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It's so amazing having new Undertale lore.

Gerson x Human Magician lore warms my heart so much...

He had to say goodbye to their friend/lover/spouse? They sealed the monsters away with their magic to protect them... 😭😭😭

Also, love watching chat going insane...

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I can't wait to see all the new art, comics, animations, fanfics... there is just enough new lore from these two days of livestreams to fuel another 10 years of fandom creation!

Happy 10 years everyone! ✨️☺️❤️🏆✨️

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What Is Frisks Age?

Frisks age is a widely debated topic in the Undertale community. It’s never really specifically stated so it can be hard to get definitive info on it. However I believe I’ve found a proper conclusion to this debate.

Frisks Physical Features

One thing that can help us define Frisks age is there physical features. They are a short person who’s somewhat chubby. 

These things are characteristics of a young child. Their canon height is very short as well, being even shorter than Sans. 

All of Frisks canon artwork/concept art also depicts them being incredibly short. 

They’re even shown to be as small as Papyrus’ boots. 

This also seems to imply a decently young age based off of height and physical appearance alone. However we also have to take some other factors into account, such as their characteristics.

Frisks Characteristics 

While height and physical appearance added to our proof there’s still their characteristics that need to be discussed. Frisk is constantly referred to in a childlike manner. Chara sings them a nursery rhyme,

which would be strange if they weren’t decently young. Chara also calls them cute (No this isn’t a ship post, shoo charisk shippers).

But not only does Chara refer to them as if they were a young child but the other characters do as well. Characters constantly call them “child” or “kid”. 

Undyne even says that she isn’t “Frisks kindergarten teacher”. 

With all this in mind I think it’s safe to say that Frisk is a young child somewhere between 6-8 years old. 

TL;DR

In conclusion Frisk is likely somewhere between 6-8 years old based off of their physical appearance and childlike characteristics. 

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Why Undyne doesn’t attack Frisk from the start

Undyne notices Frisk’s presence as soon as they move after either finishing her meeting with Papyrus or understanding that he won’t show up.

She saw them, Frisk is right in front of her, she has the high ground and she has every opportunity to throw as many spears at the defenseless human as she wants.

Even monster kid points out that Undyne was staring at Frisk, she was considering doing it.

So why didn’t she ? This would be a golden opportunity to strike down the human wouldn’t it ?

The answer to this question actually comes from the phone calls after befriending Undyne, when calling her in this room, she states the following :

After confirming that she did indeed see Frisk and wanted to kill them on the spot, she explains that the reason she didn’t was because Frisk happened to be hiding in sea-grass under scientific protection.

This isn’t the only time the grass stops her either.

During the first chase scene, Undyne suddenly stops throwing spears once Frisk starts hiding in the grass.

Instead, she tries to find them on foot only to give up shortly.

When calling Undyne in this room, she once again calls out out the grass as the reason why she did this rather than continuing to throw spears everywhere.

This seems a bit strange from Undyne, why does she care about this grass so much that getting the last human soul monsters need still wouldn’t be enough of a reason to destroy it if necessary ?

It is because Alphys is the one who needs this grass and put it under scientific protection. She needs it in order to get this machine to work and produce this pink substance.

So what exactly does this grass allow Alphys to make ? What is this weird substance ?

...Thank you Alphys. Good job.

Well Undyne seems to like it at least, unlike normal ice cream.

[unidentifiedflyingchoco]

Chara Laughs To Hide Pain

“I should have laughed it off, like you did...”. One single line with so much misinformation surrounding it. This line is interpreted in many ways, but only one of these interpretations is accurate, the one that claims that Chara is laughing to cope with pain. Here are the reasons why this interpretation best reflects canon lore.

The Majority Of Undertale’s Cast Copes Through Laughter

While it may be easy to write Chara off as a cold and unfeeling child at first, we have to look at the other instances of laughing in Undertale.

Toriel laughs when we kill her,

Undyne smiles as her body is fading away,

Mettaton smiles right before he explodes, 

Sans jokes around as he’s dying,

Two npcs in Snowdin comment on how everyone laughs to cope,

Snowdrakes Dad laughs about being a terrible father,

and this isn’t even every instance of this happening, this is only the main examples. Now we need to look at when Chara laughs and analyze why they were laughing.

Every Instance In Which Chara Laughs And The Context Behind Each One

To truly understand why Chara is laughing as a coping mechanism we have to look at every instance of them doing so. The first being in tape #3 in the true lab. 

