c = f

What would having guns have done to help this situation? I can imagine it now.

*Gov gaols someone for being ‘grossly offensive’*

*Bunch of people stat shooting up state property*

*Gov calls in a drone strike and annihilates the violent crowd*

The reason free speech hasn’t been infringed in America is because you guys have a codified constitution that give the Supreme Court the ability to strike down laws. In the UK Parliament is sovereign and we have an uncodified constitution and this make the Human Rights Act (1998) useless.

Besides the Section 127 of the Communications Act (2003), which Count Dankula was prosecuted under, was actually inherited from Section 43 of the Telecommunications Act (1984), before muh guns were banned. But you know these events are completely related. I’m not even for gun control but this is just a dumb correlation, please refrain from talking so broadly about my country in future.

desperatelyseekingdennis

It’s not about stopping anything. It’s about the country obviously not caring about the rights of it’s citizens. Is there any surprise that a country that doesn’t respect the people’s inate right to self defense would also not respect the people’s inate right to free expression?

As long as people keep holding up the UK gun laws as a “successful” model of gun control, bringing up the UKs other “successful” rights violations will be appropriate.

There is such a cultural difference, look guns are unpopular here, gun control isn’t going anywhere so going on about it is useless, it’d be like trying to get rid of the Constitution in America to combat Congressional gridlock. Yes it’s tyranny of the majority but sorry practical politics are more important that hard principle right now.

So please don’t be one of the people that links freedom of expression to guns, if you do we may not be able to get it back. If certain groups (the lefty crowd) can paint this picture that freedom of expression is a gate way to gun control being loosened then the public may stop supporting it, especially if it’s painted as ‘crazy right wingers’ in America making the link. Yes, people hate guns so much here they’d give up freedom of expression to be rid of them. Seriously, just please don’t.

tooiconic

People in 2014: “I have free speech. It doesnt matter if what I said offended you.”

The UK in 2018:

desperatelyseekingdennis

More people needed to be talking about this in conjunction with the March yesterday.

1997: UK bans guns.

2018: UK jails a man for unlicensed jokes.

These aren’t unrelated.

What would having guns have done to help this situation? I can imagine it now.

*Gov gaols someone for being ‘grossly offensive’*

*Bunch of people stat shooting up state property*

*Gov calls in a drone strike and annihilates the violent crowd*

The reason free speech hasn’t been infringed in America is because you guys have a codified constitution that give the Supreme Court the ability to strike down laws. In the UK Parliament is sovereign and we have an uncodified constitution and this make the Human Rights Act (1998) useless.

Besides the Section 127 of the Communications Act (2003), which Count Dankula was prosecuted under, was actually inherited from Section 43 of the Telecommunications Act (1984), before muh guns were banned. But you know these events are completely related. I’m not even for gun control but this is just a dumb correlation, please refrain from talking so broadly about my country in future.

orkestrations

Power corrupts. No matter who is in power, they will use that power for the benefit of themselves and others like them. Power will never be used to benefit everyone. Power will never be wielded to benefit everyone unless everyone has an equal amount of power. And the only way everyone will have an equal amount of power will be if they only have power over themselves and their own actions.

Unless everyone has equal power, power will always be used to the benefit of the people in power and never to the benefit of the people without power.

#political compass #memes #communism #fascism #anarchy

But people will never have equal power as human are not equal. Some of us are stronger, more intelligent etc. and can therefore use these to exploit people, especially in a state of anarchy as there are no bodies to protect people from this.

#anarchy #power

black-sun-brotherhood

Know your ideology

Watching nationalist or “Nazi” blogs support capitalism or democracy or individualism makes me sick.

You have been played as a fool, and inadvertently support the very things your labels were formed to oppose. Fascists despise individualism. We seek the death of democracy. We would destroy capitalism and global corporations. We aren’t communists, but we are closer to the socialists and traditional Marxists than you accept too. Fascism is the middle-way, the means of escaping the delusions of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. But sadly so many seem wholly unaware of this.

I do not yet know whether such people are ignorant or stupid.

Being a liberal that figured out how being in a homogeneous society is better doesn’t mean you’re not a liberal.

Read a history book. Do some study. Educate yourself. Learn what is actually being offered rather than an attention seeking label, or a cheap means to make people think you’re a rebel.

Perhaps some posts detailing specific ideals of fascism are necessary.

You cannot be a liberal and not support individualist, it’s literally the core tenant of the ideology.

Stopmakingliberalslookbad is literally a neo nazi, they're not worth the effort

oh yeah I’m not talking to them with the expectation of winning only pointing out how ridiculous they are, fash talking to fash and acting like they’re concerned for Venezuelans

@minisoc tell your stupid fuckhead anon that I’m Jewish and that it’s a REALLY bad look to say that I’m “literally [sic] a neo nazi”.

captain-price-official

@minisoc is literally a communist who supports North Korea and is just as bad as a Nazi

spinelessidiot-deactivated20190

kinda proving my point there friendo

DPRK: * Never fought against any other country, closest to that was the Korean war that was against U.S. intervention in their own country, since that one time they have not waged war anywhere. * Never systematically exterminated people, especially not based on their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or disabilities. * Just demand peace, quiet and socialism in their own state, not bothering any other place and not trying to expand. Nazi Germany: * Literally the opposite of all those things.

