byler 24/7

byler is endgame and you will tell me no different my strawpage: https://bylerbrainrot.straw.page my ao3: https://tinyurl.com/3u95m8an

[byler-brainrot]

INTRO POST!

Hi! I'm byler-brainrot. You can call me Sam. (she/her, pan-lesbian)

I am 35 years old, with autism and ADHD.

@peachekeira is the Mike Wheeler to my Will Byers. 💙💛

I am mostly here for Byler, as my username implies. I recently (as of about April 2025) got into Stranger Things for the first time and I am terribly hyperfixated. This is my first heavy interaction with a fandom in several years.

So far I've been LOVING the Tumblr Byler community! You guys rock!

Byler is really important to me. I've always cherished friends-to-lovers ships, especially those that began in early childhood. I find the entire concept really romantic, then just add in the characters Mike and Will are, and I was hooked. It's also a large part of how/why I grew closer to @peachekeira and so that means a lot. 🥰

I also ship Steddie and Ronance on the side, though I don't take those ships super seriously and definitely do not expect them to be canon.

It's unlikely I'll use this account to post about much other than Stranger Things and personal stuff.

Some things I've done:

I write Byler fanfiction under the user MongooseDogKami on AO3.

I occasionally post songs I feel are Byler-coded under the tag #byler tunes.

I think that's all for now! I'll come back and edit this if I think of anything to add. 😁 Thanks for reading!

[karust]

Fuck, marry, kill.

[sofixt0k]

I’ve seen so many people say they wish they had never shipped Byler. That it ruined their experience. That it genuinely hurt them.

And honestly? I get it. I really do.

But I can’t relate.

Because I cannot imagine my life without shipping Mike Wheeler and Will Byers.

Since 2020, life hasn’t exactly been kind to me. Those weren’t the easiest years. Not even close.

But they were the most beautiful years to be part of this fandom.

The Byler fandom gave me something I didn’t know I needed — comfort, creativity, connection, softness in a world that often felt unbearably loud.

The fanfics. The fanarts. The edits. The discussions that went on for hours like we were decoding the universe itself.

It was never just a ship.

Somewhere along the way, Byler became a space where I rediscovered my love for writing — a love I had buried under insecurity, doubt, and the quiet fear of not being “good enough.”

I talked about them endlessly. To friends. To family. To anyone who would listen.

Mike and Will were never just characters on a screen to me. They were emotion. Possibility. A story that felt like it mattered.

Am I sad? God, yes.

What happened — or rather, what didn’t happen — still hurts.

But if I could go back in time and choose again?

I would still ship them.

Every single time.

Because loving Byler gave me joy during years that could have easily been defined only by pain.

And now that Stranger Things is over, something strange and beautiful has happened:

They’re ours.

Not in a possessive way — but in the way stories always become the audience’s once the screen goes dark.

We know who our Mike Wheeler is. We know who our Will Byers is.

And in thousands of fics, artworks, and headcanons… they are loved the way many of us wished they had been.

Byler was never just about “going canon.”

It was about connection. About seeing something tender and holding onto it. About finding pieces of ourselves inside a story.

Maybe I’ll be more cautious in the future. Maybe I won’t let myself believe so deeply again unless the story is explicitly, undeniably queer.

But I will never regret loving them.

Because Byler, to me, was never just a ship that could have been.

It was a feeling. A refuge. A chapter of my life I’ll always carry with me.

And I will continue reading/writing about them until the day I die.

[huailin]

kinda inspired by the fic "i’d love to see me from your point of view" by unidentifiedblackthorn! >o<

[paladin-and-sorcerer]

Will Byers deserved real, tangible, visible love and reciprocity beyond just self-acceptance

Mike Wheeler deserved self-recognition, narrative agency, and love without performance

Jane Hopper deserved family, safety, self-definition, and a future that didn’t depend on her pain and lack of autonomy

And I’m disappointed that two jaded white men couldn’t deliver this but not surprised

[byler-brainrot]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/76921486

My first Byler fic post-finale.

Hope you enjoy. <3

[byler-brainrot]

Just wanted to let y'all know this now has two more chapters, and I plan to write even more! I'm usually more of a one-shot writer, but I just adore this universe I'm building and I can't seem to stop thinking about it lol

[byler-brainrot]

Chapter four is out now!

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[byler-brainrot]

Time for chapter 5!

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[byler-brainrot]

Chapter 6 finally :) Sorry this one is short.

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[vidarlas]

"It was the best thing I've ever done."

