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Sade. 30s. she/her. kpop, jpop, and things i find pretty and interesting. banner and icon by me.

[aestheticheart]

Hi! I'm Sade. Black. Mid-ish 30s. Queer. She/her. Cat mom. Married @shrimpwoo 💍💖

I like lots of things. You'll mostly see kpop here with a sprinkle of things that make me laugh or make me think. Sometimes things that even make me mad (state of the world and whatnot etc.)

I like to also use this as a diary of sorts and share photos of my own photography, latte art, and journaling just to name a few things.

I am shy but friendly. Always open to chatting! Thanks for stopping by 👋🏾

[ateez-out-of-context]

[maydaynikki]

Today's Hobonichi.

[partywithponies]

I love vague labels that make people go "but that's confusing" or "but that could mean anything" Good. Keep guessing lol

[partywithponies]

"Queer doesn't actually tell me anything" who says I wanted to tell you anything. Who even are you.

[livethrushit]

[achillesinhighheels]

[patronsaintofweepingmothers]

"SMELLS LIKE SPRING" (2007), ERIN

[notaprophet]

wooyoung the iced coffee bitch

[thirstkanaphan]

How many muppets had to die for these outfits

[thirstkanaphan]

NOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭

[valtsv]

it took me so long to realize that "orz" looks like a little guy lying on the floor in despair

[valtsv]

IMPORTANT UPDATE EVERYONE!!!

[pterygoidwalk]

sometimes i wonder what my cat named me

[ateezhub-closed]

boy_donghyun

[aestheticheart]

Yesterday we did actually make it to the Bad Book event! They chose a great (read: worst) time to pick it because the whole city plus tourists were all in the same place 😀 there was pokemon go fest, jazz festival, a USA v Germany soccer game all on the same day/weekend. I typically avoid downtown when things like this collide so oh my God the crowdedness on the sidewalks was crazy and I was so irritated at the things I saw people doing to cause traffic jams for us walkers BUT I DIGRESS

We got lucky with the weather because it rained before the event started so it dropped 10 degrees and the breeze by the lake and the fountain is so perfect. So although the sun was BLAZING (i have a mask tan now 🥲), it wasn't as bad as it could've been.

Met up with @blessingrose for the event, had fun time in line and then walked over to a coffee shop where we got 99c drinks!!??? We parted after that and then disaster struck.

I'm typically very good about taking pics of our zone in a parking garage. The one time I forget....we are in the largest parking garage in the whole city (10k spots). It took us an hour to find the car.

So yeah. I'm fatigued today!!! Don't ask me to do nothin*

*Except laundry. I need underwear.

[scunthotter]

People who are making posts telling us what is happening over on threads, twitter, and Instagram are like war correspondents sending us reports from the front.

[throwing-roses-into-the-abyss]

Wait, I saw the post about Hongjoong putting less producer responsibility on himself and I looked at the tags.

What happened with Eden?

I understand the unfair line distribution stuff, that sucks. But did he do something else?

I'm gonna tag some people to help out because I'm sick and thinking is hard rn but iirc it's about the unfair line distribution, about in the past having forced some members to consistently sing out of their range and hurting their throats, for the way he treated Hongjoong when he was a trainee, I think he's also made members cry by being cruel to them?

I also don't know how much of this is pulled out of context or based on mistranslations or hearsay, all of which Atinys have a tendency to do, especially on Twitter, but he's just generally Not Liked by a lot of fans, though I guess Ateez themselves don't mind working with him and we should probably respect that. Maybe.

@thirstkanaphan and @atiny-for-life please help out?

[atiny-for-life]

Thank you for tagging me! ♥

I was actually about to go to bed, but now that I've seen this, I know I won't be able to before I've addressed this because this topic pops up every single comeback. It's one of the main reasons I stopped checking the Ateez tag on here as soon as the comeback was announced, actually, so let me tell you why:

Each and every time since I've been a part of this fandom (so since 2021 at the least) people will come crawling out of the woodworks to bring this up - people who normally never engage with this fandom, mind you - and they only come in to drag up three major rumors, always the same ones:

KQ abuses Ateez

Ateez actually hate Yeosang and Yeosang gets severely mistreated from all angles

Eden is Satan incarnate

So each and every comeback, I'll be sitting here, wondering if I should bother to make a post about this yet again (here's the one I made last year about Eden btw.), and this time, I thought I could get around it, but I guess not, so let me tell you about Eden - what's real, what's not, what the context is and why I'm honestly sick and tired of the way he's been treated by this fandom for so many years now:

Eden signed with KQ Entertainment back in 2016 when he was around twenty-eight years old. He was signed as a self-produced artist and would frequently work together with who we now know as Woodz (yes, that Woodz). The two were - and I assume still are - very good friends and Eden would soon begin referring to Woodz as his son (a term he later started using for Hongjoong as well).

