What Kibbe body types do you think Hudson Williams and Connor Storrie from Heated Rivalry are?
yess i love body typing actors from current media! (for those unfamiliar with kibbe terminology, start here.) now, the show wants both of them to be natural types, the contemporary beauty standard for men both in hetero & gay media. but i beg to differ! they are actually kibbe opposites, part of where the chemistry and 'rivalry factor' comes from.💡
hudson's type: ROMANTIC / EXTREME YIN
both don't have their official heights published so i had to go by frame typing; first thing i noticed was hudson's shoulder line being more suited for rounded yin garments than the sharp edges connor is prone to wear. see below: the shoulder pads drop off, the waist emphasis saves it. the curls suit him. that's how i know a man is yin-dominant over yang in the kibbe system.
connor is the exact reverse. less waist emphasis, the pads sit in place, and sleek hair is great. it's very "soft broader outline versus angular, narrow outline" between them. sharp, darker lapels versus light silky drapes. a taut model face, a baroque full face. bone versus flesh structure. geometric yang and lush yin. that casting is deliberate. and hudson looks amazing in those moving fabrics.
extrapolating from that, the kibbe 'shoulder effect' only goes for two of the system's categories:
romantic and natural types. the "fabric drape > boxy shape" corner. these men can skip harsh tailoring and go for less set fabrics easily.
but since jeans (THE natural fabric, if someone wears it well they are blunt yang!) does not work with hudson at all as we saw in the rightfully confusing runway look, nor does the gamine-coded pattern mix do it, and he's not yang/narrow like a dramatic type...
... he has to be in the romantic type area. the opposite pole of the notoriously dramatic model world that famously has lots of problems dressing yin silhouettes and heights. if not, soft classic is the only other option for him. but clean suits aren't the extra mile here. he doesn't have kibbe width to be soft natural, so he's all yin. hudson doesn't dress his type so far, hard to find pictures of him in it. closest is putting him in plush hair, plush fabric, like this. still not full yin but we're close. jewelry is key for this body type. more decor!
connor's type: DRAMATIC / EXTREME YANG
it was between dramatic or flamboyant natural. you could draw this man with a ruler. that's yang essence, no bevelled shapes. high fashion forward in any case there, those cheek bones! yang-heavy types really do the smoky eye justice. connor was made for editorials.
his stylist often dresses connor in head to toe ensembles that cater to yang bodies, too, that's awesome. hudson's glam team could definitely learn from it: see the lines, adapt the outfit. exception: classic clothes on connor. they're okay, and give him vertical dress points, but exhaust him. so, balance = fine, but underwhelming.
he undisputably has the sharp face of a dramatic. no yin facial features unlike hudson. calves, hip line, more narrow and elongated drama. has more vertical, too. yang types can do maximum contrast.
ironically, he sometimes dresses in hudson's lines. silk and curls = romantic yin. his opposite! his hair stands out because it's styled in a round geometry while he is angular. it's interesting, but look how the clothes stand out over his face because of it.
i could see him with kibbe width and his shoulders are blunt. but natural type jeans fabrics fall flat on storrie, as do natural beards. again, we don't see connor behind it.
same here, bulky silhouettes with fluffed, unconstructed FN fabrics. it's surprising how weird and underwhelming flamboyant natural outfits are on him even if his frame carries it. he's not recognizable.
sharp lines, much preferred to highlight the face. wears rectangular shoulders and stripes really well. so, pure dramatic type it is!
the taut, chiselled lines of the face are the dead give-away. also, his typecasting as the top. it's almost stereotypical how yin actors portray the submissive/receiving part while dramatics and naturals like nick in heartstopper always wind up getting the more dom-coded role (it even applies to me, connor storrie and i share kibbe types and i'm a bi dominant 😭).
in any case, roles are not set in stone and reality is varied, but kibbe really was on to something when he showed us how movie industries typecast body types for characters to make them believable and easier to pattern-recognize i suppose. where heated rivalry breaks the mold is that hollywood usually pairs dramatics with gamines (both sharp yang) and romantics with naturals (both blunt or soft), while R and D remain "enemies", not lovers. in this case, we actually see how yin and yang, at least by kibbe's definition, fuse together.
i really love those hard dramatic lines on connor a lot, it even breaks the perception that dramatics are gaunt and intimidating. look how nicely the collar sits and the V-shapes harmonize with his angles.
Kibbe Romantics are described as having double curve and soft fleshy bodies. They are extreme yin. I feel like this type is very under represented in modern media and Romantic individuals probably suffer the most from current fast fashion trends.
All that aside, I think Sabrina Claudio is pure R. She's 5'5
She clearly embodies the "dreamspinner" essence of Romantics but beyond that, lets take a look at her body.
