#warhok

[sharperthewriter]

Managed to find this. In the 6-minute video, Mr. Silver goes over the designs for the characters

[bcbdrums]

Monkey Fist was the mature villain imho and Ron did kill the Lorwardians, as a matter of fact.

haha, yes. in the craving for new content, folks seem to forget some of what we already got.

let's start with Graduation. and...i want to back up to Clothes Minded actually, because it will always bother my scientific mind that that gets glossed over. and this cements the show even more in the cartoon world... Drakken can't just move the continents. and the flip of a switch can't un-move them either. do i still love the episode? yes. but...it's not. real.

so then in Graduation... Kim's house is destroyed, the entire world is invaded by destructive robots... the final fight we see implies mass devastation by said robots... Ron's heroism saves the world, but...since we're so used to the cartoon world that is spelled out for us again and again...none of this feels all that intense? or not as intense as it should. not till the very end when Shego appears to be badly wounded (but then just gets up again fine later i'm still miffed about that) and Kim is at their mercy do we get that sense of.... okay, this is serious now. and Ron does kill them, the creators confirmed it... but it doesn't have the weight i think it should, because...the show just hasn't been very weighty. and that's okay. KP is KP. don't like it, write fanfic.

but now... Monkey Fist's arc was....i'm gonna call it the closest to BTAS that we got in the show. i make that references because anyone who has seen that show knows... BTAS was full of real-world tragedy, injury, death, themes of loss... themes of people willing to throw it all away for the sake of their desire... over and over again... Monkey Fist was just that.

i mean... it's only fanon and headcanon that MF was restored. for all we know, he's dead and gone. turned to stone for all eternity. you can't get more real world than that. plus, that final episode of his... the threat of death to Kim and Yori and everyone from being turned to stone... for once...FINALLY...easily more than in Graduation (for me at least), we got that sense of real threat. that sense of...maybe the heroes aren't gonna come out and top and we're not just bouncing back to the status quo after this ends. finally, this is serious.

so, yes Anon. Ron did indeed kill the Lorwardians, it's just kind of...overlooked as they hurry to close out the episode and give closure to all the main characters. and MF was in fact the mature villain of the show. he was our Batman villain.

[bcbdrums]

Who you think is the grate blue? I think Ron stoppable when he uses mystical monkey power he turns blue getting grate power enough to defeat warhok. Who by the way has more then likely battled way longer then Ron has.

......i know i answered this ask already, and yet here it is... must have gone down in one of my many computer crashes, which is frustrating because my reply was well-composed. ugh. technology.

anyway. i personally headcanon that it's Ron... it makes sense with how the story ends, since the Lorwardians had that prophecy and then a "great blue" being defeats them. it's not what their prophecy said as Warmonga explained it, but still, there's that connection there... plus who knows, maybe she interpreted it wrong.

i would selfishly like Drakken to be the great blue, but that makes the least logical sense. no mystical powers, just a coincidental run-in with them that started the whole thing... he also had a hand in defeating them, obviously, with his mutant plants. but Ron definitely gets the more immediate credit for the defeat, Drakken's is more secondary. because i'm sure the control ship being destroyed would have ultimately stopped the invading robots too.

a third theory that i LOVE and lean very strongly toward is my friend @split-n-splice's idea that it's Hego. this one is actually the most logical... his powers are from space, where the Lorwardians are from. and i already headcanon that the rainbow comet/meteor came from Lorwardian space so it just makes sense. space powers, space aliens... yeah my last reply to this ask was more eloquent and detailed, i can't recall what all i'd written.

so, who do YOU think is the great blue?

[bcbdrums]

About the last ask, I don't even bring it up as a negative thing, but as a "very interesting story/concept that could get explored in the fandom, but for some reason doesn't". There are tons of fan stories about Kim feeling bad about kicking Shego in the tower and whatnot, where they explore her "guilt" (I know 99% of the time is used as ship fuel, but still). And I have yet to see a story of Ron that is similar to that I'm just saying there may be a lot of potential there

(I'll get back to the former ask when you clarify what you meant by "in the closet".)

I...don't see Kim feeling guilty about that at all??? She and Ron frequently destroyed villain lairs and just left, left Drakgo in the ocean to drown, let them crash a flaming blimp... They seemed perfectly willing to let their villains and possibly countless henchmen die without a second thought. And consider that evil smile Kim gave after watching Shego fry and the tower collapse...

Yes, I know the obvious answer is cartoon logic of everyone always survives and no one ever gets hurt. That's clearly the lens we are supposed to be viewing the show through. But that's not as fun.

That said, yeah...no, I don't see Kim feeling the least bit guilty or remorseful. And on the cartoon logic vein, we can assume that Warhok and Warmonga survived and not deal with that one either. But we know they died from the creators' statements, and again...not as fun.

But between the two? We see Ron as the more thoughtful individual who cares about his actions, thinks ahead about potential choices, reflects on the past... Fics about Ron dealing with that are out there already. None I've seen quite handle it the way I would, but they exist. And yes, I think that topic has a LOT of potential. 😁

[bcbdrums]

I've been thinking about it, Ron was alredy very good at villainy and even if it was in self-defense and potrayed as an heroic moment he killed two people. There's so much potential for a good story there: Would Ron eventually feel guilty about that? (I can 100% see him eventually feeling guilty) Would that shake how he percieves himself? Could he correlate the attitudinator incidents to this? Would he feel like a bad person? Feel guilty? There's so much potential there.

given ron's thoughtfulness throughout the show, i think he'd 100% feel guilty about it.

there's lots of fics that go into it from an angle of, like...ron losing control of his powers and being afraid, or kim being afraid of him... i don't see any of that. if we're true to the mood of the show, i see them going on as usual and there would need to be a catalyst for ron to feel guilty. in my headcanon ron will eventually go to study in japan, and he can hone his mystic monkey powers at that time. but in terms of the guilt... maybe james possible's lab is studying lorwardian technology. maybe the news talks about research being conducted on dead alien bodies. something would have to force ron to think about it first. this is what we see in the show: ron is carefree until something is brought to his attention, and then he fixates.

so, some catalyst causes him to fixate. in typical ron fashion he'd ramble to kim, rufus, maybe barkin...anyone who will listen as he tries to process it all out loud. and each would give their own advice and thoughts. now...my canon-minded head would have him resolve this for himself and understand it's saving the world, and sometimes terrible things can be justified. the more dramatic part of me would have him spiral off unable to reason it out and head into villainy. which...he would be very, very good at. even w/o the attitudinator we've seen some downright evil looks on that boy's face.

[camthewizard]

Warhok: Objective: Total planetary domination.

Drakken: Ah! That was my objective!

[camthewizard]

Ron: Now what if Kim goes off to some fancy-shmancy college on the other side of the world while I’m stuck at home jockeying for Smarty Mart employee of the month. 

Ron is so jaded at fighting villains at this point that he’s using them for talk therapy. 

[dabard]

Does it ever fuck with you how Kim Possible had only 3 named characters die throughout the entire series and they were all people that Ron killed defending Kim? Cause it fucks me up my friend.