptly team up and escape. After that it's Team Parent vs the Government.

Optional characters include:

Ida Manson, assuming that the Guys in White didn't overlook her.

Jazz Fenton, if she isn't already on the run with Team Phantom.

Damon Gray, if Valerie is on the run with Team Phantom.

Their goals may vary depending on how much information they have (and what Team Phantom is up to) but includes at least some of the following:

Evading the Guys in White.

Finding their children.

Dismantling the Guys in White.

Figuring out what is going on with their children.

Leaving the country.

Protecting their children.

Getting the Federal Anti-Ecto Control Act revoked.

Although the real challenge might be cooperating long enough to succeed.

[tomboy014]

It seems like a lot of the DP/DC crossovers I’ve seen have Danny either secretly related to Bruce or Damian or Dick, and if he’s not directly related to one of them, Bats is at the ready with adoption papers.  But if it’s a fic where anyone is related, it’s one of the bats related to Danny, but I think there’s a better candidate.  May I present for the Phandom’s consideration:

Sam Manson.

Hear me out!

Bruce and Sam have a lot in common.  They both

Have black hair

Have eyes in the same color family (Bruce and Sam’s parents are blue, Sam’s are purple)

Are both goth

Come from inherited, generational wealth

Are Jewish

Are intelligent and athletic

Will aggressively fight for causes and the change they want to see

And of course, they both fight superpowered entities that should be beyond their capabilities to handle as normal humans.

The timing also works out for Martha and Ida to be sisters.  Out of ease, the kids use the titles of Aunt and Uncle for Bruce, Pamela and Jeremy even though they’re actually cousins. They don’t really see each other that often, mostly for holidays and big events like graduations or Sam’s bat mitzvah. Every so often, they all get together for more formal galas and charity events.

Plus, it makes it so much funnier if these are the “cousins” Sam refuses to babysit.  Can you blame her?  Would you want to be in charge of keeping Tim and Damian from killing each other?  Plus, the interactions between them and the way they relate would be great!

Bruce (43), Dick (26), Jason (21), Cass (19), Steph and Tim (18), Duke (15-16?), Damian (10), Sam (14)

Dick:  Is the perky ball of sunshine Pamela wishes Sam could be, and she get compared to him a lot.  Sam can’t stand him.  Dick has never seen Sam when her mother isn’t around, so his impression of her is she’s moody and surly.  Doesn’t like being in the middle of their fights or getting his cheeks pinched by Pam every time he comes over.

Jason:  Pamela can’t stand him.  Due to whatever cover story they made up to cover up Jason’s death and return, Pamela is now convinced that he’s some delinquent who’ll wind up a criminal (she’s not entirely wrong?).  Such a shame since he was so sweet as a kid.  His death is what started Sam’s interest in the occult.  Sam’s favorite cousin.  She loves that he’s actually a giant dork and bookworm behind the cool, tough-guy façade.  He keeps Sam well supplied in combat boots.  If they both disappear at a function in Amity Park, they’re probably hanging out at the Skulk n Lurk. 

Tim:  Another problem child according to Pam.  He’s the one who introduced Sam to videogames and Doomed.  Tim changed the Manson’s home theater set-up so they can play videogames on the big screen whenever the Wayne’s come over.  Will go out of his way to piss Pamela off.

Steph and Cass:  Steph doesn’t always come over when the rest of the Wayne’s do, but when she does, she sticks to Cass.  Big sister vibes from them both, scarily insightful, and good listeners.  They’re cool.

Damian:  They have the most shared interests, so you’d think they’d get along, but neither can stand the others’ attitude.  It’s a case of like repelling like.  Sam helped him figure out what kind of vegetarian he wanted to be and gave him a bunch of her favorite recipes.  If the two of them disappear while at Wayne Manor, you can usually find them hanging out with Batcow.

Duke:  The newest addition to the family, Sam is aware of him, but they haven’t met yet.

Part 2

[mahimahi713]

I was watching Mamma Mia today and the scene with the song “Slipping through my fingers” made me think of Sam and her mom. Like most of the time, we really don’t see Sam being close to her mom.

But then hearing this song made me think of how Pamela might feel about Sam and her being rebellious. She sees Sam pushing away from her, not wanting to be anything like her, going and spending time with Danny and Tucker.

I do think Pamela loves Sam. She did get her that purple and black dress that Sam was more than happy to wear, even if she wouldn’t admit it (though considering there was a scene in an episode where Sam dyed a pink dress she got her black, it’s possible that Sam also altered this but whatever). Her and Jeremy hired a team of doctors and nurses to look after her when she got sick.

