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#4304 ＠ 東京都江東区新木場

[vanillastopbath]

4304 Chicago, IL 10/13/2025

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"Freeze"...

[thewertsearch]

JADE: it doesnt matter much, hes supposedly dead now

Hussie seems to think so, at least.

Doc Scratch and Lord English count as two different people on the authorial death tally, even though they were born from the same body. Despite my speculation to the contrary, it seems they're not the same entity after all. Scratch was merely English's host, and he died the moment his master emerged.

Hopefully, he'll be out of the picture for good...

...but I wouldn't bet on it.

JADE: like you said, a sun presiding over many universes has to be pretty cosmically important JADE: who knows what terrible consequences there would be if it was destroyed JADE: or maybe worse, if it never existed at all

It'd be the mother of all doomed timelines, I'll tell you that much.

A doomed timeline involving the Green Sun would cause all sorts of unique problems - and I'm also pretty sure it would be the most massive offshoot timeline that Paradox Space has ever produced. Nothing else would even come close.

See, Davesprite's timeline appeared to consist solely of his own Incipisphere, which implies that an offshoot reality will only create a duplicate of the dimension it was spawned in. Interfering with the Sun, however, would affect every single universe, which means a timeline where it happens would probably need to consist of all of reality.

I just don't know if doomed timelines can be that big - and even if they can, I'm not sure they should be. After all, duplicating reality would also create a doomed incarnation of Lord English, and I do not trust that bastard to stay doomed.

JADE: which is what made rose and daves true mission an unintended success! JOHN: their true mission? JOHN: what was that? JADE: to deliver the bomb to the empty location the green sun was meant to exist for most of eternity JADE: and then create the sun in the first place JADE: that is what the tumor was for all along

Alright, Jade - but who gave them that mission? Because the least ominous answer to that question is the Horrorterrors of the Furthest Ring, and it only gets worse from there.

It's unfortunate that Rose isn't part of this conversation. The Prospit Patrol simply aren't cynical enough to ask the questions they need to be asking - and, come to think of it, I'm not even sure if they know who Lord English is.

Yeah, that about sums it up. As it stands, John and Jade are completely unprepared to face what awaits them in the post-Scratch session.

They need intel, and they need it soon.

[thewertsearch]

JADE: so if i wanted to fly out of our session and travel to the green sun, i would have to make my way there through the furthest ring at the speed of light or less

Only if you can figure out where it is, which isn't trivial.

Rose was only able to locate the Green Sun because Dave had prepared a temporal map for her, allowing her to compensate for the Ring's time distortions.

To explore the Ring without getting lost, Jade would need a navigator who understands Time. We do have Davesprite, of course, but we have no idea if the Gods taught him to navigate the unnavigable.

I don't see why they would have, either. It wasn't his mission.

JOHN: it didn't really occur to me this was all so elaborate. JOHN: like, if the green sun is at the center of a bunch of universes, like a huge solar system… JOHN: doesn't that mean it was sort of important? JOHN: maybe trying to blow it up wasn't such a great idea. JADE: yes i think youre right

I don't even know anymore.

For most of Act 5, I was fully in agreement with this sentiment - but things have changed since Cascade. We're now aware that the Green Sun was created on Lord English's orders - so for all we know, it is better off destroyed. We need more data, damn it!

For four thousand pages, these kids have been blindly groping for answers with the wool pulled over their eyes - and unless they get really serious about wrestling the truth from English's grubby hands, they're going to keep getting played for fools until the curtain falls for good.

JADE: but to be fair, we were all the victims of a big prank! JOHN: oh man, a prank?? JOHN: who pranked us? JADE: some really creepy omniscient guy

Sure, let's call it a prank - but for god's sake, please make sure that next time, the Prankster's Gambit falls in our favor. I don't think you'll survive being suckers again.

[thewertsearch]

JOHN: are you sure you can't make it go any faster? JOHN: i mean, not to sound too demanding, but… JOHN: didn't you say you can teleport stuff? JOHN: why not teleport us there? JADE: i cant! JADE: not here, at least

I thought as much. Jade's powers probably don't work in the Furthest Ring, because if they did, she could have brought Rose, Dave and the trolls to this Prospitian ship during Cascade. Her teleportation is probably limited to contiguous areas of conventional space, and the Hussieverse is anything but conventional.

JADE: becs powers draw from the green sun JADE: and the green sun presides over our universe JADE: many universes actually! and the sessions that created them, as well as the sessions created within them JADE: including the trolls universe and their session JADE: think of it like a giant solar system, but instead of planets revolving around the sun, there are many universes

Back when Rose was outlining the Tumor plan to Dave, I referred to the Green Sun as a core of reality - and it seems that's even more true than I thought.

In addition to powering the First Guardians' magic, the Sun also serves as the metaphysical nexus point of all Sburb-generated universes, as well as their associated sessions. Since we've never been given any reason to believe that non-Sburb universes exist, the Sun appears to 'preside' over all possible universes.

It almost sounds like the Sun is reality - and its creation was masterminded by Doc Scratch. The more you think about it, the worse it gets.

JADE: so, bec was able to teleport anywhere in the universe he wanted in an instant, much faster than light JADE: jack was able to do this too, within our session, and then when i inherited those powers from jadesprite, so could i JADE: but we could only teleport locally JADE: which means, bec could jump to anywhere in our universe, but not to another universe, or into a session JADE: and jack could jump to anywhere in our session, but not outside it

In other words, First Guardians can only teleport to locations they could physically travel to, from their current position.

During Cascade, for example, Jade could teleport to anywhere in her session, but it was impossible for her to reach other sessions, because those sessions didn't have a consistent physical location relative to her own. Similarly, Bec could teleport from Earth to anywhere else in his universe, but not into sessionspace, for the same reason an observer on Earth couldn't point towards a Sburb session. They're on different planes entirely.

tl;dr: to reach a given location via Space, Jade needs a well-defined direction to move in...

...and since moving to another session involves Furthest Ring travel, no such direction exists.

JADE: we cant even jump to the green sun itself, even though we sort of serve as a gateway to it, and all its energy

This, I believe, is the one notable exception to the rule above.

No matter where they currently are, a First Guardian can always open a portal to the Green Sun.

It doesn't sound like they can enter this portal themselves, though. Well, I suppose that makes sense - after all, they are the portal, and you can't move through your own body.

Could Jade reach into that portal, and fetch someone from the Sun, though? I suppose if that was possible, Jack would've just pulled Aradia right back out again, so I think the portal is completely inaccessible to the Guardian who embodies it.

JADE: and once we leave the suns domain, our travel is limited by the speed of light, like everyone else! JADE: for example, the furthest ring is not in the suns domain JADE: it is more like the suns medium, allowing it to exist

The Sun's domain includes, at minimum, every Sburb session in existence, alongside every universe they've produced. The Ring, however, can't be a domain, because it's not really part of conventional reality.

Yes, it may be the scaffolding on which reality is built, but the scaffolding is not part of the building.

[ynbne]

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