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[luciferanalyzestar]

I don't get why Viv stans think that someone redesigning a one character is a personal attack

It's just a redesign drawing, it won't kill ya😭

Redesigning characters from the Hellaverse is a cardinal SIN in this fandom. Fans think all redesigns are done in bad faith or with spite. Some (like myself) do redesigns to fit their art style, for variety, or adding their personal headcanons to the design. Even if someone did a redesign to say, "Fuck you Viv", who cares? As long as they are not tagging Viv in their post "saying, "I'm better character designer than you!" and acting like an asshole.

Usually, I censor usernames, but Vilya's art is very cool and neat, everyone should check them out. She hit the nail on the head when it comes to the fandom being anti-redesigns. I never seen a fandom act like this before. Redesigns are huge very popular thing in the MLP and Sonic fandom and I never heard of fandom discourse over redesigns (minus the racists who get bitchy when an artist gave a character dark skin as a human but that is a whole different topic).

I ate up every single Charlie, Adam, and Lucifer redesign I see, and I love watching redesigns videos. Like look at Vilya's. I cannot wait for the final result because I already love him, I'm his biggest fan. This Alastor redesign by Martycesar came across my feed and holy shit it is fantastic. Doing redesigns allows artists to be creative and sometimes thing out the box.

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

The stans is why I'm scared of posting my redesigns on sites like twitter (left the site anyways lmaooo) and the HH/HB server that is run by a HH/HB critic (FriedRat). I'm worried to death that my redesigns will be absolutely tored a part by these psychos like holy shit, I even seen people threatening to harm someone for simply just redesigning Angel dust or Alastor. The worst I have gotten was someone blocking me but before they did, they said "Don't fix something that doesn't NEED to be fixed" because I posted an Alastor redesign/edit, this one. All I did was basically gave him deer ears, better antlers, a deer tail (because I want to give justice to those who wanted him to have one), deer snout and I made him more black coded since the original design was lacking it despite Viv saying that he is mixed :|

I understand if someone is being spiteful and trying to be all like "My design is WAYYYYYYYyYyyyYYYYYYY cooler than Vivziepop xD", then yeah, I understand why the stans would be piss off by that (ofc, that doesn't justify harassing the person and shit). But if it's someone who is just literally doing it for fun or show how they would've design the characters, I don't see a problem???

[luciferanalyzestar]

Fans are beyond overprotective of Alastor and Angel's design.

Fans need to get to understand that redesigns do not equally 'fixing'. You cannot fix something that always been made, fans are acting like someone is reanimating the entire show with their redesigns.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Hot take: I see many say, "Viv knows nothing about demonology" but making Baphomet a species of demons is interesting take on the figure. I know that the sin of Sloth has nothing to do with Baphomet. I do not watch Hellaverse to learn about demonic and biblical lore. It is not a documentary after all.

Could have they been called something else? Yes.

Them having candles on their heads is cool and I love their tails, they remind me of mouth tails people give their furry OCs. I hope a baphomet gets introduce as a new character in S3 even if they are a one off because I want to learn more about this species.

I think Viv and the other writers should be allowed creative freedom when it comes to the lore as long it is not sending the wrong messages (all of the biblical characters having fair skin for example).

[luciferanalyzestar]

What do you think is the biggest flaw of the shows? I think it's that Viv makes them go from point A to point C.....without ANY B

Both in plot and character development, like with Angle and Husk, we see them starting to be friendly with eachother and then.....their suddenly super duper close that husk being disappointed makes angle sad :(

It wouldn't be a bad thing if we just saw a bit of them getting closer, even just in the background, them drinking together at the bar or smth would've helped, but because we don't it's just....confusing :/

This is a plot progression chart:

This is how plots progress in the Hellaverse:

Viv wants all the big payoffs to happen fast, so the audience does not have to wait, making certain moments feel hollow.

Angel and Husk's relationship could have been:

Season 1: They dislike each other at the start but at the end, they started to warm up to each other.

Season two: They start to learn about each other and bond over how much it sucks to have your soul being owned someone else (Not in a loser baby way but an actual conversation. Not everything needs to be in song). Maybe they start developing feelings for one another.

Season Three: In song, Angel admits his romantic feelings to Husk, Husk reciprocate making it a duet, and they kiss at the end. YAY! They are official!!

Season Four: We see them more as couple and whatever else.

I do not care for Husker/dust due to Viv saying it will be a slow burn, basically confirming that they will get together. It will not shock me if they become a couple by the end of season two.

[luciferanalyzestar]

I agree with your sentiments about some critics dragging in Viv’s family. That’s just crossing the line. You can dislike her as a boss and as writer, but there are certain lines you shouldn’t cross. I never judge her if she writes from her own experiences because writers do that.

I appreciate your honest and focused viewpoint when it comes to Helleverse.

