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Water ☯ Earth ☯ Fire ☯ Air

Book 1: Water

Episodes

Characters

Creatures

Locations

Gear

Book 2: Earth

Episodes

Characters

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Gear

Book 3: Fire

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Characters

Creatures

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Gear

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Hi!

What happened to Elizabeth Welch Ehasz who was the writer of many very successful episodes in Avatar?

BTW your work here is super important. thank you!

This is the last I heard about her. Here's the text, in case anything gets deleted:

Elizabeth Welch Ehasz (or whatever her last name is now) does not have any imdb credits outside of ATLA. So as far as we know she has not written for any other tv shows or movies since. Elizabeth likely worked on ATLA in part because the head writer, Aaron Ehasz, was her husband at the time. They are now divorced which may be a reason why she didn't continue writing for tv shows. It could be possible Elizabeth is working on tv shows or in the broader entertainment industry in a job that IMDb does not record or maybe she changed her name and has continued working in tv but for whatever reason IMDb did not merge her old and new pages. I don't know enough IMDb to say how likely that is. Either way we as avatar fans do not know what Elizabeth is up to these days.

Wikipedia has them listed as divorced in Aaron's entry, but notably it doesn't seem to have a citation, so I couldn't even tell you where that info comes from.

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What do we know about the origins of combustion bending and how these people obtain this ability & get that ‘third-eye’ on their forehead? Why do the patterns between P’Li and Combustion Man differ and how do the patterns form in the first place? Thank you!

There's still not a lot of information about Combustion-bending. Everything we know about it has been gleaned from audience observations, such as both Combustion Man and P'Li having the 'third-eye' tattoos.

Without getting too spoilery, some of F.C. Yee's novels reveal a little bit about Combustion-bending, but once again it's only some clues, and some of those clues might not even be relevant anymore by the time of the Aang and Korra eras.

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Hello! First of all thank you for the work on preserving this, I hope there are good things in your future

Second: Did the airbender and ty lee connection ever get confirmed? Either by bryke or some other source? Because i could have sworn it was at some point in 2008-2010

Thank you!

But no, nothing official has no much as hinted at it. Ty Lee's backstory in general hasn't received any real attention, with only the flashbacks in 'Zuko Alone,' her speech in 'The Beach,' and a short comic which introduced her sisters. And the content in the comic seems to contradict some of what Ty Lee implied in 'The Beach,' so it might not even be the full story of her relationship with her sisters.

Even in the creator commentary for 'The Beach,' Ty Lee is barely acknowledged as an individual, usually just being referred to with the rest of the Fire Teens group.

What does seem to be consistent, though, is that Ty Lee comes from an established noble family. So if there is any Airbender blood in her line, it's likely to be quite a few generations ago, to the point where its influence would probably be questionable.

But that's not to say it couldn't happen, especially with all the new stories and supplements in the pipeline. LoK has depicted the elements to have a greater tie to DNA than was initially shown, so there's definitely room for this theory to take root in something official.

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About TLoK, are you talking specifically about Yakkone and his 2 sons or are there other examples? Thank you very much. I do recall that the harmonic Convergence gave airbending to people who weren't even from airbending descent, so I thought the line between spiritual & genetic components of bending were still blurred (Toph's parents are implied to be nonbenders, her daughters are earthbenders, her grandkids are mixed, with 1 becoming an airbender, etc).

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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the entire spiritual component had been removed. The new Airbenders are a good example of that still being in play (well, most of them besides Bumi), although I would have loved to learn more about the various people who wound up becoming Airbenders and at least a hint as to why that was.

But yes, Yakone having a 'mutant Bloodbender gene' that both of his sons inherited is what I was specifically thinking of. AtLA made a point to show identical twins where only one was an Earthbender, but LoK emphasized bloodlines and legacy in relation to Bending. It's not an inappropriate shift for a story franchise that deals heavily in themes about legacy and the burdens that each generation inherits from the last, and a story like that for Ty Lee could be very rich.

Hello! First of all thank you for the work on preserving this, I hope there are good things in your future

Second: Did the airbender and ty lee connection ever get confirmed? Either by bryke or some other source? Because i could have sworn it was at some point in 2008-2010

Thank you!

But no, nothing official has so much as hinted at it. Ty Lee's backstory in general hasn't received any real attention, with only the flashbacks in 'Zuko Alone,' her speech in 'The Beach,' and a short comic which introduced her sisters. And the content in the comic seems to contradict some of what Ty Lee implied in 'The Beach,' so it might not even be the full story of her relationship with her sisters.

Even in the creator commentary for 'The Beach,' Ty Lee is barely acknowledged as an individual, usually just being referred to with the rest of the Fire Teens group.

What does seem to be consistent, though, is that Ty Lee comes from an established noble family. So if there is any Airbender blood in her line, it's likely to be quite a few generations ago, to the point where its influence would probably be questionable.

But that's not to say it couldn't happen, especially with all the new stories and supplements in the pipeline. LoK has depicted the elements to have a greater tie to DNA than was initially shown, so there's definitely room for this theory to take root in something official.