Chara and Asriel are talking about when they accidentally poisoned their father, Asgore. Asriel comments on how he should’ve “laughed it off like Chara did”. Chara is laughing in this instance because they feel terrible for getting their Dad sick. They’re trying to make light out of a hard situation. This is proven by the fact that Chara chose to die the same way they poisoned their father, which from a psychological standpoint shows that they felt guilty and thought that the only way they could redeem themselves is through dying the same way someone they cared for almost did. It’s also worth noting that “laughing something off” could simply mean not taking something as seriously as it is. 

Whether or not they actually laughed or not it’s clear they were trying to make light of a hard situation, and likely trying to make the rest of their family not worry as much by doing so. The second instance is during the encounter with Snowdrake’s Mother in the true lab. 

What’s happening here is that due to immense distress from seeing the mother of someone who Chara is implied to have known in such a poor state they disassociate and assume Frisk is laughing. When they realize that Frisk isn’t laughing they say “you didn’t do that?” and then follow up with “But it’s not funny”. As you can see Chara directly states that it’s not funny after they realize what’s going on. This is also meant to be a direct parallel to the previously mentioned dialogue with Snowdrakes Dad. 

The last instance of Chara laughing is during the no mercy route. Chara smiles during encounters,

Chara laughs during the RG01 and RG02 encounter, 

Chara laughs at Flowey,

and Chara smiles when we meet them. 

While this may look bad at first, the actual reason Chara is laughing/smiling during this is quite depressing. As mentioned in this post Chara doesn’t actually enjoy killing. They’re in mental distress during this entire route. They’re watching their friends and family die after all. They start smiling when we encounter a monster because they have no hope left, they realize that we aren’t going to stop so there’s no point in trying anymore, they have to follow us. They laugh at RG01 and RG02 because they’re watching us tear apart a couple. It’s also a reference to the book Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto. 

(This book seems to heavily inspired Chara’s character as well, as it deals with suicide, depression, knives, golden flowers, tea, and a trans character.) Chara laughs at Flowey because they’re watching us try and kill their brother, and we know they don’t really want to kill him because they hesitate before killing him later on. 

The smile Chara adorns when we meet them is the same one that the red demon npc who talks about coping through laughter has.

In both cases this smile is a mask, hiding the fact that the one who wields it has given up hope, they’ve surrendered to a cruel world and would rather hide themselves than deal with the pain they’re experiencing. In the case of the no mercy route, Chara has given up hope for a happy ending, for a way to stop us on our killing spree, and they’ve submitted to their purpose, power.

The Migospel Truth

So how do we definitively know that Chara laughs to cope? Look no further than the enemy, Migospel. This monster is a hard mode exclusive that is a replacement for Migosp. It acts differently in private then it does around other monsters, just like Migosp. The catch is that its way darker than you’d think it’d be. 

Migospel laughs to hide its pain around its friends and then when it’s alone it drops its ruse.  Here’s some of the other lines it can say via the Undertale wiki.

Now let’s take a closer look at what the name “Migospel” actually means. It appears to be a combination of the words “Mime” and “Gospel”. The “Mime” half of their name suggests that they’re mimicking something, or rather, someone. While “Gospel” would typically have religious connotations it also refers to a hyperbole for something that is true. So essentially Migospel is “A Mimic Of The Truth”. They are emulating the true behavior of another character. That character is Chara. Still not convinced? Look no further than this parallel:

TL;DR

In conclusion Chara laughs to hide the pain, this is evident by the other uses of laughing as a coping mechanism in Undertale, the situations in which Chara laughs and the context behind them, and the fact that Migospel is a parallel to Chara. 

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Who Is The Mysterious “Someone Else” We Call Out To In Asriel’s Battle?

At the ending of Frisks battle against Asriel we have to reach out to SAVE someone, but is it really Asriel? Further examination of the text claims otherwise.

The Identity Of “Someone Else”

Before we can answer this question we have to ask ourselves when “someone else” appears and what circumstances causes them to do this. 

“Someone else” appears after we’ve saved all of our other friends. They resonate within “the soul” and call out to us. 

There’s multiple key details here that help us analyze and successfully find who this person is. The first thing worth noting is the depiction of the soul this person is calling from. 

Our Soul

The soul this person is calling from is described as “the soul”, which is odd considering that every other time we save someone from Asriel’s soul it’s described as such. 

So why is this instance any different? Well it’s because “someone else” isn’t resonating in Asriel’s soul, it’s resonating in ours. Now who could possibly be resonating inside of our soul? Well you may have caught on already, but “someone else” is the one who’s been helping us through our entire adventure, the one who’s been there every step of the way, the first fallen human, Chara. The game files even refer to Frisks soul as being shared with Chara.  