Someone in this community had a "callout" thread about Viv and mention details about Viv's family members like what does her parents' backgrounds have ANYTHING to do with Viv and her online history? This comes off as obsessive even if this info is public.

Calling her dad "Daddy Dearest" and mom "Mommy Mearest" is so strange.

If a Viv stan was doing something like this, talking about Viv's family members and Viv's finical status growing up, this community would be dragging them through the mud but when someone in this community is doing it - crickets.

Just because Viv makes posts featuring her family members, that does not give you the excuse to dug up their personal info for a "callout" thread. I hope her parents and any other of family members makes their socials private.

I never judge her if she writes from her own experiences because writers do that.

People forget that "Write What You Know" is a common practice.

I never started wondering "did this happen to Viv or another writer IRL???" when the shows. If Viv is writing from personal experiences, I am not going to judge her for it. When 'Write What You Know' is present, the media still exists on its own.

I appreciate your honest and focused viewpoint when it comes to Helleverse.

Thank you! 😊

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"People in HB fandom forget that asexual people can have a romantic relationship."

Submitted by @certifiedlucifersimp

[luciferanalyzestar]

The fandom thinks all asexuals are aromantic by default.

Alloromantic asexuals, aromantic allosexual, and Oriented Aroaces exist. Queerplatonic relationships are a thing. Not all aces are sex repulsed, same goes aros with being romance repulsed.

The Hellaverse fandom is full asexuals and aromantics and we have on a daily basis have to remind allos that asexuality is a spectrum.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Is it just me or do the mooks working for Crimson in Oops feel less like they're his new members and more like he's trying to rope other mafia clans that he knew of to join his empire?

Probably. Most of the unnamed members are not sharks and look like lizards. I hope we see more of the greed ring, most of the background characters in Opps are dinosaur or lizard like which is an odd choice due to Mammon looking like clown.

Like the citizens of gluttony, wrath, envy, and sloth look like/have the vibe of the Sins that rules those rings, but greed and lust do not. Not counting Lucifer into this because he is a fallen angel.

Shout out to these guys who look more like a threat than Crimson will never be. They just scream "mafia".

[luciferanalyzestar]

I know this going to come off as mean, but people are dumb.

As someone who was around during the SU hate train, most of the hate came from a place of bigoty! Right wingers (we used to call them anti-SJWs back in those days) hated the idea of a bisexual non-binary woman who is Jewish putting the "gay agenda" into a kid's show. All of the big anti-SU videos that went viral were made by bigots. Hell, Lily even admitted that she never watched the show in full.

The main criticism the Hellaverse gets is the writing being wonky not for having lgbt characters (how those characters are written is a whole different topic) unlike SU.

Is SU perfect? No, it had unfortunate implications in the writing when it came to the Black-code characters, but it still has better writing than Hazbin/Helluva especially in the character department.

[focalorsgirlboss]

Do you realise this is abuse as well?

talking to someone in a sexual way in front of your child is a big deal. And when Octavia shows discomfort this wet owl mop SHUTS HER OFF! Seriously, your kid has suffered enough just from living in the household, why are you making it more difficult for her? Even if Octavia was an adult it'd still be very weird.

before you defend him by saying stuff like "it's not big of a deal", imagine one of your parents explicitly talking about having sex with someone in front of your eyes, making sexual nicknames for that person. Does that make you uncomfortable?

now with the knowledge that this episode is supposed to be foreshadowing for Sinsmas (I guess?), it's clear that Stolas always cared more about satisfying himself via Blitzø more than he cared about his daughter. His brain turns off and he doesn't care how inappropriate he looks in his daughter's eyes. he only fucking cares about harassing teasing an imp.

anyway, Stolas did more than just neglecting Octavia, is what I'm saying here.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Allegedly, Viv based how Stolas acts here off of her own father…..

This is the post I got this info from.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Chaz and Adam encapsulate everything wrong with most of the Hellaverse’s humor

I never cared for Chaz, I do like Adam though and they have something in common: they are not funny.

Viv's sense of humor being just 'someone said fuck in a funny way, or they referenced the sex haha'!!' needs to be studied.

This is not an unpopular opinion, but I never found the jokes that are just swear words and reference to sex (mainly dicks) to be funny in either shows. The Hellaverse never made me "ROFL", only chuckled.

[luciferanalyzestar]

This is an ask, but the user wanted to stay anonymous.

The background character designers for the Hellaverse are great. The designs are simple but have a lot of charm to them. They really make characters designed by Viv or designs she had input in look bad in comparison.

Cles has stripes on her outfit, but it is three stripes unlike Al, Luci, and Vel who have more than five stripes on their outfits. I never even heard of a jabot tie until now, you learn something new every day. Quint's tie is neat especially the bones, looks better than standard bow tie.

