let's add some concluding drunk thoughts to this, shall we? seeing as i have more to say than was necessary for the response
(and because, you know, i'm gonna make novel long, extra ass rants about lucien til the day i die)
the inner circle literally bullied and used lucien
there is no getting around that, there is no sugar coating that, and there are no excuses
now, from the examples in that previous post, let's look at the type of treatment lucien returns to them in exchange for their belittling, mocking, lack of respect or understanding, and distrust (all while still being perfectly happy to accept lucien's help)
"'This isn't what I expected,' he said, taking in the sprawl of Velaris.
'The city is still rebuilding after the Hybern attack.'
His eyes dropped to the carved balcony rail. 'Even though we had no part in that... I'm sorry. But - that's not what I meant.'"
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"Silence fell, and Rhys and Cassian again walked away, understanding the emotion swimming in Lucien's eye - the meaning of the long breath he blew out.
When we were alone, Lucien rubbed his eyes. 'I've seen Rhysand do such... horrible things, seen him play the dark prince over and over. And yet you tell me it was all a lie. A mask. All to protect this place, these people. And I would have laughed at your face for believing it, and yet... this city exists. Untouched - or until recently, I suppose. Even the Dawn's court's cities are nothing so lovely as this.'
'Lucien -'
'And you love him. And he - he truly does love you.' Lucien dragged a hand through his red hair. 'And these people I have spent my centuries hating, even fearing... they are your family.'"
i just LOVE how lucien sincerely apologizes for her court being damaged despite the fact spring had no part in it directly after feyre intentionally destroyed his lmfao
also can i just say how tired i am of everything about the night court and the inner circle being the literal best in every way. it's obnoxious. "even the dawn court's cities are nothing so lovely as this" 🙄🙄🙄🙄
"We were almost to the door, Cassian already in the hall, when Lucien said to me, 'Thank you.'
I didn't dare ask him for what."
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"Lucien considered. 'Can I offer my unsolicited advice?'
Rhys smirked. 'I think that's the first time anyone at this table has ever asked me such a thing.'"
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"Rhys swirled his wine once, set it down, and said to Lucien, 'You and Azriel should talk. Tomorrow.'
Lucien glanced toward the shadowsinger - who only nodded at him. 'I'm at your disposal.'"
throughout the entire series. lucien does all he can for feyre and others. he's the loyal friend. and he's used and mistreated by them. and he still helps those who are not his friends and offers respect and understanding even after they mock and threaten him and never truly accept him
lucien was feyre's first friend in prythian
he was a dick to her at first, yeah, because she killed his other close friend. yes, that was what tamlin's men were being sent out for, but that does not change the fact that she murdered his friend in cold blood with true hate in her heart. i can see why he was a dick to her at first
but then he wasn't. and then after that throughout the series he continued to speak up for her. and all that he did for her under the mountain?? but then he gets no sympathy for his own ptsd
actually, feyre later takes advantage of his ptsd in acowar, as i always like to point out
speaking of the incident of her taking advantage of his ptsd, let's see how he treats her directly after that -
"I'd been wearing my cloak, but... he'd indeed given me his. He shivered against the cold as we dragged and clawed our way up the mountain slope, and did not dare stop."
as much as people want to say lucien only went with her because of elain - that is clearly not the case. lucien would not have done things like give her his cloak in the freezing cold even after the whole journey of her completely not trusting him at all (funny. considering she was the one who had just been lying to him the whole time she was at the spring court) to the point of not sleeping in case he tried to attack her
and then there is this next bullshit where he literally told her not to do something in his home court (as if he doesn't know better in his own court) and she didn't listen and ended up fucking them both. i sure as shit wouldn't be giving up my cloak (and after this journey is where all those examples of them not trusting him are from. he made this journey with her and helped her, and yet 🤔🤔)
"'My father's court lies due northward. We'll have to go to the east or west to avoid it.'
'No. East takes us too close to the Summer Court border. And I won't lose time by going too far west. We go straight North.'
'My father's sentries will easily spot us.'
'Then we'll have to remain unseen,' I said, rising."
(god she's so obnoxiously arrogant it's unbearable lol)
what is also interesting about her making him prove his trust for so long and so cruelly was that he knew feyre was lying the whole time. from the second she got back to spring. he knew. yet he still acted like a friend. still helped her. still was loyal
"'We are not your enemies, Feyre,' Lucien pleaded. 'Things got bad. Ianthe got out of hand, but it doesn't mean you give up -'
'You gave up,' I breathed.