@stopmakingliberalslookbad Well, you are a Liberal, so that’s actually close to being a Neo-Nazi. After all, you would betray those around you for the winning side, if that side benefits you and you alone, that is.

harlotofandraste

please tell me you’re trolling

Liberals will, indeed, pick the winning group of any side if it benefits their own needs and no one else’s. A Neo-Nazi will do the same, but to the extreme of wanting to dominate the entire population. Liberals, from my experience with a few, are close to that, but not as much, for Liberals are Opportunists.

Serious question, who isn’t an opportunist? Who wouldn’t take advantage of circumstances to advance their desired policy? You’re telling me that if you saw a chance to start a successful revolution, given you’re a revolutionary (socialist presumably), you wouldn’t tale it

I find Oportunism to be a flawed thing of humanity. In regards to the revolution(you are correct on it being Socialist), I would only take the chance when I am sure that the time is right for it(once a certain number of people are organized, they’ve learned how to use weapons, etc.).

Humans are a very flawed being that will always put their own interests first, though there is nothing inherently wrong with this.

We can be better than that, though. We can work to transcend thinking of ourselves and become selfless. I feel that many need to realize this. We have overcome many of our flaws through some sort of evolution; we used to be Neanderthals, wearing fur skins and being afraid of fire, but we had become intellectual beings in the years after.

elliot521ii-blog

I don’t think you’re going to be able to build a truly selfless society, just as we can’t build a truly selfish society, absolutes like this just don’t exist. Also, evolution is an incredibly slow process so relying on it to build socialism probably isn’t a good idea.

I may not be able to, but I might take us a small step towards it. The evolution thing was just used as an example; my meaning was, more or less, that just because things and people have been a certain way, doesn’t mean it always has to remain the same. Will there be a selfless society? Maybe, but not in our lifetime. However, that shouldn’t stop us from working to take the first step towards that society. Call me a dreamer, an idealist, or a crazy son of a bitch, but I want to at least try and make a Socialist society that takes the first step into a better future for all.

Sorry, reblogged to the wrong blog.

I think our main point of contention is means to achieve a goal. With the way capitalism is going, with automatisation and increasing production, a socialist system will probably be produced out of sheer abundance, though it’d probably be market socialism and private property will still most likely be a thing. In a couple generations, about 40-80 years, extreme poverty will most likely be eliminates, as Sub-Saharan Africa is starting to enter the take off stage. Capitalism has shown itself to be the most efficient system at producing more ‘humane’ societies and with things like UBI being tested we might see a society free of inescapable suffering, like homelessness, the welfare sealing etc.

Stopmakingliberalslookbad is literally a neo nazi, they're not worth the effort

oh yeah I’m not talking to them with the expectation of winning only pointing out how ridiculous they are, fash talking to fash and acting like they’re concerned for Venezuelans

@minisoc tell your stupid fuckhead anon that I’m Jewish and that it’s a REALLY bad look to say that I’m “literally [sic] a neo nazi”.

captain-price-official

@minisoc is literally a communist who supports North Korea and is just as bad as a Nazi

spinelessidiot-deactivated20190

kinda proving my point there friendo

DPRK: * Never fought against any other country, closest to that was the Korean war that was against U.S. intervention in their own country, since that one time they have not waged war anywhere. * Never systematically exterminated people, especially not based on their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or disabilities. * Just demand peace, quiet and socialism in their own state, not bothering any other place and not trying to expand. Nazi Germany: * Literally the opposite of all those things.

@stopmakingliberalslookbad Well, you are a Liberal, so that’s actually close to being a Neo-Nazi. After all, you would betray those around you for the winning side, if that side benefits you and you alone, that is.

harlotofandraste

please tell me you’re trolling

Liberals will, indeed, pick the winning group of any side if it benefits their own needs and no one else’s. A Neo-Nazi will do the same, but to the extreme of wanting to dominate the entire population. Liberals, from my experience with a few, are close to that, but not as much, for Liberals are Opportunists.

Serious question, who isn’t an opportunist? Who wouldn’t take advantage of circumstances to advance their desired policy? You’re telling me that if you saw a chance to start a successful revolution, given you’re a revolutionary (socialist presumably), you wouldn’t tale it

I find Oportunism to be a flawed thing of humanity. In regards to the revolution(you are correct on it being Socialist), I would only take the chance when I am sure that the time is right for it(once a certain number of people are organized, they’ve learned how to use weapons, etc.).

Humans are a very flawed being that will always put their own interests first, though there is nothing inherently wrong with this.