💙💛

[kaypeace21]

Problematic writing choices of the Duffers:

This post will be focusing on problematic tropes (more so than the many plot holes).Prior to this, I thought some of these writing choices were intentional subtext and symbolism for a greater plot point (and that these tropes would later be subverted) . This wasn't the case. I'm mentioning these tropes now: for people to grasp why we shouldn't reward the Duffers in their future projects. And how normalizing these tropes (in main stream shows) will negatively impact future story telling for the worse.

Fridging trope: El embodies this as her death is used as a catalyst for various male character's development in the finale. The Duffers saying El was never going to be with the gang in the end , because she "represents the magic of childhood" for the boys is just sad. Because yes-characters can represent something but writers need to understand they're MORE than just a symbol of something (they're also a person/character in the narrative). The fact she also represents the magic of childhood of all things is awfully portrayed since Jane herself never even had a real childhood - and because of the writers , she's also deprived of an adulthood .

In s5, bringing back Kali (one of the only brown girls in the show) to essentially just make her suffer and die. They brought her back: k*lled her found family , had her tortured by the gov again, and then she's shot by the gov. God forbid, a brown girl shoots her white oppressors (the writers have to k*ll her the same way she offed her abusers). Kali targeting her ab*sers was portrayed as morally questionable/nuanced in the show. But white Jim & Nancy mowing down random soldiers with bullets, or El killing a bunch of American/soviet soldiers was just to make them look 'bad ass'. The audience never has to question their morality for doing so- only Kali's. If you believe's mike's theory: that would mean they just used Kali to save and give the white heroine a happy ending (which is gross optics in and of itself).

If you believe that El died along with Kali (this is also problematic). They couldn't let El/Kali : the victims of government oppression and abuse get a "happy ending" . In fact both die due to the government .What an uplifting message during these fraught political times. Remember Hopper’s speech where the whole point was Kali/El shouldn’t have to off themselves since they deserve a happy ending (despite life being unfair to them constantly)? What was the point? Idk , if you don't die , off yourself if life has been cruel.Killing El / kali to stop the "cycle " isn’t empowering at all. It’s a harmful message to ab*se survivors!!!

Had Erica and Lucas in s4 be in a scene comparable to police brutality . Even having Jason point a gun at Lucas. And having poor Erica be tackled by a man (talked about it more thoroughly here) .The writers didn’t have the guts to meaningfully touch on how prevalent racism was in the 80s - so without doing so it just felt like they were exploiting black trauma for suspense. Without even thinking of how that would negatively affect or trigger black viewers. They also made Billy racist but not explicitly so. Arguably so fans could still thirst after Billy and deny his racism -and possible so they could keep their racist fans within the G.A. They could have called out the deniers after s2 via an interview a long time ago. And in s3 they gave Billy a redemption arc when his racism wasn't even rectified in s3 (they just ignored it)? Tbf , Lucas was very much likable and level headed for most of the seasons (I’ll give them that) . And I also appreciate how intelligent and affluent they made both Lucas & Erica . But, I did find some aspects of Erica’s portrayal problematic since the very beginning- she always seemed to embody the “sapphire/sassy trope.” And Erica's actress has verbally implied she's had qualms with Erica embodying the " sassy black woman" trope (although subtly).

After the finale the Duffers also claimed that "no one is concerned about Erica" cause she's "so tough". Can we stop the adultification/masculinizing of young black girls? It's awful and problematic .Isn't her character in middle school (it would be normal to be concerned for her cause she's a literal child)?! I hope she gets better roles in the future.

They never addressed what happened to Argyle, when they could of just said a random one liner saying he left the city before the military check points were set-up. They also didn't even give the actor a heads-up that he would not be returning for s5. It just shows to me that once again they don't care about the majority of their poc characters or even actors .Similar to Erica , Argyle could also fall into another problematic trope: the "hispanic stoner trope".

QUEER REP: QUEER BAITING A COUPLE. Constantly comparing Mike/ Will to canon couples for 5 seasons just to foreshadow unrequited love . And also use byler in marketing/social media constantly. Will said that if he lost mike he'd want it to be done like 'ripping off a bandaid' (the writers didn't give the queer viewers that- they dragged us along even in the finale, cause they wanted our viewership and engagement to make money). They repeat the tired old trope of : gay best friend needs to gets over straight bff (who is in love with the main heroine). Then have the gay friend lie to prop up and fix that straight pairing (while establishing the cyarno trope with the painting but never addressing it) . And in that season , they have him literally 3rd wheel the straight couple just to make him suffer (and use him as a punching bag for the whole series).Because a lot of straight writers subconsciously romanticize queer pain (and think it adds depth to their writing) .

