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i fear their opinion holds no sympathy nor ground anymore erm
if it wasnt obvious before it should be more apparent that their behavior isnt worth trying to fight against and this isnt worth giving attention because they clearly are homophobic/transphobic despite saying they arent (considering theyre repeating the toxic rhetoric over and over)
I mean there is pro and anti ship, which I don’t really touch on cuz as long as people arent being hurt by it irl I stand on the fact that people should mind other people’s business, but considering that back then diggles as a person is not really good and it has painted that picture for so long for a lot of people who knew. I mean lying about your age when you were a minor, doing nsfw audio as a minor and then dating kia while lying that they were of age when they were the same age kinda raising some stuff, I’m genuinely surprised that you’re still friends with them.
Just for your information I’m not here to attack you and stuff. It just boggles me that their community is so blind and deaf to past shit and the attack other creators that does not hold them in good light despite genuinely not doing anything to them.
yes, people have past shitty actions, but also holding against it against them doesn't solve anything, especially something like this (i have ALSO lied about my age as a child and done dangerous things whilst lying), and it happened literally 5 years ago? you're also incorrect that kia and diggs were dating when diggs was lying about his age; that is untrue, and i'm aware of this AS someone whos known them both since i was 13. diggs was not lying about their age when i met them, lmfao. you all just love to assume that people stay as bad as you do, don't you?
this, ask doesnt do anything for anyone. especially considering most of this is just plain wrong and i know for a fact that whoever sent this ask is probably apart of whatever bullshit stalker group is following them around like rats because you guys just can't stand the fact that people have the ability to get better and move past mistakes diggs isnt an irredeemable fucking human being for lying about their age when they were like 15/16, they're 23, they owned up to their mistakes and crazy concept; traumatized teenagers do weird shitty things for attention or to fit in because theyre traumatized! you know most of the people who are my age now probably lied about their age when they were younger right?
and as i mentioned before i did it too, and in fact it was WORSE, i was like, 10! does that make me a horrible awful human being that should be burned at the stake because i did something 6-8 years ago? no! i was a kid! i was a troubled needy kid who wanted to fit in where i shouldn't have been. and yeah, diggs was older, but that doesnt forfeit them from doing things to try and escape a bad environment irl. the lack of sympathy here is absolutely fucking insane and i'm so fucking glad i'm not apart of whatever the fuck you people are doing because you're sooo fucking hypocritical it makes me genuinely laugh, because how do you think that diggs is like satan on earth and try to trudge up any past mistakes while saying in the same breath that they attack other creators, dude you're literally stalking and harassing, and i also KNOW you are, the only mfs who know this shit ARE the stalkers, and you absolutely know who you are.
i know i am not at all a big creator i'm just some guy with some internet access and an account and friends but even then all of this, fandom, internet fun, its all become so incredibly insufferable to be in? the only reason i made a tumblr was so i could post my art online and maybe get some validation and silly for it, and because there were strangers on the internet who would share the same opinions as me and we could interact via shared interests and love for content we both enjoy but never actually ever know each other personally and as someone whos been in the undertale fandom since i was like. a genuine child, how did fandom culture go from fun and joyous to genuinely exhausting and like walking through a landmine? i understand trying to weed out all the genuinely shitty people, but like, atleast on my side with my friends, and of course one of the bigger online presences in them being kia, why is it so unimaginable that people are friends with eachother outside of fandom discourse that doesnt hold a single candle to anything in real life? i'll tell you this much; whatever shit my friends like to draw doesn't do anything to me in the real world all of this "blocklist" shit (which, by the way, never has to be made public, if you really want a blocklist make it in private or dm people if they want it), is so dangerous and it's absolutely insane and incredible to me that nobody in the rabid anti spaces can see it as a genuine danger that has real world consequences until things don't exactly go "the way they wanted" why are you airing out, generally average and pretty fucking normal, people and artists around on a list expecting whoever's on the internet to see it and have an ounce of etiquette? and, actually, why are you even willing to put out public lists in the first place? does it not fill you with regret? i fucking hate dreammare as a ship and i dont like the shit that people would consider proship, if anything i'm pretty normal, i just dont give a fuck about what people do in their own little spaces because i can choose not to go in there. so why are you choosing to put me out on a list as if i personally hurt you? like i drew incest brothers and sisters kissing with nsfw written all over it or some shit? brother the only social media that i post publicly on for the world to see is this one!! tldr please leave me the fuck alone and have some idk, sympathy? i dont look on tumblr much, i'm busy you know, living on my own barely a year after turning 18, its not very fun running the risk of harassment, and knowing that people are stalking you and your friendgroup constantly over shit that doesn't fucking matter to you
i know you and your friends are trying to disassociate yourselves from the drama, but i just want to say that i'm so sorry all of you are going through this. as a minor participating in fandom, i just think you all are really cool people with really cool art. i wish and hope people will just learn to block/filter and move on like i have, but i wish you and your friends the best for the rest of your days in this fandom.