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Shortly after signing with KQ though, Hongjoong joined the picture as well and Eden was told "You'll be in charge of teaching him how to produce music" and, understandably so, Eden was like "That's not what I signed up for! I'm not a teacher - I wasn't trained for this!"

This is then where the story about making Hongjoong cry comes in, because - as you might already assume - the whole thing was completely ripped from context. This wasn't something Hongjoong shared with us first because he wanted us to know he was being mistreated - this was actually something Eden chose to share in order to further help the public realize just how serious Hongjoong was, and still is, about music.

Here is the article where Eden retold the story of how he initially tried to make Hongjoong give up on music. In it, he says he gave Hongjoong a list of two hundred music production related words to memorize by the next day, thinking Hongjoong would never be able to pull it off, but Hongjoong stayed up all night to get it done and that was the initial moment where Eden realized "Well, shit. I never wanted to do this as a job, but I can't just let this kid's dream die because of me when he's so damn driven."

Here are some of Eden's quotes from the article:

What I highly praise about Hongjoong is that he was below average in every discipline when he started as a trainee. He wasn’t a natural dancer, and he couldn’t rap at all. But he sacrifices rest for practice. Watching him improve, I thought, ‘I should think of Hongjoong as my younger self and help him grow’.

Hongjoong embraced me. I never learned music in a formal setting from somebody else, so I didn’t want to teach anyone. But if there was one person that I had to teach music - to pass on what I know - it would be Hongjoong.

Now take this information and also put it into the context of the work environment Eden and Hongjoong were both in at the time: signed under a broke-ass company with just one shitty underground dance practice room, only ten people on staff, and electrical wiring so faulty, turning two heaters on at the same time would shut down all computers in the building. [Source]

Imagine living like this and then tell me you wouldn't be equally close to snapping if your boss under those circumstances suddenly dropped a teenager on your doorstep and told you to teach him everything you know when that's not at all what you signed up for. (Mind you, their CEO has since apologized to Hongjoong for the circumstances of his trainee days. He's also paid Ateez bonuses and given them gifts, etc. so this is a thing Hongjoong now talks about with a smile and a laugh. I can only assume it's the same for Eden.)

Moving on from this era though, let's skip ahead until the rest of the members joined - what was that like?

Well, let me show you:

In 'Code Name Is Ateez', we get to see Eden play 'Pirate King' for Ateez for the first time ever, which is when Mingi openly says Eden knows them best and has been taking care of them for years now:

In 'The Record', we see Eden drove out to wish Ateez luck for their debut showcase - something he very much didn't have to do since he's "only" their producer, but he did it anyway because, y'know, he's a human being who watched these kids push themselves to the max to fight the odds for their dream, so of course he'd want to see them before their big debut:

Throughout their Vlives, Ateez also used to actively promote Eden's music completely unprompted, just because they enjoy it (you can see an example of this here)

But let's skip ahead a little, so you can get a better idea of what the dynamic between Ateez and Eden is like now (or rather what it was like before he stopped appearing in their content for his own sake to avoid Atiny's wrath).

His last ever big appearance which I can recall was in 'The Man of Ateez' shortly after Mingi's return in 2021 where Eden helped play a little prank on the members and also shared a ghost story from his past (the video is timestamped):

In 2023, Ateez, Maddox, Woodz, and Nayeon from Twice (interestingly enough) all attended Eden's wedding with Ateez and Maddox even performing together at the ceremony:

But let's tackle the other points, starting with unequal line distribution. This is an issue that has been actively addressed for years now and the line distribution has been consistently close to equal for quite a few comebacks now (except for Jongho - he usually still gets the most lines because, y'know, he's Jongho - when you have him in your group, you need to flex a little).

The difference you can still see below is mainly the result of lacking lines for Yeosang and Wooyoung in the early days, but it's equaled out since, which is why the difference is now only minor and steadily closing further with each comeback.

