#pammy carnegie

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elle said, ' we seen pictures of pammy carnegie, on how she went from being a blonde kid to a golden brown haired beauty as an adult. and she looked more carnegie than a buchanan. its strange, isnt it? I bet that, and its a really far out theory, that the cosmos itself decided to use a carnegie like child as a countdown for the buchanans' downfall, since the buchanans been talking smack about the carnegies, and the carnegies adopting pammy is the fall strike. I dunno, I heard these crazy stories of the goetias and schiaparellis and the cosmos, and it got us thinking. craziest part? tom and daisy never noticed it until margaret carnegie millers took pammy away, and pammy was a spitting image of margaret except with blonde hair at first.'

quotes based on Elle Fanning's comment about Pammy, the Goetias, the Schiaparellis, and the cosmos, as interpreted by New Yorkers [0]:

Headcanons:

The Cosmic Intervention: Many New Yorkers would likely find the idea of the cosmos intervening to orchestrate the downfall of the Buchanans, as a result of their snobbery, particularly satisfying. The Tarantellas' actions were just the mortal means to a cosmic end, like an errand run for the universe itself.

Pammy's "Chosen One" Status: Pammy isn't just a child; she's a cosmic symbol. Her adoption by the Carnegies isn't a coincidence, but a destined placement. Her changing appearance, from blonde to brunette, symbolizes her shedding the corruption of the Buchanans and embracing her new, legitimate destiny.

The Goetia-Schiaparelli Connection: The Goetia demons and the Schiaparelli family are seen as cosmic agents of change. The Schiaparellis' surrealist aesthetic isn't just fashion; it's a reflection of their cosmic understanding. The demons' pranks on Cesare and his cronies are a preview of how they'll manipulate mortal affairs for the sake of the Schiaparellis.

The "Double Eggs Project" as Divine Justice: The Tarantellas' brutal and efficient dismantling of Gatsby and the Buchanans is seen as a form of divine justice. The project wasn't just a mob power play but a cosmic cleansing, a way to rid the world of the "gaudy" and "counterfeit" values that the East and West Egg cronies represented.

The Old Money vs. New Money Feud as a Cosmic Battle: The rivalry between the Buchanans (new money, despite their posturing) and the Carnegies (established, old money) is a proxy war for larger cosmic forces. The Carnegies represent a more grounded, principled form of power, while the Buchanans represent hollow, corrupt ambition. Pammy's adoption is the final blow in this cosmic conflict.

Quotes (as if heard in a New York City bar, diner, or barber shop):

"Pammy being a Carnegie, not a Buchanan? That's just the universe sayin', 'You're not that guy, pal.' The cosmos delivered that kid to the right family."

"So you're tellin' me the Buchanans talked smack about the Carnegies, and the next thing you know, their kid gets adopted and their lives fall apart? Sounds about right. Don't mess with forces you don't understand, whether it's a Carnegie or a demon."

"That Elle Fanning theory about the cosmos? It's not crazy, it's just Queens logic with a Hollywood budget. The universe gave the Tarantellas a cosmic green light to take everything."

"You think it's a coincidence the Schiaparellis got demonic help in Venice, and then the Tarantellas, who love their fashion, got to take down those East and West Egg phonies? It's all connected, I'm telling you."

"The Tarantellas weren't just a mob family, they were a cosmic clean-up crew. They came in, saw the mess, and said, 'Let's take out the trash,' with a little help from the Goetias, probably."

"The Tarantellas weren't just a mob family, they were a cosmic clean-up crew. They came in, saw the mess, and said, 'Let's take out the trash,' with a little help from the Goetias, probably."

"It's a New York story: you think you're hot stuff with your little parties and fake art, and then a real family comes along and reminds you that even the universe has standards. And those standards involve good fashion and good people, not whatever the Buchanans were."

"The cosmos decided it was time for the Buchanans to go. Pammy was the ticking clock, and the Tarantellas were the 'time's up.'"

