#pro el hopper

[theduchesswrites]

Okay, someone needs to say the following, so I will:

Saying that Mike never actually loved El is saying that the most meaningful relationship in a lifelong abuse victim's life was a lie.

Saying that Mike only loved El's powers is fucked. It perpetuates the idea that an abuse victim is unlovable.

Saying that Mike was attracted to El when he first met her because her short hair made him think she was a boy is wildly misogynistic and sounds like what predatory straight men tell WLW.

Saying that Mike is an emotionally abusive boyfriend who would be redeemed if he dated the "right" person trivializes abuse and implies that El is somehow deserving of poor treatment. (In case it's not obvious, Mike is absolutely not an abusive boyfriend. He and Lucas make for the best boyfriends on the show!)

[purpleangelsele]

Also I’m not calling El, Jane….

If you want to that’s fine. However, why be mad when everyone calls her El? She never expressed distaste for being referred to as El or Eleven.

The season 3 scene with Billy is not talked about enough. Billy is like “sorry I didn’t quite catch your name.” And then she turns her head and gives a cold line “El.”

Like that name is something she reclaimed. It’s also why Dustin yelled out ELEVEN instead of Jane when she’s faking her death,(and yes she’s fucking alive don’t even argue).

Legally her name is Jane Hopper. But at her core, she is El. Everyone who loves her calls her El/Eleven.

Kali calls her Jane because of her own trauma with the lab number assigned to her. She didn’t reclaim it the same way El did, ( that’s my theory anyways).

[friedobservationdeer]

Male centered Final Boss

It’s been a while since I’ve posted about stranger things but things like this are exactly why I hate this fandom

Like wdym Will replacing El would make the story better? Just admit you hate women.

That’s the thing with Will fans, always “if” and never “is” 😒

[opaliteskye]

From the very beginning, the show sets up the main conflict with the Upside Down forces (Mind Flayer, Demogorgons, etc.) against El. She's the one who opens the gate. She's the one in season two who has to close it. She's the one in season three who the Mind Flayer is coming after. Flayed!Billy specifically says, "We built this for you." Then in season four when they add in Vecna, they give all the backstory and connection to him to El, and the big final fight is mainly between the two of them. Because she's the main character and always has been.

But this season, since they decided to sideline El, the focus is now on Will and his connection to Vecna, just like the focus is on him and his powers.

I still can't believe the writers thought, "Hmm, I know we've made this girl the main character for FOUR WHOLE SEASONS, but let's shove her aside and barely spend any time giving her anything, barely give her any interactions with her boyfriend, only let her really spend time around her dad repeating conversations and give her a TINY bit with two other characters, one of whom is her sister, but instead of them reconnecting and forging a relationship, said sister wants them to kill themselves, and let's ignore all of the stuff we did last season with expanding her powers and all of her training over the last eighteen months and make it so she struggles to lift a truck, something she was doing back in season one, and let's ALSO ignore how Max is one of the people she's closest to, someone who played a big role in her story, someone she BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE, in favour of actually making Max besties with Will. Because he's suddenly the main character now who Vecna is seeking out, who gets to go against Vecna and explore his powers, despite him being almost a secondary character for most of the show. That's a great idea! Let's shove the main female character aside for this guy who spent half the show as a plot device and the other half lurking in the background."

We can talk all day about the other issues with the season (pacing, stuff needing to be cut down, focusing too much on Holly, neglecting other main characters and dynamics, etc.), but the biggest problem starts with the decision to bump El down and give Will her place.

[mandyluvspuppies]

No one loves s1 Elmike more than me those are my babies

[talkedfor10459]

Also, it really pissed me off that in the epilogue Mike is the only one who’s clearly grieving El. It felt way too similar to season one, damn it. Back then, the other characters hadn’t fully bonded with her yet, so her death didn’t hit them as hard, and Mike was the only one truly devastated.

But that logic just doesn’t work in season five. By now, they’re all one family — Joyce, Will, Jonathan, Jim, and the party.

Honestly, it would’ve been better if Mike didn’t cling to the hope that El was still alive, if he let her go and moved on the same way the others did. As it is, it creates this uncomfortable feeling that she only ever truly mattered to him.

[firstkurdonearth]

I'm glad that the Duffers didn't go with their ending where Moid was married to El. I'm sure they would have made her have the Incel King's baby, and that poor child would have gotten all of Moid's genes and none of El's. El would be stuck raising her goblin manchild of a husband and a goblin baby that looked just like him.

#INCELWHEELER

[jonathanbyers-lawyer]

If your least favorite character is Will, Jonathan, Mike, El, or Lucas in all of stranger things then this show is not for you at all.