#pro-endogenic

[believeinthe-enemy]

Keep seeing anti-endos claiming that they’re "reclaiming" the term plural and actively using plural tags… I am baffled everyday

[anendoandfriendo]

If "idrc about trans people" or " i'm neutral about trans people" would piss you off so should "idrc about endogenics" and "I'm neutral on endogenic systems"

We actually ARE tagging this and pinging folks since a lotta people need to hear this and that's the best we can think to do if @sophieinwonderland or @syscourse101 wanna rb.

We mean, the bigoted fuckers who'll complain about us are gonna get blocked and the silent ones will just...have something to think about now re: their bigotry or block us anyways lmao.

[rusanya-does-edits]

Fuck you, pro-endogenic stimboard. Good luck being ableist and bigoted when your anon privileges are blocked. :3

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[bluemoonsystemrq]

We tried ampersand and then immediately deleted/uninstalled it, because the assumption that "roles" are an inherent part of systems and that it is a default fillout rather than a custom fillout is bullshit.

System "roles", as far as we are concerned, really only serve singlet hedgemony by boxing us into a single dimension to make us, as PEOPLE, more digestible to them (singlets). Your external best friend is not defined as solely "the one who cries a lot and acts childish, so she must be a little!!!" and, speaking of littles, it's fucking weird for a trait like someone's age (transID or chrono) to be used as a "role" the way someone would use a shield.

Assuming roles are integral to systems, as a whole, makes you a fucking sysmedicalist. YOU can use them: but ask yourself why you feel the need to, first.

And we know sysmedicalists are going to get on our ass for this, pull us out of context, and the like — which only further proves our point for those who would actually search for the context and question the social norms around them. We win either way, we find like-minded systems, people start tearing down the bullshit institutions around us, or we make people INTENSELY uncomfortable having to be confronted with their own internalized plurmisia.

TLDR: roles, at the core, are a facet of exploitation and a way to make it easier for singlets to forcibly integrate systems again. You will NOT change our mind on this.

[ambrosia-system]

not willogenic but weirdly willogenic ideas and advice have helped me a lot and given me some level of hope now that i am firmly pro-endo (and not in a “they probably have DID and just don’t remember their trauma” way like i was before)

as someone w really bad denial who wants more than anything to not be alone in their brain, the idea that if i just try and keep trying, i can bring forward new or existing members in my system, is kind of comforting? like, if someone can start from NOTHING and form headmates, then certainly i— someone who supposedly already has them— can do the same. certainly i can not be alone forever.

which is really interesting to me, because, initially in my syscovery, the idea of willogenic systems was really distressing. i had a mindset of “well, if i’m not a system, then i’m going to try to turn myself into one” while simultaneously believing that wasn’t at all possible, so it just felt like any attempt to talk to someone who may or may not have existed was “delusional” or otherwise not real. but now i’m a lot more normal, i think.

[femcelraccoon]

turns out my opp who doesn’t know he’s an opp is actually proship. good one opp. now lets try being nicer to endos and transids

I don’t know why im posting this

[eeveecraft]

This Blog's Stance on Radqueers

Just had to block an account saying that you can't be pro-endo but be against radqueers. Why? Well, I recently discovered what a radqueer is, and I'd like to enlighten you, so you don't make the mistake of mistaking them for something they're not.

What's a Radqueer?

Well, if we input that question into a search engine:

The fact that the fucking MAP Wiki pops up as the third result is already concerning!

This is what the Radqueer Wiki states:

Radqueer is the term used to refer to a radical political movement that advocates for paraphiles, transids, and other ostracized identities to be accepted in mainstream queer spaces. The term was originally coined in late 2021 by now deactivated Tumblr user foucault-divine-mephisto as a response to "the puritanism, hypocrisy and general rejection in the Queer community regarding a range of marginalized and stigmatized Queersexualities (paraphilias), internal identities (transage, transabled, transill/transnoso, transpecies, alterhumans/transnonhuman etc) and behaviours (social, sexual eccentricity etc). " Since its original coinage in 2021, the community made a steady increase in popularity, though never branching out of obscurity.

Oh? Paraphilias? You mean... as the National Library of Medicine defines it:

Paraphilias are persistent and recurrent sexual interests, urges, fantasies, or behaviors of marked intensity involving objects, activities, or even situations that are atypical in nature. Although not innately pathological, a paraphilic disorder can evolve if paraphilia invokes harm, distress, or functional impairment on the lives of the affected individual or others. A total of eight Paraphilias are listed in the DSM V and include pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, sexual sadism, sexual masochism, frotteurism, fetishism, and transvestic fetishism.[1]

If you thought zoophilia was missing, don't worry, it's under "Other specified paraphilic disorder," as stated in this Advances in Psychiatric Treatment paper.