I like how the members of Crimson's mafia outfits use the same colors; it is unified but how the colors are placed makes them stand out. Unlike the member of the hotel where the same shade of red takes up the majority of their outfits.

They are mimicking Crimson's outfit but his outfit sucks. He is wearing a stripe jacket and stripe pants, it looks awful. It does not help that his blue jacket and navy-blue pants have red stripes. Straight up an eye sore. Red becomes brighter when next to blue.

Cleo, Titus, and Butch have stripes on their clothes, but the color of the stripes match with the color of their suit (Cleo) and pants (Titus and Butch). Even this unnamed member's sweater stripes look way better, it is only two! Not five+ likes Crimson's fit.

One of these days I have to make a whole video on the character designs in the Hellaverse.

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“S3 is a Queer rollercoaster” watch it just be forced trite love triangles, as a Spanish bird and traumatized salamander fight over the literal worst thing ever created by anyone, cries and sings for the 50th time. While other characters like loona decides she has enough of the stupid love triangle and the ungrateful abusive bird making her dad his bitch just does nothing, loona hasn’t done shit in S2 and viv said it’s because they couldn’t afford Erica lindbeck but can afford three celebrities guest stars and Kesha? Millie and moxxie can’t decide whether or not to get an abortion. And the season ends with Ozzie and fizz getting married

I know Season 3 is going to be about the goetias but I really hope Loona does something or get the spotlight in a meaningful way. Helluva Boss been going on for like 3-4 years and Loona been sidelined so hard into the background. I see her more in merch ads and thumbnails than in the actual show.

This nonexistent, dry love triangle is going to be so drawn out. It really doesn’t help that I don’t like Vassago at all. It’s going to be two Stolas bootlickers fighting each other and give shallow reasons why Stolas should be with them. Even worse, it’s so obvious that Stoliz is going to be together.

Helluva Boss is full of expensive celebrities and popular YouTubers. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind when YouTubers and celebrities are starred in a TV show or series but when the whole cast is filled with only that, then it’s a problem. Vivziepop in the past admitted she couldn’t afford Erica.

[luciferanalyzestar]

What is with fans trying to slap the “homophobia” label on people who say that Helluva turn into ‘yaoi fan fiction”? Most people saying this are QUEER! Are they self-hating LGBT people because they dislike a ship?

I never seen a negative comment on YouTube or anywhere else of someone saying they dislike Helluva because it is gay now. We all know it was going to be gay from the start.

Bigoted losers do comment on anything Hellaverse but they rarely get attention because their criticisms are coming from a place of hate.

I am gay (NBLM) and I dislike St0las/Blitz because how it is written. I read gay romance books written by queer people, I never read a story and a gay character scream “Let go of my bottom!” Same goes with other shows that feature gay (MLM) characters.

Man, I just went back to Twitter to like art from artists who do not have Bluesky or Tumblr accounts not to see stuff like this.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Seeing that confession on attractiveness with Chaz front and center paints a point that Chaz doesn't fit the bill. He's a skinny sleaze you want to snap in half than anything else.

Most of Crimson's mooks in said episode held the attractive chart better than the Chazzer.

Chaz's design could have been better, but he is just another stick with the added sleaze. The main thing I dislike about his design is that his bulge being disproportionate from his crouth. I swear Viv's male characters would benefit from having actually hips. Chaz's bulge is going to pop out like Chestbuster from Aliens.

Anyway, shout out to the mooks Nickel, Marcella, and Stu. Their designs are great and should be placed on the attractive chart.

Sadly, Millie killed them so we will never see them again.

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

What annoys me the most is the fact that out of all dead people to get more merch is Chaz and not someone like Moxxie's mother or even Blitz's mum. Like yeah, we do get merch of Blitz's mum but.... I wish it was of something wholesome like a pin of her with her kids or something

And keep in mind, Tilla only got ONE piece of merch and I try to see if Moxxie's mum got anything but I can't seem to find it and I don't wanna assume that she got zero merch so I'm just gonna leave someone else to go digging (and this is OFFICAL merch not fan merch, that does NOT count). Honestly, Chaz getting merch despite him appearing once just feels like Vivzie is desperately trying to milk money from her fans by making merch of a popular character that just appeared ONCE in the show, kinda like Sallie May which GRANTED she did eventually appeared in more than one episode but she has a minor role in the series.

And no, I'm not saying that Vivziepop can't make merch of minor popular characters like Sallie because, I think it's great that Sallie (being a trans character) is getting a lot of attention but Viv doesn't do the same with other trans characters that appeared in HB

Which makes me believe that she only made merch of a trans character or added trans characters to her series just to get brownie points from the trans community as well as using them for profit. And it doesn't help that she had erased Cole's trans identity either

[luciferanalyzestar]

You forgot the fact that Moxxie's mom still does not have a name, but Viv gave a named one of Crimson's mooks that was in the pride print. The only 'merch' Moxxie's mom has been this sticker that was a part of the 2024 Spring collection. I do not know if fans make merch featuring Tilla or Mooxie's mom. They are not really characters; they were made to be put in the fridge.