Stopmakingliberalslookbad is literally a neo nazi, they're not worth the effort

oh yeah I’m not talking to them with the expectation of winning only pointing out how ridiculous they are, fash talking to fash and acting like they’re concerned for Venezuelans

@minisoc tell your stupid fuckhead anon that I’m Jewish and that it’s a REALLY bad look to say that I’m “literally [sic] a neo nazi”.

captain-price-official

@minisoc is literally a communist who supports North Korea and is just as bad as a Nazi

spinelessidiot-deactivated20190

kinda proving my point there friendo

DPRK: * Never fought against any other country, closest to that was the Korean war that was against U.S. intervention in their own country, since that one time they have not waged war anywhere. * Never systematically exterminated people, especially not based on their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or disabilities. * Just demand peace, quiet and socialism in their own state, not bothering any other place and not trying to expand. Nazi Germany: * Literally the opposite of all those things.

@stopmakingliberalslookbad Well, you are a Liberal, so that’s actually close to being a Neo-Nazi. After all, you would betray those around you for the winning side, if that side benefits you and you alone, that is.

harlotofandraste

please tell me you’re trolling

Liberals will, indeed, pick the winning group of any side if it benefits their own needs and no one else’s. A Neo-Nazi will do the same, but to the extreme of wanting to dominate the entire population. Liberals, from my experience with a few, are close to that, but not as much, for Liberals are Opportunists.

#revolutionary #opportunism

Serious question, who isn’t an opportunist? Who wouldn’t take advantage of circumstances to advance their desired policy? You’re telling me that if you saw a chance to start a successful revolution, given you’re a revolutionary (socialist presumably), you wouldn’t tale it

Venezuela will most likely collapse this year, considering in Christmas there was a blackout, the food problem continues to get worse, and a whole plethora of terrible things, so, do you think that when the day comes, Tumblr will finally stop championing socialism as the be-all, end-all political "system" to "fix america"? (Because let's be real, it's always about america)

Ugh, how awful. Stay safe.

lmao the fascist and the reactionary liberal comiserating over Venezuela. sorry pals, Venezuela won (:

“They’re anti-imperialism, therefore their oppression is okay! Why listen to somebody who actually lives in Venezuela? I’m the REAL authority on the issue!”

see how dead “lived experience” discourse is? “the fascist deserves to be heard! he’s from there!”

#pinochet #communism #fascism #red army #soviet union #free helicopter rides #centrism

So we shouldn’t listen to people living there on how the system is going? How does disagreeing with socialism make someone a fascists? Most people don’t want socialism so are most people fascists?

Also, how do you justify being a Leninist? Every one of his policies failed.

the-real-ted-cruz

Reblog this if you are genuinely open to political dialogue with people you disagree with. This doesn’t exclude any single political group by the way. It doesn’t exclude SJWs, anti SJWs, liberals, conservatives, moderates, liberal feminists, radical feminists, anti feminists, men’s rights activists, alt righters, etc.. Basically, reblog if you are willing to have a conversation with people regardless of what your previously conceived opinions of them may be. (It’s important to note that having a conversation doesn’t mean you have to ultimately agree on anything. It just means hearing exactly what that person believes and why they believe it and explaining what you believe and why you believe that. It’s a conversation. It doesn’t have to be a debate). If you don’t want to have a conversation with people, that’s fine. This post is only for the people who do.

When you’re having an argument with a fascist:

But then a communist enters the scene:

Leftists: Fascists shouldn’t be allowed to speak freely as violence is instilled into their rhetoric and ideology. Remember, it’s not free speech if they advocate violence.

Also Leftists: Class war until communism! Kill the bourgeoisie! Anyone who opposes liberation is a class traitor and deserves everything they get.

Seriously you guys are massive hypocrites.

#communism #lefism #socialism #antifa #politics #free speech #fascism

Yup espousing traditionally right wing views totally makes you a liberal 😂 that goes to show how far right the political spectrum has swung in the last 30 years

Name one traditionally right wing view that I’ve espoused.

#liberalism #right wing #left wing

Liberalism is, traditionally, a right wing ideology, classical liberalism is basically right-wing libertarianism. It was only with the sheer horrors of Laissez-faire capitalism that liberalism swung left and not even that far left. Modern liberalism is the left wing liberalism and, at the extremes, get very close to democratic socialism but still is at most a centre left ideology as it still believes put equality of opportunity first and, even with the extremes of Rawls, believes that inequality of outcome to be just. The idea that you have to be left wing to be a liberal is just dumb.

dutchfruitjar

NEVER forget that BOTH liberal and conservative are capable of fascism

#fascism #mussolini #liberalism #quotes

“Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere.” - Benito Mussolini, 1935.

books-and-barricades

The reason why liberals often mistake socialism & communism with specific horrors of capitalism is because their only reference are state-capitalist regimes that cloaked themselves under the name of socialism & communism.

mangoeater1000-deactivated20201

State capitalism was a term that Lenin did use for his New Economic Policy after the failure of his other, more socialist policies. State capitalism was abandoned but a few year later under Stalin for a planned economy, which is a form of socialism. These regimes were in fact socialist, also state capitalism is an oxymoron.

it’s umm really sad watching liberal centrists try to conflate socialists and the far right. fascists and white supremacists are tearing europe and america apart and yet these ummm.. liberal cowards have to always be like socialists are bad too!! as if that’s not ridiculous and also objectively untrue