Then they force said gay character to come out because he was coerced to by the villain . While the show never even uses the word "gay" for either Robin or Will . Then the sapphic couple also gets together/break up OFF SCREEN (while all the straight couples get actual development or closure) . They have the show take place during the aids epidemic with no mentions of it, and ignore the fact that 'anti gay propaganda' was prolific in the 80s . If Duffers want to talk about “realism” to justify Will getting rejected : it's not "realistic", for a room full of straight people to all be accepting of Will in the 80s . Let’s talk about how the Duffers barely talk about homophobia- so the straight audience doesn’t feel too bad about their own subconscious biases and LONG history of discriminatory practices ! THAT'S NOT "REALISTIC"-it's HISTORICAL REVISIONISM. The straight G.A bullied the queer fanbase for years (because queer viewers wanted better queer rep and fell for the queer bait). Those bullies never have to reflect on their actions (they're rewarded). They also didn't even give Will an actual 'rejection': he just rejects himself which is almost worse. Then he gets a 0.5s scene with a nameless guy -wow how revolutionary . "Gay epilogue bf/gf" is also another problematic gay trope.

Because an epilogue bf is a "tokenistic nod rather than meaningful inclusion" of a romantic gay relationship . At least El & Will are away from Ted 2.0 .Will getting rejected is just remnants of the Usa's Hays code: which made it illegal for films, tv and books to have a queer character in them unless they die , have an unrequited love, or a sad ending . This is also why shows do subtle queer coding even today (it was how writers back then got around the law to give their queer characters a happy ending) . The coding in ST was for queer readers to pick up on , while straight viewers would not . And that's why straight viewers today will say we're "delusional " : queer coding is now primarily weaponized by straight writers for marketing purposes. They know queer coding is usually only noticed by queer viewers . And they use this to their advantage when 'baiting' a queer couple, and not following through. They take advantage of the queer viewers, but also use their straight / heteronormative viewers as a shield (since they know they'll defend them in the end) .

Using sa/csa imagery with the monsters just for shock value. And as an “allegory” again cause they didn’t have the guts to address the subject (just like they didn’t have the guts to address homophobia or racism thoroughly or meaningful ) .They just triggered a bunch of sa victims for nothing , and for multiple seasons . As a gay csa victim this really pisses me off.

This is disgusting because there was no narrative reason to do this. It's not like they even tried to explore how and why THIS specifically would traumatize Will. They just did it for shock value and to torture their gay character some more. And they doubled down on this imagery in s5 with other kids- for again seemingly no narrative reason. Or maybe for more nefarious reasons...

Have Karen (who is in her 40s) almost hook up with a teenage (18y old) Billy . And she doesn’t even call it off cause of his age but because “she has a family.” In a lot of ways Karen was the goat but that choice did ruin her character for me. Couldn’t she at least tell Billy: ‘you're much too young for me. I don't want to take advantage of you" in addition to her 'having a family' comment? Also having Murray encourage teenagers to bang was weird. I'm SIDE EYE-ing the Duffers forever . Especially cause they also added superfluous csa imagery and forced us to watch kids make out in s3.

In the Wheeler family, this questionable behavior isn't just from Karen . We have El (who didn’t initially know what a friend was ) ask Mike if he’d be her brother or friend at the snowball-and then he kisses her. In s2 we see a gifted boy (who talks about "ectotherms") be "IN LOVE" with a girl who was just learning how to tell time and what “compromise” means . Then in s3, Mike just makes out with her constantly despite El having to ask Max “how do I know what I like?” And in s3 she didn't even know what Illinois was (even after going to Chicago in s2). But... there was no (morally questionable) power imbalance between the 2 .Nope...not SUPER Creepy at all . No real world implications. I'm probably overthinking it : it's not like men in real life have weird fantasies about taking advantage of naive -impressionable girls with less knowledge of the real world than them so they can manipulate and groom them into a relationship (laughs nervously).

In real life, Mike would have been jumped for taking advantage of such a girl. Yeah, she matured and grew later on (but them dating, especially in the early seasons was always creepy and morally questionable). Myself (and others) have been saying for years: she needed friends, family , and socialization before she jumped head-first into a romantic relationship.

The worst part is the Duffers placed a child in an old problematic sci-fi/fantasy trope called "born sexy yesterday" . No , I'm not saying she was sexy for people who love twisting my words. The trope has been around for decades but the term was only recently coined by youtuber 'pop culture detective' . (I'd recommend watching their video about it ) . The trope is usually about "a main heroine who has superpowers , but is mentally stunted like a child (and has little to no exposure to the outside world) . Her male love interest is often a normal (or nerdy) human man who teaches her about the real world and grooms her into a relationship ."