“You Reach Out And Call Their Name”

“Suddenly you realize, you reach out and call their name”. This line holds so much importance to further proving that the identity of “someone else” is without a doubt Chara. First let’s take a look at how we save our other friends. To save our friends we have to remind them of our memories together. 

Then after this their memories flood back and they are saved. 

So how does this pertain to us calling out to Chara? Well our first memory with them was us calling out their name.

When we called out their name they answered, and that was the beginning of our journey together.

So calling out to “someone else” is us reminding Chara of OUR memories together, and when we call out to “the demon that comes when people call its name” they respond with this:

These are the ending of the same memories Chara shares with us in the intro to the game. They’re giving us the rest of the memories so that we can use them to save Asriel, who we had no memories with to be able to save him in the first place, and after this scene that’s the very thing we do.

This ultimately leads to the barrier breaking, which was the very thing Chara planned to do so long ago. 

Chara’s Memories, Not Asriel’s

Now many people will try to say that these memories belong to Asriel, but this is simply impossible for multiple reasons. The first being that if these were Asriel’s memories they wouldn’t be from Chara’s point of view. It’s impossible for a memory belonging to Asriel to be focusing directly on Chara. Heck, the first panel doesn’t even have Asriel on it, it’s not until the second panel that he shows up.  First panel:

Second panel:

The second reason that these memories belonging to Asriel is impossible is that they play on our screen, it’s us that’s actively witnessing these memories. So how does this work? It works like every other time we see a flashback or memory from Chara. Since they are connected to us we witness it first hand alongside them. Which is why we see these memories playing out in front of us. We don’t see our memories with Alphys or The Dreemurrs play out in front of us, so why would we see Asriel’s? The third reason is that we have seen the beginning of these memories previously via Chara. We first see them in the intro to the game. If you compare the two they’re identical. Here’s the one from the intro: 

and here’s the one from the Asriel battle: 

There’s no visible difference here, the only difference is what comes after. Which is what see in Asriel’s battle. We also hear the audio from this same memory in the dump in waterfall. 

“But Temmie “Confirmed” That These Memories Belonged To Asriel”

In reference to this post it may seem like it debunks this entire theory, however it actually doesn’t. This is because the post claims that “Asriel regains his memories”. However he never lost them, so clearly this post isnt a reflection of canon lore, otherwise it’d say something along the lines of “the sepia sequence when Asriels looks back on his memories with Chara”. They may have originally intended for Asriel to lose his memories like the lost souls, however this was clearly changed. Temmie also made this post while the game was still in development so the scene could have originally been intended to be the situation I mentioned in the previous statement however as previously stated, this was clearly changed.

“room_asrielmemory.xml“

At first the code behind this scene may also seem to “disprove” this theory however that is also false. The code looks like this:

It calls this sequence “room_asrielmemory”, and some people take this as evidence that these memories belong to Asriel. However this is never stated, the code being named “asrielmemory” only indicates that this memory is related or associated to Asriel, not directly owned by him. 

TL;DR

In conclusion the identity of “someone else” in Asriel’s battle is Chara. This is evident by the context of the situation, the way we have previously seen Chara’s memories, and Charas motives behind calling out to us. 

[unidentifiedflyingchoco]

Undertale’s Secret Power

What if I told you there was a secret power in Undertale? One that, despite being scattered through out the game, is not known by almost anyone. Well I’m here today to tell you this secret power, the power of... “a power that I don’t think has a word but is actually really cool please trust me on this”. 

How Does This Power Work?

Now you may be wondering how this power even works or what it is. It’s essentially an ability that is fueled by the emotions of others, and is able to make the user incredibly strong. This is akin to praying from Mother 2 (a game Undertale was heavily inspired by).

Now this may seem far fetched and incoherent however there’s multiple sound examples of this power being used. Such as...

Undyne

Undyne is the most blatant example of this power being used. She even states it herself. 

Undyne is literally using the power of “everyone in the world...” to defeat you. Their hopes, their dreams, that’s how she manages to fight on. She shouldn’t even be able to survive at this point since she’s literally dead. While you may argue this is just determination, this just isn’t the case, as Undyne actually tries to turn into The Undying on a neutral route but fails. 

The reason she fails to transform is because she doesn’t have this secret power working alongside her to fight us. Undyne isn’t even that strong in her undying form, the game files show us that she only has 12 ATK and 5 DEF. The reason her ATK and DEF appear as 99 in the fight however is because that’s the ATK and DEF from the secret power, with Undyne’s being little to nothing. 

Chara

This one is definitely more subtle than with Undyne but the game seems to suggest that Chara uses this power to their advantage as well. You may be asking when Chara uses this power, well it was actually in the context of the ERASE. 

