#pro nondisordered systems

[thegendersplus-sys]

A Rant About Research

I absolutely fucking HATE when SINGLETS ( ofc this is talking about ones that are anti-endo because we have mixed origins ) have fucking OPINIONS ON SYSTEMS WITHOUT EXTENSIVE RESEARCH OF ***BOTH*** DISORDERD AND NON-DISORDERED SYSTEMS AS WELL AS TRAUMAGENIC AND ENDOGENIC PLURALITY.

Listen to all sides, read and consider the research given ( as well as the legitimacy of the sources,, ie is it out of date / written by someone with a degree / by someone who is plural / etc. ) before you have an opinion based on only one side of the story.

This rule should honestly go for almost everything. Wondering what belief system is right for you? Research multiple religions and belief systems. Curious about theories? Research if there's reliable facts to support them. Thinking about getting vaccinated but are worried because of all the things antivaxxers say? Look at sources published by clinics, hospitals, and just registered doctors in general.

It's that simple. Don't know where to start because it all feels daunting? Have a friend there so it doesn't feel as daunting! Or make a list of things to search, and stuff to check if it's a reliable source ( .com / .org / .edu doesn't mean shit!!!! ) Ways to check credibility are under the cut for the sake of not making the post too long.

Screenshots sourced from @jesterattack and screenshotted due to being a reblog of an anti-endo's post

( here's a link to the post btw not that jester blocked one of our accts bc of they're now dating an anti-endo who converted them into being an anti when they were originally pro-endo 💔😭 -> https://www.tumblr.com/jesterattack/817138319566749696/how-to-determine-if-the-source-is-credible-1-is )( major L for the pro-endo community,, I hate when this shit fucking happens )

[calling-out-the-irony]

Paramisic Anti-Willo / Anti-Endo

[ Highlighted Text: I won't respect DNI (do not interact) when they think people's existence isn't real, or read the links, think about yourself, become a better person, nobody is asking you to join a cult ffs (for fuck's sake); you're a predator by allowing children on your fetish blog; cultish behavior, encourage and refuse responsibility, actively seeking out people like those who have disorders; this is totally normal, here's the article that's not official or helpful at all to spread misinformation; it's only an issue if it's you, when it comes to other people, look like the victim and cry wolf, being a hateful person; they're learning things about themselves and are expressing themselves without hurting anyone; we only make posts of you to tell you to stop, at least not in a hostile way, only joking and shitposting, stop being delusional. ]

WOW there is a lot wrong with this one, folks! Firstly, I'd like to say that "allowing minors on a fetish blog" isn't inherently bad. Most kinks and fetishes are paraphilias, and beings between the ages of 13-17 should also be allowed to safely explore what they like since that's typically around the time of starting puberty.

Secondly, I will say that not listing if they themselves are an adult or not on such a blog can be unsafe for everyone. Minors should be allowed to explore, but not within the same spaces as adults. However, it is highly implied by them saying "Minors interact with caution" that they are an adult and the rest of the bio makes it clear what type of blog it is. Someone in the kink community not stating their exact age doesn't automatically make them a predator, especially when they themselves are not purposely interacting with minors in a way that's predatory.

Now that the paramisia and anti-kink bullshit is out of the way, it's time to talk about the anti-endo side of this post! "Cultish behavior" is an absurd take from beings (anti-endos) that refuse actual real science, just because it's... "Not official." Like, what is even considered official by you, then? And if you mean studies done by people who are legally scientists / doctors / psychologists, then you did not look at the sources we provide. It's true that some surveys are conducted by people that don't have degrees, but why does that matter? It's about collecting data to show and provide information about all types of plurality for those scientists.

Let me also point out that "looking like the victim and playing wolf," "targeting people with disorders," and "spreading misinformation" is exactly what anti-endos do, even if they don't realize it. In the same post, they state that, "they're learning about themselves and are expressing themselves without harming anyone," which is exactly what non-traumagenic systems and other plural-adjacent beings are doing. Not to mention, "we only make posts telling you to stop" while simultaneously admitting that they attack being's identities "only in a joking and shitposting way." Yeah that's just called bullying and then playing victim when we call it out.