One alarming thing I learned from 'pop culture detective's" video was that an element of the trope involves the woman innocently undressing in front of a group of men cause she doesn't understand the social rules (this is usually done for gross fan-service) . This made my heart stop cause El did attempt to undress in front of the boys in the 1st episode. Initially, I though that it was to indicate how little privacy at the lab she had (or worse) . Now I'm just side eyeing the writers who wrote this (especially given how infamous Hollywood is toward child actors)...

The Duffers didn't subvert the trope: by showing how problematic Mike/El were together and letting El break it off . But instead they doubled-down on romanticizing their relationship .And worst of all: they used a child for the trope, which is EVEN WORSE than the initial problematic trope itself!!!!!! Mike was also clearly their self insert so it's even creepier .

Compared Mileven to to El & Brenner, El& hopper and El& Henry (post with proofs here) . But then they sell mileven as a romantic fantasy despite Mike STILL not being able to say “I love you” back to her in s5. You suck, Wheeler . The fact El’s whole life has been controlled by men that thought they knew what was best for her. And then they made El's sacrifice revolve around her (not great) bf is just gross and frankly unearned. Especially given how little positive development we saw of their relationship. She literally said in s4 Mike didn't "understand" her , but then in s5 claimed Mike was the only one who "understood" her. It was so obvious men wrote this line to fulfill their (Mike) self-insert fantasy. GROSS. El deserved to live and have fulfilling relationships and bonds with other women. Especially when men took away her mother,aunt, "sister", childhood, and even her ability to express her femininity.

Mileven was also compared to Ted/karen. And even without El , Mike still conforms with his Ted glasses and ends up like his father who is oblivious to the world around him: hanging up the painting that he still thinks El commissioned . "you're just blind that a girl's not grossed out by you."

He falls for the false fantasy of El (that Will made). Just like in the end, Mike writes her in his fantasy: as a mage who is in a far away land with waterfalls. Even when El herself said about this fantasy :” life isn’t like one of your campaigns, you can’t write the ending.” And he proceeds to do just that (re-write HER ending and everyone else's)! Just like the Duffers , Mike didn't see the real her, only a fantasy of her. To them she was just a a symbol of "childhood magic "(like the characters in Mike's childhood game). Mike also doesn’t move on like everyone else , and the party seemingly drifts apart and he’s alone like he always feared. He never becomes "Mike the brave" in the finale either ,unlike Holly the heroic or even Will the sorcerer who said he'll no longer be "afraid". And Mike is left with "regrets", that he said he wanted to prevent. How weirdly (and unintentionally) bleak for a self-insert character? Divorce get to you Ross?

Also having an open ending can theoretically work. But if El dying and El surviving both have GAPING PLOT HOLES. It's just poor writing.

Have almost all the character spy and stalk a love interest. Jonathan using the camera on Nancy , Lucas using binoculars to spy on max, Steve spying on a girl he was into in s3 with binoculars, El /Max spying on Mike & Lucas after their breakup Aka: stalking for love trope.

Why did the characters spying on one another parallel the hyper-surveillance of the us gov, or the spying of the mindflayer? Duffers probably: "no reason, we just do parallels for fun with no deep thematics behind it." They also had Jonathan throw out Nancy's sweater cause it was pink . SMH duffers’ incel energy unfairly affecting Jonathan’s character. Some aspects of how the women were written were done well. But, sometimes subconscious misogyny seemed to seep through -by the duffers or another writer . Besides Kali/El's endings being evidence of that. Why was Tina "the worst" in the family, when Derick was clearly the menace before his redemption arc? Was it necessary to have the children call Holly a b*tch, strangle her, and throw her down the stairs? I could go on...

I have mixed feelings about this next one, because they tortured Max for s2-5 . And frankly I would have preferred if Max just broke the curse in s4 , like Will broke the m.f's control in s2. So, I'm glad she got her happy ending in s5 . I get that realistically : her bones healed, and her atrophied muscles healed too (even thought they ignored the fact that Max would also realistically be on a feeding tube and IV while in the the hospital). But , the fact vecna's curse was broken so her blindness is just gone... I'm curious how some other viewers with disabilities felt about this? Lucas even claimed Mike was "blind" because of a girl. So Max being "blind" was possibly a call back. You could argue Max being physically fine in the end is part of the "throwing off the disability" trope.