She has Romantic, Ethereal and Dramatic essence
Fleshiness is a good way to tell if someone is a Romantic type. (obviously Fleshiness alone cannot determine someone's Kibbe type)
She has upper curve and lower curve
She does not have "width"
Left- Sabrina Claudio
Right- Jennifer Lopez
Notice how JLo looks strong, her body is more athletic and tougher looking? Sabrina's body is more fleshy, softer more gentle seeming. Look at how differently bodycon dresses fit their bodies.
now I cant find too many good outfit pics of Sabrina :( but based on these we can see how the top row outfits are all kind of drape-y and flatter her more than the bottom row outfits that completely clash with her Kibbe type and essences.
Apparently the youth on TikTok are getting into seasonal color analysis and Kibbe types? On the one hand I’m excited for more people to be getting into one of my weird interests that I’ve been obsessively looking into since, like, 2019, but on the other hand it feels weird to have so many new and oftentimes very young people flooding the spaces that were previously very niche and cozy! Overall I think it’s good and fun, though.
So, I've watched Patriot today. And I must say, Tavington is such a perfect villain. I don't know if anyone can portray such a repulsive butcher being a perfect eye-candy at the same time. It saddens me that such movies are so predictable and the good guy always wins. Like come on, in real life bad guys often win, why is it so hard to make at least one flick true to life? Let the villain win, just once, if just for a change! I mean, Tavington has really won the battle with Martin and the latter survived just because he's played by Mel Gibson and coz good guys win in the end by some miracle. It's not fair. In real life Tavington would have killed everyone and got all the glory and land 😄
And also... well, the hair. Jason Isaacs looks so stunning with longer hair and short haircut does not do credit to his soft features (hello to Kibbe types, God bless his soul). Short haircuts are good on those with angular, sharp features and guys with soft, gentle ones only lose. I'm not saying that Mr Isaacs looks half bad with short hair but it does not complement him, while longer hair gives him character.
s. coups: TR. a little unsure about this one but in the end i like him in TR glamour rather than pure R
definitely a yin type
first instinct was SN cause hes wide but this shows that he isn’t a natural
very similar vertical line and proportions to ten
longer limbs in comparison to seungkwan (R)
homme fatal
i don’t like him in flowy and more yin lines
a true R (hwanwoong) looks phenomenal in something like this
looks really good with lots of small details
tldr: slightly longer limbs than a true R and i prefer him with small details over pure romantic lines
jeonghan: C / SC. would probably put him in pure C but classics are so hard to type in the first place distinguishing the line between DC/C/SC gets even harder
he has more yang than josh whos a SC
not in the DC category, he doesn’t have enough yang
like if i had to put him in DC or SC i would say SC but honestly im thinking pure C is actually the better fit.
moderate
but i really don’t think SC is right on him
DC isn’t either?
idk
you make your own judgement
please go watch the kelly clarkson performance i literally fucking adore how he looks in that
joshua: SC. literally the definition of SC, moderate, nothing sticks out, but softer and squishy rather than taught with more yang
very moderate
with a little bit of yin thrown on top
cue josh saying gentle sexy
you know the interview i’m talking about
but really, hes just a prince
jun: pure N. david kibbe can fight me i’m not getting rid of pure types because especially with naturals there is a middle ground between SN and FN
despite being 182 (6′0) he doesn’t actually look thAt tall?
you can tell he’s a decent height but he doesn’t slap you in the face with it the way a FN (yanan) does
hes also like 50/50 torso/legs?
and you think thats pretty normal looking but it shortens his vertical line significantly
so you rule out FN but SN seems too soft, too yin
he doesn’t have the facial and body irregularities a SN would have
(bangchan, jungkook)
but hes most definitely not a DC or SD
hes literally just moderate with wide bones
annnndddd you get to pure N
its literally so friggin hard to style pure Ns because, similar to a classic, you have to honor the balance but with N materials and like?
i can’t TELL you whats wrong with this but it doesn’t feel right
idk i love this look on him. and this. i don’t usually like what hes styled in but honestly i think its just cause its hard as anything out of balance will make it look off
i love this man
hoshi (soon young): TR. harder to type, was kinda confused, similar to the problem i’ve seen with baekhyun between SG and TR but his head isn’t as large in proportion to his body to make his vertical line short
so, heres the thing. hes got a SG face.
sharp jawline juxtaposed against full lips and cheeks.
but he doesn’t have the contrast in the rest of his body
he doesn’t look as short as a SG would look
the things with SGs vs TRs is that SGs, no matter their height, should look short.
i’ve found that its usually because their head is larger in proportion to their body. so someone like kino 178 (5′9) is gonna look shorter than his actual height cause he has a massive head.
eg: yoongi, woozi, dino,
with TRs, their head is more proportionate to the rest of them but they look small due to delicate bone structure and their actual height being on the lower side
ten looks small and delicate because he actually is short with smaller bone structure, not because his head is relatively larger in comparison to the rest of them
eg: xiaojun (one on the right), jimin, wooyoung
i like him in TR detail over gamine contrast
hoshi im so sorry but wth was this
this looks great
tldr: his proportions point towards TR and SG lines don’t look good on him
woowoo: D. pretty self explanatory.