I felt even Rhys go still.
'You gave up on me,' I said a bit more loudly. 'You were my friend. And you picked him - picked obeying him, even when you saw what his orders and his rules did to me. Even when you saw me wasting away day by day.'
'You have no idea how volatile those first few months were,' Lucien snapped. 'We needed to present a unified, obedient front, and I was supposed to be the example to which all others in the court were held.'"
here is the issue with feyre and her expectations of lucien when it comes to this. lucien has a duty to his court. there are maaaany others he has to try and look after and many duties he has to keep the spring court together during this time - ESPECIALLY since tamlin is a fucking mess. there is so much to clean up and so much to prepare for. feyre is not the only person that exists in the spring court and lucien cannot go to war with his high lord for feyre
"But Lucien... 'You took Ianthe in that cave on Calanmai?'
He wouldn't meet my gaze. 'She insisted. Tamlin was... Things were bad, Feyre. I went in his stead, and I did my duty to the court. I went of my own free will. And we completed the Rite.'"
*
"He might have completed the Great Rite with Ianthe of his own free will, but he certainly hadn't enjoyed it. Some line had been blurred - badly."
lucien has proven to be uncomfortable with things related to sex and women due to his past with jesminda, and ianthe sexually harasses him and later tries to rape him. yet he cares so much for his court and the people that he sacrificed himself like that. so, clearly, he's pretty devoted to making sure spring survives
and, yes, he did speak up to tamlin for her and tried to help her with him. he did not just sit by and do nothing. i am so tired of hearing this. apparently you all didn't read the books
which leads into my next point. feyre's bullshit, dramatic guilt tripping speech about "you were my friend. and you picked him -" (as if you've ever been much of a friend to him, feyre lol especially later in the books) "- you picked obeying him."
okay, nah. this is the problem lol. feyre literally blames lucien because she expected him to go against his high lord (i'm sorry, but in this world build - the word of the high lord is law, and if you go against that you're fucked), and at that point tamlin was not putting up with lucien and not treating him as a friend. lucien was visibly scared of him
"Lucien cleared his throat. 'She meant no harm, Tam.'
'I know she meant no harm,' he snapped.
Lucien held his gaze. 'Worse things can happen. Just relax.'
Tamlin's eyes were feral as he snarled at Lucien, 'Did I ask for your opinion?'
Those words, the look he gave Lucien and the way lucien lowered his head'"
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"'There’s only so much I can do,” he said hoarsely. “But I’ll ask him tonight. About the training. The powers will manifest whether we train you or not, no matter who is around. I’ll ask him tonight,” he repeated.'"
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"'We are not assassins,' Lucien had cut in. Rhys is what he is, but who would take his place -
My blood went cold, and I could have sworn ice frosted my fingertips.
Lucien had gone on, his tone pleading, 'Tamlin. Just let her train, let her master this - if the other High Lords do come for her, let her stand a chance.'
Silence fell as they let Tamlin consider.
My feet began moving as soon as I heard the first words out of his mouth, barely more than a growl. 'No.'
With each step of the stairs, I heard the rest.
'We give them no reason to suspect she might have any abilities, which training will surely do. Don't give me that look, Lucien.'
Silence again.
Then a vicious snarl, and a shudder of magic rocked the house.
Tamlin's voice had been low, deadly. "Do not push me on this."
I didn't want to know what was happening in that room, what he'd done to Lucien, what Lucien had even looked like to cause that pulse of power."
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“'Just—be patient, Feyre,” Lucien tried, wincing as he followed after Tamlin. “Please. I’ll see what I can do. I’ll try again.'”
even before tamlin became his high lord before his friend - in book one he still, at the end of it all, saw him as his high lord
"'Lucien,' my captor said quietly, the name echoing with a hint of a snarl. 'Behave.'
Lucien went rigid, but he hopped off the edge of the table and bowed deeply to me."
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"'So,' he said, 'when are you going to start trying to persuade me to beseech Tamlin to find a way to free you from the Treaty's rules?'
I tried not to jolt. 'What?'
'That's why you agreed to come out here, isn't it? Why you wound up at the stables exactly as I was leaving?' He shot me a sideways glance with that russet eye of his. 'Honestly, I'm impressed - and flattered you think I have that kind of sway with Tamlin.'"
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"'He would probably shred them for disobeying his order to stay away.'
A brush of ice slithered across my nape. 'He would be that brutal?'