And to end it off, they tell beings to "stop being delusional" as if that's not literally just a part of plurality. Telling someone who experiences delusions to not be delusional is not only absurd, but can be extremely dangerous and harmful. Yet you say you're not harming anyone? The irony is unparalleled...

Below the cut is the bio of the blog in the first image. ( solely for the purpose of not making this post longer than it already is )

Anyways, shout out to @lateralliminality because we think they're awesome and they deserve recognition 💗

Note that we DO NOT condone / promote harassing anyone regardless of their beliefs! Just block and move on if you wish.

[aronarchy]

Sysmeds seem to be completely unable to be critical of the DSM or anything else they read if it’s “official,” lol.

The fight to exclude non-distressed impairment from definitions of disorder is a hard-fought ongoing battle by disability activists.

Currently, what is considered “functioning wrong” is determined entirely by (white Western) standards of what is “bad functioning”: when something goes against a set notion of what the body should be like/do. Once again sysmeds (like certain other bigoted/exclusionist/identity-invalidating/-disbelieving groups) essentialize the “default” human body (or what they consider the default) at the expense of individual needs and desires and experiences. If the body/mind is working “wrongly,” but the individual is okay with it and not distressed by it, where’s the issue? Why is it an illness, why does it need to be “fixed”?

Consider that not everyone aligns with the expected default regarding what they want and feel in comparison to what their body/mind is doing. And that is okay.

Major strawman/edge case there: anti-sysmedicalists have never said that the distress we discuss is “distress from knowing you have DID (they’re probably thinking of people feeling despair/internalized stigma).” We acknowledge that you can be in distress from experiencing DID while unaware/in denial of it. Not what this is about. If you “have parts” but are not in distress, it is not DID.

If someone “experiences issues” with relationships/work, that means they are distressed by it. But distress has to be evaluated in isolation: is their distress caused by having alters itself, or the alters fighting/switching a lot but not having alters itself (as in, if the fighting & frequent switching were addressed there would no longer be any distress), or is it because they are forced to do relationships/work because of society/capitalism forcing them into distressing situations they would not experience if they had choice in a liberated world?

Unless they aren’t distressed, but still do relationships/work in a way normative society considers “wrong”/rulebreaking/inefficient/whatever, and go through that totally aware and fine with it, and although they are incapable of forcing themselves to conform they are totally fine with not conforming. In which, once again, the problem would be with external society alone, not the way their brain works itself.

Perhaps think for a damn second before you start saying “disorder is when you can’t be a good little capitalist stooge on the assembly line being as productive as your peers even if you don’t have a problem with that as long as your bosses do.” Perhaps consider where that rhetoric likely came from, and who would benefit from it.

(Note: I’m not saying situations 1 or 2 would not qualify as DID/disordered. But clarifications.)

Seems like sysmeds on average/mostly consider autism inherently a disorder. But why would my autism be a disorder, if in an accommodating and non-stigmatizing world I would not experience any distress from the fact that I have it, and all the distress I experience right now is allowed to be because of/caused by external factors? (Obviously every autistic person has different experiences. But also, obviously, nuance exists.)

I do have actual disorders and the experience is quite different, they’re mostly hell with a few occasional reprieves (though I’m kind of recovering and have been doing better these past few months) but yeah, I’m extremely pissed off at medicalists trying to equate the two experiences. I (personally) would greatly appreciate if I had the option to make them/their symptoms go away entirely, as they’re quite unpleasant. I think it's quite ridiculous that certain people would claim experiencing that is equivalent to merely experiencing abnormality/non-normativity/divergence/difference.

Going to (shamelessly) self-promote my essay here, I scribbled it down at 2am two months ago and have been too low on spoons to edit out any potentially undesirable bits but I’m too tired of explaining the same things over and over and it’s reasonably comprehensive.

This post is not about origins, it is about currently experienced effects. Do not complain about this post being pro-/anti-endo, I’m pro-endo but that’s not really relevant to this.