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“4chan was just another website” discourse just gets funnier in retrospect.
Yes the website that put /pol/ online the same day moot met Epstein and Epstein talked fondly about in his emails for its potential in manipulating public discourse towards his eugenicist racist point of view, was THE hub for Hitlerite mass shooters to be praised for attacks on the public, and was used by his networks to spread Pizzagate/QAnon conspiracies to detract from their own crimes was “just any other website.”
So, the transfeminist party line on isff seems to have shaken out roughly thus:
1.) isff/suggestrogen was wrong for supporting "pedophile liberation" because pedophilia doesn't actually exist, and so she was therefore reifying the sexological paraphilia framework which posits "the pedophile" as an already-existing pre-discursive object. This is bad, because... whatever, it doesn't really matter. Here is where they make a big segue into antipsych/youth liberation talking points, and I just don't care.
2.) this was the only thing she did wrong, everything else she said was fine (or let's not talk about it, OR you're lying about what she said).
3.) ergo, the backlash to isff was yet another transmisogynist hate campaign based on nothing, where prudish sexual conservatives unfairly pedojacketed an innocent kinky transfem.
This is, to put it mildly, total bullshit, for a number of reasons. First, the idea that what people ought to object to is that isff believes pedophiles "exist" is just. I mean, come on. It is possible to be too far up your own ass when it comes to theory! Who cares about the "sexological framework;" we are talking about the obviously real phenomenon of adults who find children sexually attractive, and whether or not I'm somehow a transmisogynist because I'm repulsed by that. Sure, in a carefully negotiated kink scene, it's... fine... to explore these desires, but this ain't that. I'm involved! I'm being lectured about the content of my politics not being hospitable enough to people who are aroused by pre-pubescent children! "Pedophile liberation" is being proposed as a political strategy! This ain't that!
I find it so deeply disappointing that women I respected (and at least one former mutual) are doing this wagon-circling maneuver. It sucks, it's intellectually dishonest, and it's borderline deceptive. We can all read what was written, we can all make up our own minds, and the idea that this was all ginned up out of nowhere by suburban evangelical teenagers clutching at pearls is just not it.
I didn't have "txttletale becomes the new ratliker1918 all the way down to the 'you can't critique this person overlooking antiblack racism, she's trans you transmisogynist!' bit" on my 2025 bingo card tbh. It takes more than drowning her screenshot and posting a classic gif to make someone a transmisogynist. Please. Let's not deminish the reality of societal transmisogyny just to shield someone who overlooks obvious and ongoing violent racism to get tumblr self-proclaimed tankie clout. Thank you.
Ngl had txttletale blocked for a while for being a tankie. In general kind of odd how much overlap there is between tankies and the "pedophilia is #progressive" crowd, but I think it's probably due to a lack of any actual critical thinking.
"Some things viewed as bad by society aren't actually bad" getting warped into "being viewed as bad by society = good morally"
me personally i had txttletale blocked for participating in the trend of cloaking antiblackness in criticism of "usamericans" and "yankees" and when black people rightly called the people talking out their necks on their bs they would justify black oppression and subjugation as being deserved for participating in american society and the military industrial complex as if we really have a fucking choice :/ and then txttletale specifically was part of the patricia taxxon defense squad n i realized she really is just that stupid
this is the same person who says the working class Ukrainians should surrender or unite with Russian proletariat to stop the War... without any weapons and tanks (bc no dirty western help silly).
this is also a very funny way of saying "imperialism is awesome when the right kind of people are doing it". Imverysmart Tankies like this are enlightened unlike the stupid masses. If all the soviets states were full of working class people who had their freedom to choose their political stances why the state had to send the tanks in when the people choose to protest? Weren't they willingly under soviet rule? ah yes, because those workers were not the right kind of people. Of course all good workers must choose to follow the purest of the ideology, there's no other option.
Yeah if you missed the memos, block txttletale. Constantly and unerringly antiblack racist. Is now defending 4chan by saying that it isn't any more racist than any other website and isn't a big deal.
Even though it's literally known as the fucking Nazi website that has instigated multiple mass shootings and is the source of most of the Nazi dogwhistle memes in existance today. It's probably where Elon Musk fucking hangs out.
That time minisoc and txttletale got into an argument about Venezuela.