its alright, i appreciate this comments way more than the people who want to try and trudge up old news repeatedly
but i completely understand what you mean, it's tiring, i've said it repeatedly but i so genuinely just don't understand how people have so much energy to worry about all of this so much, especially because i know full well a lot of the people who care about this, chronically online argument are either adults or literal kids. and im not trying to say im a superior person at all for not caring about proship vs anti, because im not! but holy FUCKING shit, it is baffling the lengths these assholes will go JUST because of things on the internet or because they don't like someone
like how do you not.. get tired? so many people make hate their personality on the internet and i guess that's fine but christ? can you leave the people who genuinely want nothing to do with it out of it? stop trying to force people into a discourse they reasonably want no part in, because spoiler alert; every part of the proship vs anti discourse is a wrong choice! no matter what you choose something is wrong! and neither side is a "safespace" either, no matter how much antis want to think it is, because of how fucking toxic and hatefilled they are, they fucking turn on eachother and maim eachother without regret. i genuinely feel fucking bad for some of the people in those spaces because its just not healthy.
and im aware nobody who reads these truly knows me personally, but it is shocking how much these people will act as if they're genuinely worried for your safety when you just... don't need it. or how much they think they're better than certain people or how much they feel the need to "save" everyone by calling out people for being "proship" and "neutral"
i just genuinely don't get it, i can't understand, and i don't.. really want to try to, because all of the logic is incredibly flawed, one dimensional, lacks perspective and critical thinking and it's. honestly. just. exhausting.
not? to be that person but like? don't some of you have like, a life? school or work maybe? or hang out with friends? maybe this rant in of itself is one dimensional but this fandom is fucking mean, and for what?? what happened to fandom etiquette and respect?
im still staying here, nice and put no matter what, i adore undertale and the utmv fandom, i love artwork this fandom creates and i love the stories but holy shit im fucking tired of shipping discourse and it barring me from just enjoying the works people create, god forbid i want to find peace love and joy in every single persons silly skeleton drawings
i do, again, appreciate the kind wishes and words, me and my entire friend group truly appreciate stuff like this a lot, love and peace and joy to the peaceful enjoyers of the fandom ...
I am sorry you are getting involved in this shit. I left the undertale au fandom in part as it was doing terrible things to my mental health and fueling my delusions and impulses. The stuff I have seen and been a apart of in that time is unbelievable. You really can't grow and change as a person on the internet, at least according to even more terminally online internet strangers.
I made plenty of mistakes I deeply regret myself. They still keep me up at night to be honest. But I have to recognize that I learned from those things at least. To be a better, safer and kinder person now.
This is kind of a useless personal rant now. Maybe something here resonates with someone, maybe not. Regardless. I hope those I knew and don't know, I hope they are well and learn and grow just as I and many others have and continue to. Truly.
you're very kind anon. thank you for the words, it truly means a lot actually i would leave the undertale au fandom, but i do find comfort in it despite how awful its grown in the past few years, i probably would've left it if at some point if this happened when i was younger fortunately i can ignore the hate (i have no energy to let it fester in me) and find comfort in characters i have since i was really young your words ring true and this ask is genuinely appreciated, i hope the people harassing my friends learn a thing or two from this mindset, but they probably never will, or want to (considering their patterned actions..)
anyways its really embarrassing that you guys keep on coming back over the same things repeatedly, stuck in the past much? considering we all have things to do with our lives like.. jobs.. college.. yknow. living our lives, staying stuck in internet drama is so, humiliating isnt it?
Must suck being a proshipper, huh?
im not but thanks for the ask! im sure there are people following me who wanted to know my stance on that whole debacle <3
