#endogamy

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Normal day in the dremurr house (Snowdin edition)

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This repost is just for me to keep an archive. It's an answer from this convo.

I’m not a specialist in genetics so I won’t talk about recessive or dominant genes but in term of sociology and historical perceptive the purity bloodline theme even if it’s not discuss directly in the fiction it’s implicitly the case. let’s not forget Naruto is strongly based on Japanese culture, folklore and religion. Being a fiction doesn’t mean popping up out of the blue. The fiction just put more fantasy and magic for the sake of entertainment on practices already existing in reality. In ancient japan, endogamous marriage were not the norm but permitted specially in aristocratic circle or in rural area wishing to preserve some secret knowledges.

I’m sorry I couldn’t find an english version so here is my very rough translation of the anthropologist Emmanuel Todd about Origin of family system (2011)

1- Marriage between cousins : The japanese descent family is distinguished from the german and the korean one by a slight endogamous tendency. Marriage between cousins is not forbidden in rural traditional Japan. After the second world war, in a society highly industrialised the global percentage of marriage between cousin 1st degree is 7.2%. A number, although not important, can be compared to Europe with a number inferior to 1% at the same period.

2- High aristocracy from Heian Era gravitating around the imperial family did not have any prohibition against consanguinity with the exception of parent/children, and brother/sister. As noticed by McCullough, a man could freely married an aunt, a niece, or a cousin […] It is clearly a classist endogamy according to McCullough, a tiny dominant group pull apart through endogamy from the rest of society. Thus they preserve in the same time bloodline “purety”, power exclusivity both symbolic and material.

There was an other part from the same chapter but a bit too long to translate where the author stress on how in some traditional japanese family, they put emphases on the elder child having a distinctive status, education and privilege than the other siblings.

Hyuga and Uchiha are both view in the Narutoverse as a very prestigious and traditional clan. Huyga even use terms Soke/Bunke which is a concept already existing in japanese culture. So we can associate them with a kind of aristocracy among the shinobi world. Both of them are said to descendant from Alien but even irl a lot of aristocratic family still proclaim a divine ancestry to justify their power over a majority (Ethiopia kings from Salomon, British queen claims to descent from the biblical King David) and in japanese case the imperial family still believe today to descend from Amaterasu. So following this aristocratic logic, keeping the blood “pure” is extremely important to them, they think it’s the source of their power.

I know that for a western/christian point of view, cousin union is seen as disgusting and incestuous (although European aristocracy still do it regardless for the reason explained previously) but it’s not the case in most part of the world, (I’m not defending it I’m just stating facts), and it’s not automatically produce disable children otherwise the Middle East and South Asia who have a long and stable tradition of doing so would have disappeared from Earth long time ago.

My point was just to say I don’t think the bloodline purity is a fandom invention, it’s a natural deduction. Senju are exogamous by choice (they have a tradition of making matrimonial and political alliances hence why Konoha was possible with a Senju driving force) in the opposite Hyuga and Uchiha seems to be strongly endogamous also by choice based on the fact they keep very similar features, a very strong sense of pride, an elitist education, a protective and secretive approach to their culture and a higher proportion of clan members possessing KKG (contrary to Senju where Mokuton is limited solely to Hashirama). Historically marrying your 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree cousin through arranged marriage will maximize the chance to keep some traits (good or bad) in the family. Hinata choosing herself to marry a non-Hyuga is an exception rather than a rule 1) Hinata/Neji/Hiashi relationship where her father is seen to slowly change his mind about his very conservative approach to tradition 2) Naruto is the most powerful Ninja post-war, son of an Hokage, future Hokage himself so they might play lottery with the genetic pool but they gain a great prestige and affluence by association with him.

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Just thinking about something...

It's usually white people who think voluntary endogamy is discriminatory, because they feel they are entitled to everyone. When marginalized religious and cultural groups like Jews, Muslims, and Indigenous people practice endogamy, it is because they are marginalized. It is because of a history of oppression, and the comfort and necessity of building relationships within their own group. It is no different than trans people choosing to only date other trans people, or disabled people choosing to only date other trans people.

White people are opposed to endogamy because they feel they have a right to everyone, but they don't. They don't have a right to Jews, or to any marginalized religion, or to Indigenous people. Voluntary endogamy is an act of resistance and of comfort.

When I choose to only marry other Jews, or only date other trans people, it's not because I hate gentiles or cis people. It's because I find comfort in my community and find strength in the relationships I build within it, and because I refuse to assimilate.

(This has nothing to do with race. Race is a far broader category than culture, and laws against race-mixing is not endogamy. Voluntary endogamy is about people choosing to only date and marry people within their own religious or tribal group. )

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Endogamous/Endoamorous Flag

Endogamy/Endoamory: the practice/custom of marrying/dating within ones own specific social group, religious group, caste, or ethnic group.

Colors obtained from inverting the exogamist/exoamorist flag. [ID.: 9 stripes of 3 ocean/deep purple, orange, turquoise, orange, and 3 ocean/deep purple. End ID.]

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A pile of good dogs has appeared!

It’s been fun to try and interpret the amalgamates so far. I think Endogamy has the least “parts” of them all. So obviously the solution is to cover these good pups in a sheet like a Mimikyu. 

Obviously.

[toses]

Endogamia 🐍

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I was still pretty new to Naruto at the time when I saw this, but do you (or anyone else, for that matter) remember when people said only the male Uchiha possessed the Sharingan? I remember seeing, like, posts and even debates over this because this was a time when the manga wasn’t over? This honestly might just be another fever dream I had.

I don’t remember this, but I can see people coming up with it as a theory, because Sarada is actually the first Uchiha to appear to use Sharingan in the manga AFAIK. There are some anime-only female users, plus Izumi who was in the anime and also a novel.

Kishimoto couldn’t seem to decide whether Sharingan was rare or not (Kakashi’s jeer to Obito that “the other Uchiha our age have already unlocked it” would seem to indicate that Obito was the ONLY Uchiha his age not to have it–the opposite of rare).

If he wanted a genetic explanation for why it was mostly male, Sharingan could be an X chromosome linked recessive trait–like colour blindness in the real world, which is mostly found in males. In such a model, mostly men would have Sharingan, however they would have inherited their ability from their mothers–meaning that the clan, if they knew this, would have legitimate reason for being endogamous (internal marriage).

It does make for a fascinating “what if” situation. If genetic testing was available, they would be able to tell if a female was a carrier of the Sharingan.

And what this would mean for Sasuke is that he would only be able to pass on his Sharingan-X chromosome to a daughter, who would not herself be able to use Sharingan.

However, her sons (Sasuke’s grandsons) would have a 1 in 2 chance of getting the Sharingan X from her.

Tell your high school bio teachers to do punnet squares using the hip and cool Sharingan.

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