It’s been theorized for ages how the power of the ERASE works but it actually seems as if the power of “everyone’s hearts beating as one” is how Chara is able to do this. The evidence behind this is that when we encounter Chara there’s two separate audio files we hear, mus_zzz_c, and mus_f_wind1.

mus_zzz_c (or alternatively, “The Fallen Child”) plays when we first encounter Chara, it’s accompanied by two sound effects, footsteps and a heartbeat. Does that sound familiar? 

mus_f_wind1 also contributes to this idea, a slowed down version of it plays when we sell our soul to Chara. As the name suggests, the audio is of wind howling. Does that ring a bell? 

Both of these audios that play when we meet Chara are a reference to The Undying fight. Which explains why Chara is able to erase the world in the first place, they’re using the power of everyone wanting to stop us to do just that, end our megalomaniacal spree. This makes even more sense considering they constantly comment on judgement, morality, and how we treated others.

Frisk

Frisk is yet another example of a user of this power. The times we see Frisk use this power are in the context of the Asriel battle. For example Frisk is able to cheat death (like The Undying, another user of this power). 

The reason Frisk is able to do this is because everybody is standing behind them, they’re rooting for them. 

This is why Frisk is able to refuse, the power of everyone’s hearts beating as one, everyone having the same goal of helping them, that’s why they can’t lose. They’re even able to use the power of their friends to help themself.

Asriel

Keeping up with the theme of the Asriel Dreemurr fight here’s our final user of this secret power, Asriel. Asriel may actually use this power alongside the 7 souls in his fight.

Our friends are inside Asriels soul, they’re resonating within him. 

I don’t think it’s impossible for him to be utilizing this power alongside the 7 souls, as it seems as if he could be potentially controlling the lost souls in a sense. He has done the same thing with the human souls in the Flowey X fight after all. This would also explain why he uses certain attacks that don’t belong to him such as Toriels.

TL;DR

In conclusion the secret power of Undertale is the power of “everyones hearts beating as one” and it is seen being used in multiple cases such as Undyne, Chara, Frisk, and Asriel.

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The six fallen humans were all children

Due to the lack of concrete information about them or the fact than one of them apparently carried a gun, multiple people have put into question wether the previous fallen humans really were children.

The mentions of the previous humans are rare and often vague or indirect. However there is ground to safely claim that they were indeed children.

Firstly, we know that Toriel cared for all of those humans for some amount of time in the ruins before they eventually left and died.

In the same room that she gives to Frisk, and presumably gave to the previous humans as well, there is a box of old shoes left here supposedly by the former owners of the room.

The Dreemurrs do not wear shoes.

It would seem those shoes belonged to the humans that fell underground before Frisk. 

In addition to only being common sense, there is no reason Toriel would keep old shoes instead of throwing them away unless they had a particular meaning to her. Serving as a memory of the previous humans she lost would be a perfect explanation.

The fact that they come in a variety of sizes showcases a noticeable age difference between the previous humans, however, all of them are still identifiable as being kids’ shoes.

Secondly, when Toriel recognises her failure to protect the humans that fell down here at the end of the fight opposing her to Frisk, she states the following :

Her wording here strongly implies that those she tried to save before Frisk were children as well.

Finally, in an interview from 2013, Toby Fox himself stated the following when asked to give a brief resume of the story of Undertale’s demo :

Toby Fox :  “Several human children have climbed the mountain, fallen down, left the ruins, and were assumedly killed by monsters. One monster, ‘Asgore’ is seeking the souls of these human children.”

With the game itself containing both physical and verbal evidence as well as a confirmation from Toby Fox, it is safe to say that all of the previous fallen humans were children as well.

[hedonistbyheart]

Do you thing Chara as something to do how the soundtrack are namerd example Heartache plays when you fight toriel, Small Shock plays when first meeting Asgore

Oh, ut lore ask - love those, thanks anon!

I think it’s an interesting idea, but I'm not fully convinced. I love the idea of Chara adding commentary through the songs, but since the songs aren't commented on explicitly in the game, it's hard to figure out where they exist meta-wise. Does everyone in the Underground hear musical accompaniment or is it only Chara and/or Frisk? Or only the player and Chara even?

I will say it makes names like 'can you really call this a hotel...' interesting when you look at leitmotifs and how much of 'once upon a time' is in it, especially if you, like me, consider that to be Chara's theme. If Chara named the songs that does indicate that they're invested in the story at this point and has relaxed enough to start goofing around, but I don’t think the pattern of names is clear enough to conclude anything final.