sharp as heck
long vertical line
the embodiment of a dramatic
doesn’t matter what hes wearing
hes always going to maintain that striking yang
this is completely my multistan but when i was looking at pictures i literally thought he and seungwoo look alike, and like, they do... but they dont ? idk. but i love both of these men
tell me why i look at seungwoo and think of this
woozi (jihoon): SG. uh. yeah.
yep
uh huh
this is what happens when i feel like i need to do bullets but have no analysis
looks short
is short
maintains that childlike innocence even tho hes a grown mAn
dk (seokmin): SD. i originally thought he was D just because he and wonwoo are so similar, but he looks too good in SD lines to be anything else
long vertical line (compare to wonwoo’s)
little bit of yin in the flesh
still extremely sharp in the face and overall bones
his smile is so pretty :(
this pure d outfit doesn’t look that great in all honesty
mingyu: SD. also pretty self explanatory lol
long vertical line
but not frame dominant (see the slightly sloping shoulders, thats the yin coming through)
prominent bone structure but skin is still a little squish
small details but staying true to yang
mingyu, wonwoo, and jun i find it so funny how u can literally see their types so clearly here
would have thought natural cause of the head at first glance but his bone structure is sharp and not blunt like jun
dino (chan): SG. he confuses me a little because hes one of those SGs that (imo) can overpower their innate childlike *vibes* on stage sometimes
not saying the SGs cant be fantastic performers or sexy etc, etc, you compare dino and kino (inos waiT) to woozi and yoongi and just, theres something a little more dark about kino and dino.
or maybe i’m just insane
or its the fact that dino and kino are dance line and woozi and yoongi are rappers and theres just a different performance focus there
sharp jawline
but full lips and squishy cheeks
short vertical line
definitely a yin leaning man
i can’t explain this well. SGs are literally so easy for me to spot just look at pictures lol
ahahah. this is my first ask ever i feel so honored 🥺. hello! this is actually so funny cause i jUst had a convo with my friend about this! so without further ado
bangchan - real quick SN. the face, the abs, everything points at SN. he doesn’t have a particularly long vertical line but he doesn’t look as delicate and small as minho or felix. if you look at pictures of chan’s abs (we’ve all been there) look at how wide his waist is. muscular, but really its broad and elongated without a lot of curves (when i say face i mean he’s not sharp like jeongin is, more blunt and with “irregular” features
- look into kibbe if u wanna know what irregular means, its just a way of describing. look at chan vs minho and you’ll see what i mean. he just has less symmetry in his face (not a bad thing!)
minho (lee know) - G. i’ve seen allot of people type him as SG, SN or even some sort of classic. his face and body is just too delicate (imo) to be a SN. i wouldn’t say no to the possibility of a SG but classic is off the table to me. you compare him to seungmin (SC) and he looks more delicate and less moderate. you put him next to chan and he looks delicate but more moderate (gamine has a classic undertone in the same way that FG shares a more natural undertone.)
changbin - SN. another real quick SN. shorter than felix but looks less breakable (?) just stronger looking. definitely a SN who works out, but even from a lower angle you can tell that his more defining characteristic is strength and wideness rather than a longer vertical line.
hyunjin - okay this boy is impossible to type. i’ve seen DC for long time, now it seems the consensus is just a really skinny FN. D has been thrown around but i personally think hes too “squishy” to be a D. his vertical line is too prominent to be a DC (think vernon of seventeen, seongwha of ateez). they look much more moderate (and wider) than hyunjin whos a freaking string bean. so like, FN or SD idk man. take ur pick hes impossible lol.
han - FG. longer vertical line than felix and minho, sharper features too, but still somewhat delicate looking.
felix - easiest SG of all time. the small hands, delicate features, short vertical line. even his mannerism scrEam SG to me.
seungmin - SC. tbh theres nothing that puts seungmin into SC except he fits absolutely nowhere else (which is SUCH a classic thing but it takes a while for that to sink in lol). you can immediately rule out pretty much any yang type, hes too soft. you can rule out TR and R cause hes just uh not (?). just take a look at seungkwan svt (R) or hoshi (TR) svt vs our puppy. (closest imo is hoshi, but minie looks more moderate and taller. he doesn’t have the contrast of a gamine and so you’re left with classic. DC doesn’t feel right (see seongwha and vernon) so SC it is
jeongin (i.n.) - so technically jeongin is too young to type (kibbe says 21 ish) but for the fun of it. DC. when he was younger people classified him as a FG but as hes grown (stop growing, not really but :( ) he’s become much sharper and more defined (oof that jawline). (im simping wth hes so big now)
