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Am I the only one who finds this extremely funny

#Tolkien really felt the need to say ok I know I named these guys the wise ones but they’re actually dumb as shit #as if we didn’t just read an entire book about how unsound their judgement is #the silmarillion #The Noldor #house of finwe #fëanor #fingolfin #finarfin #silmarillion #silmposting #lord of the rings #lotr

"Two kings" ☺ My graphics.

My Instagram: artist_fantasyetc, I'm more active there🙏

My beloved Findekano and Maitimo😱😣😍

I imagined the scene which never happened: if only they could win in Nirnaeth Arnoediad and take their helmets off and put the crowns on... and shake hands as a winners...

🥺😩 it never happened...

(i'm crazy about Fingon's braids, you should know this 🤣🙈)

Fingon is the High King... with bigger crown😁 and Maedhros's crown is like a flames😌

(and this is not a sword but a dagger in front, cause Fingon is right-handed most likely right?.. So, the sword is on the other side)

Who's where and I'm going to draw

Dear tolkonists, can you guess what the scene?

It is our beloved Feanor who incites his brothers and sons to rebel. I admit, the idea is not completely mine, I found a reference on the Internet. However, not everything here corresponds to the canon ... I missed the fact that the sky should be dark, because Morgoth had already stolen the Silmarils and, together with Ungoliath, destroyed the Valinor trees

The silm fandom is so funny yall will literally try to draw moral equivalencies between a character who was kinda mean to ur blorbo and literal war criminals lmao.

Like the list of grievances against Thingol is:

- kinda arrogant

- didn’t give the fancy gem back to the ppl who murdered his brother’s people

- Banned the language of said murderers bc there is literally no policy precedent for this kinda thing since mass murder hadn’t existed up until now.

- Didn’t want his only child to marry a mortal man and risk never seeing her again. (He got over it btw)

And then the ppl they’re saying he’s just as bad if not worse than have:

-committed not one, not two, but THREE kinslayings

-had a secret city where you’ll be killed if you wanna leave.

-literally attacked a refugee camp

Like am I missing something here?? Thingol’s greatest sin is that he’s arrogant and kinda haughty, no shit Sherlock he’s a king and managed to rizz a goddess, I’d think I’m the shit too but last I checked he didn’t kill anyone.

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"our most beloved star" is such a fun way to say "that rock my relatives killed a lot of people over that's in the sky now"

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considering elven patronymic/matronymic/linking-to-kinfolk-as-identity culture in terms of social power. (although well of course to a degree, misogyny is involved, especially from the out-of-universe perspective.) most of finwe's descendants gave lots of their children fin- names, and also added fin- to their names as a clear power move by highlighting their relation to the high king of the noldor. notable exception here though is feanor, who seemed to also have gone by "son of the broideress" [presumably therindion]. this of course signals devotion to miriel, but we don't really see any of indis' children go to these lengths around her name despite what love they may bear for her. (you could potentially count findis, but that was a given name. everything else would be headcanon.)

and sure, feanor is among the few who have such strong name associations to their mother, but he is not the only one: the line of "melian" is often how many of thingol's descendants are denoted. (for luthien onwards this is complicated by the entrance of mortal traditions therefore dior is luthien's son to elves but like. beren's son to men. etc.) earendil is tuor's son but also idril's. but celebrian is the daughter of celeborn in lotr. nevertheless arwen is repeatedly connected to luthien but referred to as elrond's daughter. so why does indis not really get that? or what do miriel and melian and luthien and idril have in common that makes them so different from many of the other mothers of elves in the text that their descendants would still be taking their names?

i'd say it's that, speaking in-universe, they have social and cultural power (and also literal power) that might in some way supersede whatever power is held by their parent/spouse/children/etc. to take miriel's name is feanor connecting himself to her not as queen of the noldor but as the broideress, an identity independent of her role as queen and her marriage to finwe. (also perhaps particularly resonant to craftspeople, of whom he was one.) same for luthien, melian and idril's deeds, all of which make them notable and powerful connections for someone to be related to.