On top of that, we've also had Hongjoong saying himself that lines are distributed after every vocal member has sung through the entire song, so it's something they all partake in, not something that gets enforced on them from up top.

Because of that, we've had title tracks where, say, Seonghwa has some of the least lines, but when you take the entire album into account, you'll see it's close to an equal split for all eight of them:

So what about the 'pushing Ateez to sing outside their range' thing? Honestly, the only so-called basis I've ever seen for this is from way back in 2019/2020 and earlier when people both inside and outside the fandom would constantly criticize Jongho's singing technique because they simply... didn't like it. They didn't like the belting notes, would claim Jongho was wrecking his vocal chords and voice, all while actively ignoring professional vocal coaches telling them Jongho's technique was close to flawless.

Alongside that, many fans were also pushing to hear the deeper registers of members who hadn't shown theirs yet - especially Yeosang's - which is what later ended up happening as I'm sure you're all aware of (thinks 'Halazia', 'Dune', etc.). But there was never any evidence that Ateez were hurting their own voices - the complete opposite, actually. They were taking really good care of their throats at all times because singing live was one of their major selling points.

So to wrap this up: I think the real reason so many people started shitting on Eden is because they wanted an easy scapegoat for everything they didn't like about the members, the songs, or the company, and he was one of the only people at KQ we ever got to see. So they blamed him for even the most nonsensical things, like Ateez's schedules being too full, their eating habits, their outfits - literally anything. The fact that he's literally their damn co-worker and not their boss was (and still is) entirely ignored.

And now, before I hear anyone come after KQ next, please read my post here first which is entirely based on sources, so you can get a better picture of how that company is actually run, what Ateez's lives under them have been like, and what the members themselves have shared about it. Thank you.

P.S.: The only story I recall ever hearing of a member crying because of something the company did (besides Hongjoong’s fried rice trauma) was when San didn't do well in the monthly evaluation and they all joked about it in this video:

P.P.S.: If you want to see what Eden is like with Xikers, you can check out their pre-debut show here.

[liittlecreatures1985]

out and about and my phone is at 15% battery: better not use it so it doesn’t die on me

5 minutes later: googling average gas mileage in 1950

[thirstkanaphan]

I was cooking and I had to share

[octeeztic]

Lets talk about Jongho's hands

Because I'm obsessed with them. Like I think aesthetically his are like literally gorgeous. It's not even a sexual thing I swear it's a contrast thing that gives me whiplash just like Jongho as whole does.

When the ghost-teez membership kit images were flying around me being a Jongho ride or die noticed his hands immediately. (Something about his long nail beds and overall shape not being particularly skinny or stubby stands out to me) Any other members required more deduction to guess (from me at least). Anyway what I'm saying is come let me tell you why I appreciate his hands lmao

Ok ok so we all know how powerful he is right? This man is downright scary as hell just from his sheer strength alone. It's his personal best trait that he himself proclaimed. And he doesn't have to act scary at all for people to be aware of it.(but he can and i wanna be there and dont wanna be there when that happens ough) He can destroy all 7 members in arm wrestling while he turns around and gives you the most gummy smile you'll ever see in your life. That contrast works with his hands too

Because tell me why his skilled hands that rip apart fruits of any kind WHILE HE SINGS with his equally powerful lungs; can crack walnuts singlehandedly, THOSE hands that can do so much damage if he ever chooses, look so effortlessly graceful?

Also let's get these out of the way too cuz I know some of you freaks(/affectionate) will love it

I thought maybe its on purpose when he poses but no I think it straight up comes naturally to him idk

LIKE BRO CMON. I looked at a LOT of photos of his hands and they're all...beautiful. As an artist I see his hands and I'm like wow they look like they're perfectly posed for a gorgeous painting, I KNOW i would enjoy drawing them. This big strong guy having such aesthetic hands is crazy work. Like how he is capable of being so charming and hot without any effort whatsoever and incredibly cute and adorable just by existing, and his HANDS holds a dichotomy too bro. There's so many hidden things about this man that fall under the radar overall, part of me wants to gatekeep him and the other part wants to scream about how amazing he is.

(@skelejor ik this might not be what you were expecting when you wanted me to scream about him but it's a starting point ig and I haven't seen ppl talk about it before so i took the chance i hope its enjoyable lol)