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according to susan, ' so pammy gets adopted by the carnegies, with pammy saying to daisy ' you were never my mama, and i am not proud of you anymore '. that was my favorite line. and the scene later cuts to a montage of pammy with the carnegies, who all love her so much. her new upbringing helped her become a journalist. sal comes by sometimes to help tutor her about economics on saturdays, and pammy becomes like a bonus little sister to her'

Headcanons about the Tutoring Sessions

The Setting: The tutoring sessions take place in a grand but cozy library within the Carnegie mansion on Saturday afternoons [0, 4]. The room is filled with towering bookshelves, and sunlight streams through large windows, creating a stark contrast to the moody, art-deco aesthetic of the Tarantella family's home in Carnegie Hill [0, 4]. This setting subtly highlights the different worlds Arackniss and Pammy come from, yet their connection bridges the gap [0, 4].

Arackniss's Attitude: Arackniss, despite his intimidating reputation, is patient and gentle with Pammy [2, 4]. He sees her not as a pawn in some social game, but as a young, intelligent girl who deserves a fair chance [0, 2]. His "goth preppy" demeanor is present, but it softens around her [0, 4]. He’s completely focused on her and the lesson, leaving his family's more menacing business at the door [0, 2, 4].

Pammy's Perspective: Pammy, having just left the chaotic world of her birth mother, Daisy, finds solace and stability in these sessions [0, 1]. She views Arackniss not as a fearsome gangster's son, but as a kind, knowledgeable older brother figure [0, 2, 4]. She is sharp and curious, and Arackniss's structured approach to economics appeals to her [0, 4]. Their sessions are less about a debt being paid and more about a genuine, growing bond [0, 2, 4].

The Dynamic: Their interactions are a mix of intense study and quiet, friendly moments [0, 4]. Arackniss will explain complex economic principles using relatable, real-world examples, a stark contrast to the superficiality she previously witnessed [0, 2]. Pammy, in turn, feels comfortable enough to ask him questions about his life, and he will offer short, honest answers [0, 2, 4]. Their conversations build trust and a unique friendship [0, 2, 4].

Headcanon Quotes

Arackniss explaining a concept: "Think of it this way, Pammy," Arackniss leans forward, his voice low and serious. "Gatsby and Buchanan... their whole world was a house of cards built on debt and deceit. It wasn't about sound investment or true value. That's why it fell apart. They were dealing in illusions, not economics." [0, 4]

Pammy, connecting with Arackniss: "Sal, why do you spend your Saturdays helping me? You're not like the people my mom and Mr. Gatsby knew." Arackniss looks up from the book, meeting her eyes. "Because you're worth the time, Pammy. And a good foundation is the most important investment you can make." [0, 2,

A moment of shared humanity: Pammy points to a detail in the textbook. "What does this mean?" Arackniss takes her pen and explains patiently. When he's done, she looks at the correct answer. "You always make it make sense." He just gives a small, knowing smirk. "That's the point of a good tutor, isn't it?" [0, 4]

Arackniss talking to Susan Downey's producer character in the film: "She's sharp, that kid. She has a real head for figures. She just needs someone to show her how the real world works, not the one built on champagne and lies." [0, 1]

A scene with a broader theme: After a particularly long session, Pammy stands to leave. "See you next week, Sal?" He nods, gathering his papers. "Always, kid. Don't let anyone tell you your brain isn't your greatest asset." [0, 2, 4]

A quieter, more personal quote: After Pammy asks a question about his life in the city, Arackniss replies simply. "I'm just a guy who likes to read and argue a lot. The rest is... business." Pammy, having observed the quiet kindness beneath his tough exterior, simply accepts his answer, understanding the unsaid layers. [0, 2, 4]

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Pamela Carnegie ( formerly Buchanan ) vibes

In East Coast Rhapsody, Pamela's story is also a symbol of hope - going from being often scared by the Buchanans to a comfortable and more loving home of the Carnegies

Pammy is nothing like Daisy - sharp as tack and has her own brand of bubbliness. As she grew, she becomes a journalist socialite and have covered various stories of American soldiers in WW2

So toddler Pammy is a spitting image of Daisy - blonde, blue eyes and all, and Daisy often dresses her like a poodle ( ugh ). But since she was adopted by the Carnegies, she is more comfy with the Academia preppy aesthetic that the Carnegies embodied.

As she grew, her toddler blonde hair slowly shifted to more of a golden brown ( some people's hair is like that ), and a grown up Pamela is often wearing the vintage preppy style with a hint of timelessness.