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Hi! I cant seem to find Lo & Li’s character profiles in the search bar. I thought theyd be tagged as a season two character, and i know their beach house is in here, but i cant find them. Can you help?

Unfortunately, they never got an entry! The closest thing is indeed the beach house, and they're not mentioned in any of the entries relating to Azula.

This fits well with my memories of the fandom perception of the characters while the show was still airing. Li'n'Lo had an air of mystery that prompted a lot of fan speculation, ranging from them being related to the Royal Fire Family in some way to things as wild as them being some kind of powerful, esoteric Firebenders. Then 'The Beach' aired, and it turned out that they are fairly normal people, and the finale surprised everyone by revealing that they are not Firebenders at all! Even just a little tidbit of information before those episodes would have given us a clue to go on, but there was nothing.

I find it amazing that we've gotten precious little since then, as well. I think Li'n'Lo are very important figures in Azula's upbringing, but with so little still known about them, the fandom has to pretty much gloss over their role in her life.

Maybe they'll get a one-shot comic book or something.

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Do you have some good maps of the world of avatar?

I'm not sure there is such a thing, at least not officially. The official maps tend to be rather stylized and undetailed, and vague about placement. The best we probably have is the one that was made for the RPG. But I still think it's a far cry from the type of stuff you find in front a typical fantasy novel.

Still, I complain because I like to write fanfic, so highly detailed maps would be a great resource and save me from having to make stuff up. For the official storytellers, though, tying themselves down as little as possible with things like maps is the best strategy.

My favorite fan-made maps are AlisaChristopher's and Bill Murdon's, although they take some liberties and don't always agree.

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Hama

This is the Ask box, Slick. You want the Search box, which when given words or names can immediately find what you're looking for. Trust me, it's a lot more effective than sending me a name and waiting for me to log on to dig up a link and inflict my poor attempts at humor on you.

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איך אווטאר אנג נראה

Bald kid. Blue arrow on his head.

You can't miss him.

מי זה אנג

The bald kid with the blue arrow on his head.

how is ang

Doin' fine; thanks for askin'!

כמה פרקים יש בסדרה

There are 61. That last season has an extra episode- be sure not to miss it!

מה זה אוואטר

There are several possible answers:

The incarnation of a spirit or deity in human form

An image representing a computer user

The main protagonist of a story in the 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' franchise

The bald kid with the blue arrow on his head

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Hey, do you have any archived data on which location matched up to which point on the map on the old website? I remember back in the day it pinpointed the location of each episode, but fanmade maps seem to vary a lot. Thanks in advance

Sadly, whatever data or programming goes into that, I can’t decipher it in the decompiled files I have. And when I try to play the Flash file, the location dots don’t work (hence why I had to extract the information from those xml files), so I can’t confirm which dot goes with which episode.

That said, some educated guesses can be made based on the locations of the dots themselves, and I went ahead and took screenshots so that we’ll have them here:

If anyone knows how to get anything more precise out of decompiling the flash file, feel free to reach out.

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I never got around around to following up on this, did I?

Well, NightHnh099 of our old friends The Avatar Yield Project was able to reconstruct the website a while ago and get the number for the dots of all three books. Although various other resources such as the Wiki have already made the numberings available, I figured it would finally complete the package to have it here as well.

Note that Book 3 did not have dots for all its episodes; they were getting pretty lazy near the end, there. Also note that there's nothing indicating why the dots are placed as they are or which precise location they're meant to represent. This is where worrying about what's "canon" can cause trouble.

So without further ado, here's the maps:

Asslam o alikum! That a sharp blog you got there, loopy777. Careful you could puncture an entire royal imperial class battleship leaving thousands to die at sea. Because it so sharp. *points my finger to your blog.* keep what you do best. Have a beatiful week to anyone reading this!

Walekum Assalaam!

(If I got that wrong, please forgive me!)

I'm just happy to have chosen the one social media site for this archive that hasn't (yet) tried to actively keep its biggest users from its content. Watch those sharp edges, though. ;)

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We have three, actually.

As an update to that, someone was able to get the site running enough to have the dots show the episodes, and took a video of them. Unfortunately, my time has been limited, so I haven't been able to put that info into a set of nice reference pictures.

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Hello. Hope you are doing well. Are the things written here canon ? And are the Earth Kingdom Chronicles canon ? Thank you in advance for answering. Have a nice week!

Honestly, I'm not sure there's a solid concept of 'canon' for the Avatar franchise.

We could say that everything approved by Nickelodeon is canon, but then that brings in things like the Trading Card Game, and a lot of fans don't consider the unique elements from that to count. Likewise, this policy would include the material from the old website that's archived here, but stuff like Ursa's background has been contradicted by later works.

Maybe we can go by stuff that Mike and/or Bryan have worked on, then? But thanks to Mike's involvement, that would include this information, so are we left to conclude that the 'Bryke Canon' contains contradictions which cannot be reconciled? Or do they have a ranking system favoring primary works over reference material?