Oh. Yeah, including those paraphilias. So... why are we wanting to allow people with conditions that makes them far more likely to hurt children and animals into queer spaces? And if you think the Radqueer Wiki isn't also including paraphilic disorders in the definition, well, here's one of the definitions from the good ol' MAP Wiki:

RadQueer is unconditionally inclusive of: ALL trans-x/transid identities (and supports all their social and medical transitions) ALL paraphilias and the multiplicity of their related contact stances (anti-contact, complex-contact, neutral-contact, restricted-contact, pro-contact). — Pro-c’s on “potentially harmful paraphilias” (if acted upon) are completely welcomed in the RadQueer community if they stay behaviorally non-offending/non-active. Ex-offenders are welcomed too! Debating on contact stances is totally acceptable as long as it doesn’t directly incites to committing offenses ~

Oh? You're skeptical because that's from the goddamn MAP Wiki? Fair enough. This one's from Radqueer Info's carrd:

Here's more elaboration from their FAQ:

So, to summarize: a radqueer is someone who is accepting of ALL paraphilias, including paraphilic disorders, and other "controversial" identities. There's other things they accept that are eyebrow-raising at minimum, but let's stay on topic.

Why is This Bad?

Let me make it clear, as the National Library of Medicine stated, paraphilias are not inherently harmful. It's paraphilic disorders like pedophilia and zoophilia where it leads to the harm of others or the person with the disorder is when it becomes an issue. Being accepting of paraphilic disorders can normalize these behaviors and also convince the person with the disorder that they don't need help. This is like MAPs saying fucking pedophilia belongs under the queer umbrella, and hopefully, you all know why that is a massive fucking NOPE.

Conflating queerness with literal disorders that compel a person to harm children, animals, and/or non-consenting adults is quite frankly, fucking insulting. Being queer does NOT make you more likely to harm others, it does NOT urge you to harm others. A grown dude consensually having sex with another consenting grown dude is NOT the same as a grown man violating a child, period, I can't believe I have to fucking state this.

And just to draw back to my original statement, this is also NOT the fucking same as being pro-endogenic. Endogenic systems, like queer people, are NOT more likely to harm others because they're endogenic. Does me having five Dragons in my head make me more likely to torture some non-consenting person for sexual gratification? No. But if I'm sexually attracted to such a prospect, then yes, that makes it more likely for me to do it.

Notice the language I've used throughout this post, I'm saying having these disorders makes you more likely to engage in harmful behaviors, it does NOT guarantee someone with these disorders WILL do these horrible things. Experiencing attraction is not a crime, nor do thought crimes exist, but acting on this attraction is. A pedophile is not an inherently evil person, but they become one when they act on their attraction and ruin a child's life for good. Same goes with other paraphilic disorders.

Instead of being allowed into the queer community and offered the same acceptance as non-disordered identities, these people should be redirected into getting treatment and help before they do end up causing irreversible harm. However, if they haven't done any harm, they shouldn't be demonized and harassed. Harassing and demonizing these people just causes them to recede further into harmful thinking and behaviors, and it will cause them to seek solace with other people who will encourage that thinking (Think of the "MAP Pride" movement as reference).

And especially with "accepting" these paraphilic disorders, it allows communities based around them to form, which allows echo chambers to form that can make someone with a paraphilic disorder even MORE likely to become a perpetrator. It's like being around a bunch of binge drinkers. If you're around a bunch of binge drinkers for long enough, you're far more likely to start binge drinking yourself.

So yeah! You can absolutely be pro-endogenic and anti-radqueer. I'm anti, "Allowing people who are at higher risk for harming people on the same level as queer people." Like, do you not see how harmful of a connotation that is? It's equating queerness to literal disorders, harmful disorders at that. And after all the queer community's done to prove we AREN'T disordered/inherently harmful, conflating that with paraphilic disorders that are defined by harm is such a slap to the face.

Conclusion

There's other issues with the radqueer label that I could bring up, but this post is long enough as it is, and I hope the stuff I have listed is enough reason already to not like this label. It is important to be inclusive, but not inclusive to the point where innocent people are harmed because of it. Now that I know what radqueer actually is, I'm definitely concerned by their presence in the endogenic tags, and I don't think it's a good idea to welcome them with open arms.

If we happen to have any radqueer followers, I really hope you read this post in full and see where I'm coming from. If you still don't agree, you're free to unfollow! I don't want people who are fine with allowing people with paraphilic disorders in queer spaces instead of encouraging them to get help following this blog.

7-19-2024

[sunshower-build-a-headmate]

Should we create a system blog? We've seen many others with them, and have admittedly been nervous about having one due to the possibility of fakeclaiming and harassment, but we also want to branch out of our small server and friend group some more and share who we are to others. I'm sure people would be quite interested to learn about us as a whole.

Any thoughts or advice?

-Semyazza Requiem