#troll quadrants

[berrygrof]

happy valentines day

[fortuneiv]

Can you make moirail themed graphics?

Moirallegiance Themed Graphics

f2u w/o cred. this one was highly requested!

[kpytooleg666]

My favorite ♠

[tumbleofdorks]

When the trio is actually, in fact, a fully functional Troll quad.

[kechoban]

2upp, iid liike two 2ay that ii really liike the concept of 'ne2tiing' iin your fiic.

ii thiink iit2 weiird how 2ometiime2 people act liike moiirallegiience ii2nt a romantiic relatiion2hiip, and moiiraiils are just 2uper good friiends, rather than romantiic partners.

ok miild rant over;; que2tiion tiime, diid you come up wiith ne2tiing or ii2 iit liike a fandom thiing iim ju2t not famiiliiar wiith. okay bye.

Yeah, people tend to rationalize quadrants since it's more easy for us as humans with a single construct for romantic and sexual relationships.

Moiralleagience is easily mixed up with platonic human friendship because it's the type of human feeling that we're used to (Or at least is the more socially acceptable). But as you said it is a type of romance and troll quadrants are more like polyamourous groupings with different interactions and behaviours. It's also just my point of view of this red ashen quadrant.

As for the nesting, it is something that exists in the "Omegaverse" genre, but I am not a follower of the omegaverse per se. I'm just a poser if we could call it that. I did not invent the term "nesting" but you could say I twisted the concept and made "troll nesting" a thing of their own. This troll nesting doesn't really involve sexual intercourse and it's just a setting for a pheromone induced troll to snuggle with and feel "loved" by the nest handler.

I like to think that nesting is a rare practice that needs a strongly rooted moiraillegience. Trolls would hug, cuddle and smooch each other for comfort and physical craving in these settings, as some of the ones withouth a matespritship quadrant filled could become touch starved.

[torturedcreator]

The Values of Moirallegiance

Okay, so I’ve been pretty stressed lately so I’m just going to ramble about how I view moirallegiance.

The first thing I want to talk about is how: MOIRALLEGIANCE IS ROMANTIC. Too often I see people describing it as the bro quadrant, legitemately, unlike how whichever character calls it to enrage Karkat in the comics. What really ends up bothering me now though is this: it’s so oftenly used as a midway point between just friends and matespritship.

Never mind that it concerns a totally different part of the human (or i guess troll) experience, it’s treated as just the path to a greater thing, it has no value but what it can get you to: “pure human romance”.

This is especially prevalent in davekat fics, wherein they are both so concerned about their own queerness regarding sexual attraction, suddenly have no problem being romantic with each other (again, with moirallegiance being treated as if it was the friendship quadrant).

It’s used as a tool to get them to be physically close with eachother without revealing their true feelings. That’s not really moirallegiance.

The people that don’t write Karkat as panquadromantic/panquadrant and just like to write him as vacillating do this so often, and it feels so much like they’re just projecting human experience onto it (which in the end I understand, I do not guilt any writers for doing this because I do find it interesting anyways most of the time, it’s just in the ideal portrayal of it I see it differently).

I think this also ties into the fact that, moirallegiance is about learning to be a better person. What happens in most fanfiction is that: all the characters are saints unless they’re vriska or whatever other controvertial character you think of.

If the relationship doesn’t require the pacification of a highblood rage, it mostly just turns into a cesspool of vulnerability that never ends in any of the characters progressing (unless they reveal their insecurities, which are then validated and reaffirmed).

Since there is such a fear of writing imperfect, actually imperfect and not Mary Sue insecure characters, who’s only flaws are: omg i dont feel beautiful, omg im so stupid, omg im a horrible person (they’re not), etc. Then the potential for moirallegiance loses so much of its spark.

I’m not saying that writers should stop writing those kinds of stories, again, it’s not anyones responsibility to satisfy my prticular hc about it, and I know how important those kinds of stories can be for other people. But if anyone were to ever write a pale romance novel, to make it really interesting the characters would have to have a myriad of flaws.

I also think it’s interesting to see it tied into kissmessitude more. Pitch romance is also one of the ways that characters build each other up: they are confident in each other’s potential and will push their kissmessis into being better through competition. Moirallegiance is a way to do that, but through confrontation.

While kissmessis take an indirect approach to bettering their partner: goading, attracting them to a goal, making the other jealous, moirallegiance makes one come face to face with the obstacle.

I don’t really know if I had anything else to add, but the summary is this: moirallegiance is undervalued and misrepresented most of the time. It’s treated as a relationship wherein both prtners have to constantly reassure and cheer up the other, and not a relationship where they tackle the mistakes they’ve made, the roots of all their actions, what drives them, really (and what makes them sad or anxious too). It saddens me to see moirallegiance, a direct window into the characters psyche, being used as the midway point to matespritship, when they are actually seperate and distinct end goals of romance.

[tigerbears]

Homestuck Shower Thoughts: How would aromanticism apply to troll kismesissitudes?

Like, the asexual equivalent is easy to conceptualize. But how would aromanticism apply to caliginous romance? The only conclusion I could come to is maybe there'd be a distinction between platonic hate and romantic hate?

So an aromantic kismesissitude would still retain sexual attraction, but would instead be based around platonic hate instead of romantic hate?

Either that or maybe by definition caliginous relationships requires the romantic hate? So an aromantic kismesissitudes is an inherent contraction when an aromantic caliginous individual can feel little to no black romantic attraction?

[30-rats-in-a-trenchcoat]