And in cases like the Earth Kingdom Chronicles books, it's hard to tell who worked on what. The books are officially credited to Michael Teitelbaum, but they're based to an unknown degree on the episodes of the cartoon. Did Teitelbaum have access to original scripts and/or the completed episodes? Were the books reviewed and approved by any of the cartoon's writing team? Did Teitelbaum have the opportunity to ask questions of Mike, Bryan, or the rest of the writing team?

We don't know and we can't know.

The only statement I've ever seen from Nickelodeon or any of the creatives was a recent quote from Mike regarding the comics, novels, and other spin-off material:

"We've been involved in all those main ancillary stories, so in our minds it's mostly canon. There’s probably some stuff if we may go back, like: 'that doesn’t totally line up with this', so there may be some little tweaks here and there, but as of right now we’re proceeding as if all this stuff is part of the proper universe and hopefully building on it."

So there you have it. The 'Bryke Canon,' at least, makes use of out-of-universe retcons, and seems to include at least everything they've had a hand in. There are no definite boundaries that we fans can know about, and of course Avatar Studios is bringing in lots of other creative influences. For now, Mike and Bryan are still in charge of Avatar Studios, but I have no doubt that Nickelodeon wants the franchise to remain active and profitable for many decades, so it's entirely possible that eventually we'll be receiving major 'canon' works that don't have any involvement from them at all. (I also have no doubt that, at that point, fans will be arguing about whether the new stuff fits with the 'Bryke Era.')

So all this is to say that if anyone wants to cite the Earth Chronicles books as canon in arguments about Azula, you're probably just going to want to say, "those kiddie book adaptations say this" and leave it up to your audience how much credence they want to give it.

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Why was the old avatar website taken down

The fandom has never gotten any kind of explanation, and in fact the website was no longer being linked anywhere official long before it went down. As I recall, for years fans were passing around a more complicated url that had been found after Nick.com was no longer promoting it. Most likely, the final death was one of two scenarios:

Required upgrades/maintenance broke the old website and there was no desire to put the effort into making it functional again.

Corporate greed and the hatred of all things beautiful led to the call to end it.

It would have died with the end of Flash support, anyway. The sad reality of our new digital landscape is that everything will eventually go down, and the only path for preservation is consumers taking it upon themselves to archive things in some manner.

The Tui and La spirits are referred to by Koh as Yin and Yang, could this mean that they represent the concept of dualism in Avatar? In the comics, Mother of Faces says that she created the concept of separation, this could indicate that she created the concept of dualism, right?

I don't think Tui and La are supposed to the sole embodiment of Yin and Yang in the world. They reflect it in their chosen forms, but their 'primary' nature is of the moon and the ocean. It's possible that Hei Bai's true form is also supposed to evoke Yin and Yang, and of course Raava and Vaatu from LoK take their primary visual inspiration from that. The whole idea of dualism seems to be something that's foundational to the spiritual side of the setting, and the more foundational the spirit, the more likely they're going to reflect that.

Unfortunately, we don't know a whole lot about the Mother of Faces. She makes some big claims, but there's nothing to verify what she says or really explain any of it.

Thank you for making this blog and the hardwork of getting the information. *slight bow down*. God bless you. I really appreciate that. Hope you doing well and have a nice day.

Thanks!

Would you say that the spirit world is a dimensionally transcendent place? As if transcending concepts such as space-time, dimensions, etc. Since he seems to ignore these things without giving an afterlife place.

As much as I would like it to be that way, I think we have to let go of the idea of the Spirit World transcending time. All of the various visits we see correspond perfectly with absence from the material world, and denizens like Koh speak of time passing in familiar terms like years. There's never been an encounter with someone not currently alive that isn't explained in some way as a post-life continuation (aka ghost).

It's a shame, because transcending time would be a perfect way to have our cake and eat it, too, with the Avatar ghosts. It's never really made sense why they're hanging out in the Spirit World in Escape from the Spirit World, and the new RPG even suggests that players can encounter past Avatars in the Spirit World, despite (from what I understand) the players not being able to play as an Avatar. If everyone who ever visited the Spirit World can be found within it simultaneously, Kuruk's hunt for Koh can continue forever even as he dies and is reincarnated into Kyoshi. Somewhere, Iroh can always be looking for a way to get Lu Ten back- and it would make more sense that he'd be checking the Spirit World, as it's a place where there's no time, so the past and the future are all within his grasp!

At least there's plenty of evidence for it transcending space. We saw in AtLA that the Spirit World was already given to wildly varying landscapes that change in real-time, with the implications that great distances are covered a bit too quickly, and LoK's depictions went even further with that. I like that, as the fact that 'real' world is labeled as the material world implies that the Spirit World should not have the characteristics of being made of matter.

So, we win one and we lose one. At least the Spirit World has pretty much been confirmed not to be the designated afterlife for the setting; that type of thing can get very messy for storytelling when the characters can visit at will.

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