#293.discourse

[thepluralmaster]

We still have plans on writing something longer about this so this definitely leaves other nuances out but

Our opinion is that if you’re a fictive/fictionkind you have all the rights to use your name even if it’s foreign, we dgaf, there are more pressing issues than a white-bodied person using a japanese name or whatever. It’s hypocritical of us to say otherwise since we keep our (usually very japanese) source names

Can you tell how we’re afraid of even saying something like this on tumblr. This is the thing that we have fears of being cancelled for. Partially because of our country of origin not being the US or whatever and therefore not relevant to most people in the community (or so we fear).

EDIT: It's here, don't let syscourseblr know. The last thing we need in our notes are boolays interacting in bad faith

[thepluralmaster]

We woke up to find out that our dehumanization post was responded to with “dehumanization is good for me actually and you should make your definition clear to accomodate those of us who do want to be dehumanized” and we’re fully aware of nonhumans defining dehumanization in a way that’s a good thing for them, but we thought the common definition (being treated as lesser, not worthy of respect) is common knowledge here? Especially with the marginalization angle being mentioned? And the mention that what nonhumans want is respect not being limited to humans?

In our eyes (at the very least) we already worded our post enough to not slot the nonhumans into the human category (in the “we’re all human” way) while at the same time not going into the pro-dehumanization side, noticing that the common ground is being respected. But it still sparked discourse regardless.

At that moment we were grateful for our incompatibility with america’s time zones because that means we can sleep and not deal with any of that. Many others have said it better than we can.

Is nonhuman personhood seriously not a commonly-accepted concept in the nonhuman community or what? Because the more we look into this discourse the more it feels that not even nonhumans understand nonhuman personhood. Or maybe we’re just too human to understand.

[thepluralmaster]

Sebagai orang indo yang ga pernah mijak benua amerika utara, argumen “jangan pakai nama diluar ras lu” dalam konteks syscourse itu ga masuk akal.

Kadang ada tuh argumen kek “kalau lu bukan orang jepang lu gaboleh pakai nama jepang. Kalau lu fictive dari anime lu mesti ganti nama karena itu budaya tertutup. Lu rasis kalau lu ga ganti nama gituan” atau semacam itu. Kalau dijelasin, alasannya biasa balik lagi ke bagaimana orang kulit putih (kemungkinannya di amerika serikat doang) lebih direspect kalau “nyolong” nama orang luar sementara yang etnis lain ditindas. Oke, tapi di indo konteks ini tidak bisa dipakai.

Trus kalau ngomongin masalah ini, pasti selalu karena orang putih pakai nama jepang atau mandarin.(Hampir) tak pernah nama diluar 2 bahasa itu. Dan tak pernah gubris kalau yang ngelakuin itu bukan orang putih. Itu juga bukan bahasa dari budaya tertutup. Lebih lagi, perasaan lebih sering dengar orang luar amerika serikat mikir ini fine-fine aja karena cuma nama, kita semua ada masalah yang lebih mendesak daripada penggunaan nama.

Trus kalau seandainya orang indo kayak kami ini disuruh ganti nama kayak gitu, yang nyuruh ini terimanya nama kayak gimana? Apa mereka tau nama indo itu gimana aja? Atau justru mereka tak terima karena mereka anggap kami itu orang putih, trus disuruh harus pakai nama barat? Atau mereka anggapnya seluruh indo itu cuma ada 1 suku, jadi yang pakai nama khas suku tertentu pun kena semprot karena namanya tidak terdengar cukup “indonesia”? Apapun pilihannya, lah kok ngatur? Itu niatnya emang beneran buat bantu poc atau cuma biar lu bisa ngerasa paling benar? Lu emang bisa tau kah seseorang di internet itu pasti dari etnis tertentu? Emang lu bisa tau nama dia itu pasti dari negara A dan bukan B? Lu bisa sebut berapa negara di asia? Lu tau asia tenggara gak?

Kalau mau negur orang putih yang beneran rasis ngaku-ngaku poc padahal bukan, paling bagus itu lihat dari kelakuan dia, bukan dari nama dia. Kalau lihat nama doang, masalahnya ga bakal selesai, bisa salah target juga, ntar lu terlihat kayak gak pernah lihat dunia. Plis, kalau mau bikin opini, utamakan dengar dari banyak sumber, sumbernya juga harus beragam. Jangan mentok ambil opini orang amerika serikat doang.

Sincerely, a system who very rarely sees indonesia being acknowledged in english-speaking spaces and is very tired of some of the discourse topics in the community