Lucien studied the wine in his goblet. 'You don't hold onto power by being everyone's friend'"
i know the inconsistency with how the construct of the night court is extremely disconnected from the rest of the courts (which, honestly, really takes me out of the story. i like the vibe of the first book because they actually felt like faeries) in a way that makes you forget these are meant to be faeries with old fashioned thinking combined with the brutal way faeries think and live. but you cannot compare the dynamic of the other high lords and their courts and subjects to what you see of the night court which is basically the high lord and his buddies. so yeah - it's going to seem like lucien could have pushed his arguing further like rhysand's "brothers" do, but that's not how it was for lucien, and feyre really tried to expect lucien to risk his life or risk getting severely punished/getting thrown out (which would leave the people of spring who he really cares about far more lost without him)
lol but why do i keep bringing up the other members of the spring court? feyre clearly doesn't give a fuck about them. she destroyed their court and left so many innocents completely vulnerable during a horrific and devastating war
(it's also interesting how rhysand gets a pass for murdering and torturing for the sake of his court yet lucien not risking his life by pushing his high lord too far and focusing on all of spring rather than just one sole person for his court is too far and he doesn't get a pass like rhysand)
"even when you saw me wasting away day by day." k. this is another annoying fucking line. again, lucien tried. on top of that - when the fuck has feyre taken the time to care about lucien's ptsd? they all have ptsd. and meanwhile, while tamlin is struggling with his own, lucien has to forget his and focus on keeping the court together. again. how dare feyre make him feel like he left her alone with her ptsd only to later on take advantage of his and put him in danger at the same time
"I never realized what a powerful motivator guilt could be."
(hmm... you sure 'bout that, feyre? because you seem pretty fkn familiar with that tactic)
lucien has suffered and been cast aside his whole life. he grew up being horribly abused and also watching his mother receive the same treatment. he then had to watch the woman he loved be murdered in front of him by his family. despite that and the hate and ptsd and mistrust and detachment and all else that comes with that sort of trauma - he does not hold that in his soul for others. even for people who treat him like shit. he doesn't owe any of them anything. not one single person. he owes them all nothing. and yet he gives his kindness, forgiveness, effort, respect, and understanding anyway despite how none of them appreciate him to the point where he is completely alone and has no home by the end of the series (until jurian and vassa but we still know little about them).
and it's very clear how lost and alone he feels no matter what amount of effort and sincerity he puts in
“'as the youngest of seven sons, i wasn't particularly needed or wanted. Perhaps it was a good thing. I was able to study for longer than my father allowed my brothers before shoving them out the door to rule over some territory within our lands, and I could train for as long as I'd like, since no one believed I'd be dumb enough to kill my way up the long list of heirs. And when I grew bored with studying and fighting... I learned what I could of the land from its people. Learned about the people, too.'"
"As if sensing my thoughts, Lucien said, 'You don't have to waste your time convincing me. I get it. I get... I get that we were not what you wanted. Or needed. How small and isolated our home must have been for you, once you saw this.' He jerked his chin toward the city, where lights were now sparkling into view amid the falling twilight. 'Who could compare?'
I almost said, 'Don't you mean what could compare?' but I held my tongue."
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"'One would think, Lucien, that you'd be glad I fell in love with my mate, given that you're in the same situation Rhys was in six months ago.'
'You left us.'
Us. Not Tamlin. Us. The words echoed into the dark, toward the howling wind and lashing snow beyond the bend.
'I told you that day in the woods: you abandoned me long before I ever physically left.' I shivered again, having every point of contact, that I so desperately needed his warmth. 'You fit into the Spring Court as little as I did, Lucien.'
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His metal eye whirred. 'And where, exactly, do you believe I will fit in? The Night Court?'
I didn't answer. I didn't have one, honestly."
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"'What was your motive where I was concerned? Did you plan to spare me from your path of destruction because of any genuine friendship, or simply for fear of what it might do to her?'
I didn't answer.
'Well? What was your grand plan for me before Ianthe interfered?'
I pulled at a stray thread in the bedroll. 'You would have been fine.'"
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"'I hadn't realized I was the villain in your narrative,' Lucien breathed.
'You weren't.' Not entirely."
aaaand on top of that - his mate currently wants nothing to do with him (who he also feels heavy guilt and deep betrayal for even wanting at all because of jesminda despite how he can't control it because he's heartbreakingly loyal)
so, yeah, if you excuse feyre's treatment of him with the claim that he apparently "just stood by" then you can fuck all the way off
now! let's say it all together now, friends!
lucien vanserra doesn't owe feyre or anyone jack shit