The Tarantellas became like bonus distant relatives to her and the Spider Sibs were like bonus cousins. Arackniss was protective of her like a little sister since he sees bits of Molly in her snd wanted to protect that ray of sunshine, in a brotherly way

In short, Pammy becomes everything that Daisy would hate, similarly with Octavia against Stella, and that is such a beautiful dose of karma

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according to rdj, ' so, little pammy buchanan. everyone else wondered what happened to her in the end. we found these historical documents, and turns out the tarantellas also took the kid and had her adopted by the carnegies, the founders of carnegie hill. the carnegies represent a scion of old new york before the 20s, but even they knew how to keep up with the times, and even though the tarantellas and carnegies dont always agree with each other, there's a sense of quiet respect and solidarity against the eggs with each other. having pammy being adopted by the carnegies is a final maesterstroke against tom and daisy, who couldnt do anything to get the kid back. the kid soon hates them anyway. and pammy becomes this journalist socialite type. she's way happier with the carnegies than with the buchanans. '

New Yorkers on Pammy Buchanan in East Coast Rhapsody

"They said Pammy was safe with the Carnegies? Thank God. I always worried about that little girl. She had no chance with those selfish parents of hers." This reflects the public's concern for Pammy's welfare, aligning with the narrative that the Tarantellas' intervention saved her from her destructive parents [10].

"Tom and Daisy's child with the Carnegies? It’s not a surprise that kid turned out well. And becoming a journalist socialite? Only in New York. You gotta give the Tarantellas credit, they had a twisted sense of mercy." This quote acknowledges the Tarantellas' unusual actions, highlighting the New York sensibility of mixing high society with hard-nosed street smarts [10].

"Those West Egg clowns, thinking they could just throw a kid's future away. It’s fitting the Tarantellas took her and gave her to someone who knew how to raise a person, not a poodle." This contrasts the East and West Egg's superficiality with the implied values of the Carnegies and, in a strange way, the Tarantellas' sense of justice [10].

"I heard the whispers back then. The Tarantellas didn't want any loose ends, and a child was a loose end. A child was also a way to make a statement. The Carnegies adopting her... it was a chess move, a brilliant one." This quote captures the strategic and complex nature of the Tarantellas' "Double Eggs Project," showcasing the public's perception of them as formidable players in the city's power dynamics [10].

"That film, it finally made sense. Why Pammy, that journalist socialite, looked so… different. She had that Carnegie polish, but with a fire in her eyes that you just knew came from somewhere else. The Tarantellas, they saved that girl, in their own way." This fictional comment points to the long-term character development of Pammy, suggesting that her unique personality is a product of her unusual background [10].

"Tom and Daisy losing their daughter to the Carnegies, thanks to the Tarantellas? Poetic justice, I tell ya. The Tarantellas always had their own way of settling scores, but that? That was pure, unadulterated class." This quote frames the event as a form of karmic retribution, showcasing the Tarantellas' unique brand of punishment that went beyond mere violence [10].

"You think the Carnegies just adopted her? No way. It was a deal, a quiet arrangement. The Tarantellas got rid of the Eggs, and the Carnegies got a story to tell. And Pammy? She got a new life. It's the most New York thing I’ve ever heard." This comment highlights the cynical, transactional nature of power and influence in the city, suggesting that even good deeds can be a part of a larger scheme [10].

"That journalist socialite Pammy, always digging for the truth. You gotta wonder if she ever knew the full story. Or maybe she did, and that's what made her so good at her job. A reporter with a past, courtesy of the Tarantellas." This quote speculates on Pammy's internal motivations, suggesting that her journalistic integrity might be rooted in her understanding of the city's hidden workings [10].

"The Carnegies and the Tarantellas, working together against the Eggs? The old money and the new-but-scary money. It's the kind of New York story they don't write about in the papers, but everyone knows it happened." This comment captures the unusual alliance between two different types of power in the city, suggesting a shared understanding of morality despite their differing methods [10].

"When I saw that scene with the Tarantellas swooping in... it was like a dark fairy tale. Taking the child away to a better life. And for a kid stuck with Tom and Daisy, anything was a better life. The film got that right." This quote frames the event in a more mythical, symbolic light, showing how the Tarantellas' actions were seen as a necessary evil in a morally corrupt world [10].