(galadriel is an interesting case here in that after a quick scan of lotr, celebrian is referred to as celeborn's daughter rather than galadriel's, despite the fact that she has very many (more) memorable deeds to her name than her husband. one might consider that most of the elves under celeborn and galadriel don't seem to be noldor or even amanyar, and celebrian is presented mostly as sindarin, making the connection with celeborn more prominent.)

it's also noticeable that some elves (eg. galadriel again actually) don't get named about their parents often but by their titles (lady of lothlorien etc), and sometimes by spouse or other relations if they are somewhere similar on social power (eg. galadriel is often called the wife of celeborn, and in fact the sister of finrod rather than given a patronymic/matronymic in lotr (somewhere in the appendices)).

this i think can set up a fairly clear sense of claiming oneself as kin of someone else in elven cultures as linked to/drawing on the relation's social power. so perhaps you won't call yourself the child of your "less prominent" parent, or the relation of any of your parents/of your siblings if you're one of the most prominent people in your line. or perhaps you can't, in the sense of acceptability: maybe arwen could not call herself the daughter of celebrian when elrond was right there and so much more renowned, or galadriel could not call herself the daughter of finarfin or earwen because everyone would have to stop and think about who that even was, and it would be considered in some way a hit to her own power ('oh she doesn't talk about herself on her own merit but on that of her way less famous parents? weird' etc).

but then one could also look at this as a way of conferring power onto the person being linked back to. for instance if indis' children were hypothetically to refer to themselves as "children of indis" in some or other manner, it might increase/improve her social and cultural power because the children of finwe would show themselves to consider her important/powerful enough to name as a parent above the high king of the noldor himself. (an interesting headcanon line to explore tbh.) which in a way makes "son of the broideress" a power move as an address (this is feanor i mean of course), because it keeps miriel's social capital alive beyond her death in a way which links neither to the death itself nor to her position as finwe's wife. similar for idril, melian and luthien after their respective departures from the world. anyway much to consider.

#i think well. this is something that doesn't necessarily apply all the time but could definitely hold true/be made to in headcanon #meta #<- i guess.#elves #the silmarillion #silm #lotr #<- there's enough of it to count #legendarium tag #and it was not void #the noldor #the sindar #(<- not tagging them all there's too many <3)#and then like. for the noldor to an extent the choosing of name factors too. sons of feanor but 6/7 take the mother-name #nolofinwions more or less only go for father-names. arafinwions are a mixed bag #interesting to note that all the finwions except feanor (and maybe lalwen? i like to think so it's better than irime) take father-names #as ever noldor making things more complicated. they'd be down for this kind of thing all the time imo #beating out all other elves in politicising language......although. take this with a grain of salt (i'm not a numenor knower)#but the numenoreans might actually have them beat. late period anyway #they're not elves of course but. still

"A grief but lulled to sleep lies between the princes of the Noldor." Wow. Sounds like a lot of traumatic anger and stress really bottled up in that war to the north. Did we ever think of maybe giving them a break before sending them off to make desperate war on Morgoth? No? We just enabled them at every opportunity? Okay then. Sounds like we should take some accountability for that... oh we'll blame Fëanor for that? I guess that works. He did lead them all to the kinslaying... something the rest of us Noldor definitely had no part in enabling or aiding or abetting. I'm sure it was entirely and exclusively Fëanor and his sons that made that happen.

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What popular Silmarillion Feanor Fanon take bothers you the most?

Feanor was "playing the victim" by not accepting Indis/her kids as his family.

Feanor bullied his step siblings and acted awful to Indis.

Feanor thought that the Noldor were superior to all other Elves.

Feanor was the only one causing strife in Aman after Melkor's release.

Feanor forced/coerced/manipulated his sons into taking the Oath.

Feanor always hated the Valar even prior to Melkor's release.

Feanor only cared about the Silmarils and not about avenging Finwe.

The loyalty of his sons implies that he was emotionally abusive to them.

Feanor led the First Kinslaying as a premeditated attack against the Teleri.

Feanor was the only elf who really wanted to leave Aman.

Feanor had no reason to distrust Fingolfin & his followers after the Kinslaying.

Other or multiple of these (explain in tags)

Voting ended onNov 8, 2024

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