And I just think this song probably sums how she feels. Even if a lot of it is Sam pushing her away because of how she is.

I think she could have a moment where she realizes she needs to do a little better and meet Sam in the middle

[imekitty]

Omg that Pam and Danny fic sounds like it has so much angst potential ... could you maybe give a tiny peek at what one of the reasons she dislikes him could be? 👀

Lol, I can't just give one...

A few reasons would be out of Danny's control. She doesn't like that his parents are ghost researchers because she thinks it's Danny's fault Sam has such an interest in the occult. Like I imagine Sam was probably more "girly" and "normal" in Pam's eyes until the day she met Danny and then she became more goth, so Pam of course blames that on Danny.

And I imagine that she's aware Sam has a crush on Danny and Pam just doesn't like that at all. She thinks Danny is beneath their family and Sam could and should have higher standards than that.

As for why she thinks Danny is beneath their family, he gets bad grades, is on the lazy side, and has what she probably thinks is childish/immature aspirations (i.e., wanting to become an astronaut).

She sees Danny as a troublemaker and a bad influence, but she also recognizes that he's handsome and so of course Sam is attracted to him and Pam just can't stand that she has no control over who Sam might date.

[4rainynite]

Danny Phantom Neutrals Headcanons

This headcanon is gonna be about the many characters from the series Danny Phantom and see what their relationship with Team Phantom would be in the series ranging from: ally, neutral, and enemy. Now, it's time for the neutrals, Enjoy. Allies here!

P.S. This strangely took longer than the last one!

Warning : Some character explanations will be super long, mentions of death, and other things rated PG-13.

Neutrals:

Jeremy and Pamala Manson - We all know Sam's parents think the Fentons are dangerous and bad examples. As much as they don't like Danny when they find out he's Phantom and the reason why is because of his parents Ghost Portal they would get in contact with child services immediately, Only for Team Phantom to come in Danny's defense and Sam revealing her role in Danny's transformation. Knowing they can't reveal Danny out of the fear of Danny being experimented on and Sam's reputation would be destroyed they decide to go silent, but Jack and Maddie are on thin ice seeing their son being half-ghost is their fault. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they tried to make Sam be friends with the A-listers or make her date Dash or Gregor/Elliot to distance her interaction with Danny. With them being rich they might have interaction with Vlad even becoming friends with him, who would make Sam miserable. But once they find out that the A-listers are a group of bullies, Dash being the leader and that one party where some of the guest up as their daughter, Tucker, and Danny as 'losers', Elliot/Gregor was a fake, and Vlad is half-ghost and has been tormenting the Fentons the alliance is broken. Even though the Mansons are killjoy elitist their main goal is safety and as much as they dislike the Fentons they draw the line at bullying and everything Vlad has done. Over time, now knowing Danny's secret and Maddie and Jack ease up on property damage their dislike becomes neutral, when Danny and Sam finally start dating they'll accept, but wish their dates were a safe trip for ice cream instead of ghost fighting.

A-Lister (Mainly Dash, Paulia, Kwan, and Star) - The only time the A-Lister interact with the trio is to bully them, so I doubt they'll become allies with each other. During, 'Reality Trip' when Danny was exposed and needed to leave the school his classmates were the ones to get him out. Showing that after everything Danny has done for them, they will return the favor. I can see Dash still being a jerk to them (mainly Danny), during sophmore year Danny gains muscles due to ghost fighting and is so untouchable Dash fears being beaten by him so he ignores the young Fenton. Dash still worships Phantom so he somewhat follows Phantom's morals and eases up on the bullying. The two will never be friends and both are fine with that. The rivalry between Sam and Paulina end in neutrally as well. We know Paulina is a daddy's girl mentioning and seeing him multiply times in the series, but never her mother. My headcanon is Paulina's mother is a stage mom and points out Paulina's mole as a flaw or just isn't around. Heck, she's probably one of the reasons Paulina is so fixated on looking good 24/7. I can see Mrs. Manson try to arrange a playdate between Sam and Paulina revealing Sam is rich. Sure, Paulina could blackmail Sam, but if word got out the goth geek was richer than her, Paulina's popularity would crumble so she keeps quiet. During the playdate Sam sees how pushy Paulina's mother and why Paulina is so shallow. The two girls agree that their mothers are annoying and to keep the other's secret. I see Sam and Paulina dynamic similar to Mandy and Mindy from 'The Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy' and after the 'Wraith of the Spider Queen' both girls agreed that hangout wasn't bad, but being friends with neither girls cup of tea. Kwan seems nice and only bullies due to peer pressure and to not lose his spot with the A-listers, which is still no excuse. Kwan spent the most time with Sam and Tucker so he probably gain a soft spot for them. Over time Kwan stops bullying and even tells his fella A-listers to knock it off even if it means he getting ban. Seeing that he's some type of scientist or just has a good job in the future he probably stopped hanging with the A-listers. Star doesn't care for the trio and the only reason they interact is because of Dash, Paulina, and Kwan (I don't know if she's still friends with Valerine). Once, Sam's secret of being rich is exposed the A-listers would try to make her join which she refuses. At first they try to blackmail her or something and Sam reveals she's not just rich she's old money rich and most of their parents work for her family. Now realizing the girl they used to bully and her friends could rat them out at any second they avoid her like the plague. Over time Team Phantom while overshadow the A-listers before senior year. I can see once they get older all the A-listers having a falling out with only Dash, Paulina, Kwan, and Star still remaining friends.