I do not think Chaz is really that popular to get this amount of merch. I mainly look and buy Hazbin stuff second hand and of course Helluva stuff comes up to, I never see Chaz merch listed for sale.

I will never understand why fan overhype Sallie May. I do not dislike her or anything, she is fine character, but she does not have personality outside being Millie's sister who is trans. A huge family having more than one queer kid is not unrealistic, Cole being originally trans but was made cis reflects on Viv's transphobia towards trans man.

The lack of trans men and nonbinary characters in the Hellaverse should be talk about more.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Hey there! It's that anon from yesterday. I just wanna apologize for commenting about Viv's weight after realizing how rude it was. I didn't know I sounded a little harsh and that may have upset anyone.

In my head, I thought I was showing my concern about someone's health (as I also used to get fat-shamed as a kid and constantly told to look after my weight). Growing up in an Asian household, it made me think there's nothing wrong and didn't know it'd be impolite in other cultures particularly in the West. Still, it doesn't justify what I said and actually made it hard for others to take my criticism seriously.

I hope we can still be friends. I promise to be a little more sensitive next time and can now only wish Viv a brighter future and good health ✌️😊

You are good Anon, thank you for apologizing. 👍🏾

[luciferanalyzestar]

Seeing that confession on attractiveness with Chaz front and center paints a point that Chaz doesn't fit the bill. He's a skinny sleaze you want to snap in half than anything else.

Most of Crimson's mooks in said episode held the attractive chart better than the Chazzer.

Chaz's design could have been better, but he is just another stick with the added sleaze. The main thing I dislike about his design is that his bulge being disproportionate from his crouth. I swear Viv's male characters would benefit from having actually hips. Chaz's bulge is going to pop out like Chestbuster from Aliens.

Anyway, shout out to the mooks Nickel, Marcella, and Stu. Their designs are great and should be placed on the attractive chart.

Sadly, Millie killed them so we will never see them again.

[luciferanalyzestar]

Limus: *does something*

The standom: BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!

Also, I love the common theme of critics being Sir P fans.

Someone last year made fanart of Al pregnant and Amir signed it, and no one had an issue with it. But if an "anti" does something in a similar light, BOO!!!! 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

I find what Limus did to be bold but not awful. Fans are acting like she made Alex autograph NSFW art or something. Some of the VAs do have social media accounts and are probably have heard of or aware of certain drama discourse.

This person who said this is 31 years old by the way.

The nerve of this person. Like seriously, fuck that guy.

Sending threats for SA is already a disturbing act but making that threat to someone who made it public that they are a victim of SA is downright sickening. OVER A FUCKING CARTOON!!

This fandom is truly full of sick and twisted individuals.

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

I think brown deserves to be put on blast (called out) ngl (and no, I'm not calling for them to get harassed) because that's actually really disgusting to not only claim that she NEVER got SA'd but also say "you deserve to be bullied"

[luciferanalyzestar]

I censor usernames so stans do not start claiming I am sending a wave of hate their way, starting harassment campaigns is not reason I made this account or make posts.

This person's username has been posted before on other blogs and critical twitter accounts back in October. 'Brown' is LexRex99 who who said, "We need to bully this guy off the internet", I guess they got their wish. 🤷🏾

[luciferanalyzestar]

Sorry again, I not babying Alex Brightman. He has shown capability to question what goes on within the fandom. I just find what Limus did is in general weird. If Alex was uncomfortable he would have said no to her. That’s a fact. Sorry if my questions come out wrong or it sounds like I’m babying Alex. I just find this scandal to be weird and parts of the fandom’s reaction to abhorrent.

Getting similar asks back-to-back is crazy lmao.

The fandom is overprotective of the voice actors, I think it comes from the VA interacting with the fandom mainly Amir and Joel. I do not know when I am going to get the chance to share this, Joel recently made a tweet with the hashtag "ValentinhoesRiseUp" which made me go 'Why?'

Anyway, I could not imagine babying a man who is 37 years old. Alex Brightman is a GROWN ASS MAN!! He has been the industry and interacted with fans across many of fandoms for almost two decades, I think he can handle and speak for himself. Alex does not need fans who are obessed with the demon shows ™️to be his body guards.

A fan even made this tweet which is a certified bruh moment. No wonder Christian Borle does not have social media accounts, that guy is a genius.

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I had to come back to this post because I found it on Instagram. Part me of wishes they used a different hashtag.

[luciferanalyzestar]

“We know it’s hard out here for our pimp….”

????????????????

I agree that Joel does not deserve harassment for voicing Val but that line could have been worded better, it comes off as tone deaf.