Youngblood- Just a brat trying to have fun. In one of the Nicktoons comics Danny ended up babysitting him, and he probably still does. Over time the two bond (maybe about space stuff due to his astronaut costume). He still causes problems for Team Phantom, but he won't enslave the adults or anything serious. I also see him and Dani becoming close friends.

Ember - We all know Ember's story - unpopular girl who dreams of being a rockstar gets asked out by a boy to see a movie. She waits for him all night at the movies only to realize she's been tricked. Once she makes it home a fire starts and she's too unconscious to wake up and dies. Once, a ghost and escapes the Ghost Zone she becomes what she couldn't be in life - a star! One day Team Phantom gets a report of a ghost attack outside Amity Park and investigate it. The ghost attack is happening during a class reunion and the ghost haunting the place is Ember. They do their resource and find out how Ember died and try to convince Ember not to kill the man responsible for her death. Only, to find out the guy who tricked her all those years ago is a slob, a loser, and owes a lot of child support, so Ember let's him live to continue his horrid life (like Katara did in that episode when she confronted her mother's killer). Ember feels depressed seeing that she spent years planning her revenge for nothing and wondering if she really wanted world domination in the first place. Team Phantom remind her she has a huge fanbase in both the human and ghost world so that encourages her to focus more on her music. In time she will join Team Phantom, but for now she is focusing on herself.

Freakshow's Ghosts - Unlike Lydia they didn't have a choice being under Freakshow's control and they seem more neutral than evil to me.

Ghost Writer- He'll never forgive Danny for what he did with his first book but seeing how his second book is better he'll let Team Phantom use his library for information.

Desiree - I can see Team Phantom pulling an 'Aladdin' on her and setting her free. She can still grant wishes and now her own, but she'll probably just go off to find herself or something.

Dairy King - He did help Danny escape Vlad and Skulker's trap thingy, but he didn't help with the fight. I honestly think he passes on after 'Bitter Reunions' because that's the only way Vlad got away with all the crazy crud he's done.

Ghost from the Ghost Zone- Let's face Danny has saved both the Human and Ghost world a dozen times so the residents of the Ghost zone either love, neutral, or hate Team Phantom. For the hate part it's for Team Phantom's enemies like Skulker, Spectra, and others who wish harm. The neutral part is for those who don't believe the Halfa exist, in the Ghost Zone Danny Phantom is an urban legend. For those who love Team Phantom is because they helped the ghost or put ghosts in a positive light.

[katlimeart]

Made in 2017

If you’ve seen this anywhere else, I posted it back on my deviantArt when it was made.

Mario girls cosplaying as characters from Danny Phantom - requested by moon-shadow-1985

1- 3. Sam Manson

4. Nightmerica

5. Terminatra

6. Vid

7. Desiree

8. Maddie Fenton

9. Pam Manson

10. Pandora

[they-bite]

what is Jeremy's and Pam's personality like in EP? and what about their dynamic with Sam?

important to note: sam is adopted.

The Mansons are kind of representative of almost every other adult in the project. They care for their kids, but they’re too oblivious and set in their ways to actually help them most of the time. And they have no idea what they’re up against.

They love Sam very much, but they believe her moodiness (and, by extension, everything goth culture-related) is caused by some nebulous failure on their part. They tend to lovebomb her and create constant opportunities for quality time. Sam interprets them as pushy and unable to accept anything outside their own (admittedly pretty small) comfort zone as a result.

If someone sat Jeremy and Pam down and told them that Sam’s interests harmless, and that there isn’t a different girl waiting for them under all the black clothes and eyeliner, they’d ultimately accept it. But they’re not there yet.