They play Hopper’s explosive anger as a joke even in the finale (haha so cute that he’s yelling at Joyce’s son for making a simple camera mistake.) Let’s have Joyce get with a guy with anger issues even though she already divorced a guy who would yell and insult her sons . Hopper had some great characterization even in the finale but they flanderized and tried to make his anger issues comical from s3 and beyond . The way he talked to her in s3 was appalling . Hopper in s3 is made into a male power fantasy : an angry , gun slinger , who was based off of magnum pi and other macho men from that era of tv/film . Joyce doesn’t get with nerdy, sweet, emotionally intelligent bob whose had a crush on her since high school (he is brutally killed looking at her with love ). "Nice guys can't win": all cause the nerdy Duffers didn't pull in high school.

So instead she gets with the macho archetype from the era . Even when Murray in s3 pointed out that Jim reminded her of Lonnie . Why even have him say this if we're supposed to want them together??? Duffers really struggle to write healthy relationships.

Also Hopper (the white burly cop) saying he wanted to "kill" Kali (the petite brown woman) was SO DISGUSTING, especially in this political climate. The optics were very problematic. And at that point in the story (from Hopper's pov) all she did was call him out for lying . He even insulted her ,to her face, when she tried to calmly talk to him. It was just really awful to watch- especially cause Kali didn't make it in the end.

Have Murray go through military checkpoints, and be the one that drives aid & food into a fenced-in town under military occupation . When Brett Gelman is a racist Zionist who supported the Military siege , bombing, blocking of aid and starvation of Gazans who were also in an enclosed fenced city .

And Palestinians outside of Gaza also have to use different roads and go through various military checkpoints unlike their Israeli counterparts (as part of the 70+ year apartheid). Having the kids literally escape the occupying military force by going into tunnels (was a choice when israel uses the fact Gaza has tunnels as an excuse to bomb hospitals, schools, churches, mosques, etc). And having Murray blow up a military helicopter (while palestinian kids are often arrested for simply throwing rocks at Israeli tanks is interesting). But, I guess none of these characters are "terr*rists of the state" or get arrested for decades without trial like Palestinians do . Even when these characters in ST actually killed a bunch of soldiers- they're not deemed as "terr*rists". HMMMMMMMM wonder why? Also look how "realism" is randomly gone again (guess it's only important for gay suffering and k*lling off ab*sed women). It could be a coincidence. Or , at best, it's one of the other writers taking a dig at Brett Gellman. As he's the only character who gets to go through the checkpoints at ease -unlike the Hawkins citizens . Similar to how israelies are able to go through military checkpoints in occupied Palestine with ease unlike their Palestinian counterparts) .

And if not, they're using the plight of Palestinian trauma as window dressing for their show (or even worse mocking the people who wanted to boycott s5 due to their 2 actors' comments against Palestine).

In s3, they essentially do cold-war propaganda (common in the 80s) within the show by making the communist soviets cartoonishly evil. All while Erica is used as a conservative mouth piece: who praises American Capitalism . And she is described as a genius "political junkie" (after she claims America is a meritocracy and people get payed based on their contributions to society... ok, respectfully don't agree with that take tbh).

Ignore the fact that at this exact same time Regan as president popularized "trickle down economics" (otherwise known as Regeanomics) : which is the cause of most of our economic issues today . He also cut & reduced funding for many of our social-programs by running on a campaign that used a racist dog whistle against black women .

So yeah, maybe i'm too sensitive and overthinking it (unlike the Duffers, apparently). But having the (possibly) white conservative writers make her say this whole spiel : feels very icky, and a bit tone death given the political climate at that time. Jonathan tbf does an "anti-capitalist" movie in the finale. But it rings hollow, when the stranger things creators are seemingly very pro-capitalist. Down to the obnoxious product placements, the merch, spin off shows/books/comics/food etc. After the finale, the Duffer Brothers even started offering a writing class of all things, which is only available through a subscription platform (again cause they can never have enough money apparently). They think : THEY deserve all that money for THEIR contribution to society (don't blow up their ego more, and let them take your money while looking down on you)!!!!

The Duffers claim it’s a show for outcasts but at the end of the day- it’s just a show for nerdy white Incels or men .

It has a veneer of progressiveness, but it isn’t in actuality. They claim the show is against "conformity" but ironically falls into many of the conformist tropes and writing conventions that have been critiqued as harmful for decades. It uses marginalized people and women to get browning points. But, It's not progressive at it's core (it's regressive)! It didn't challenge many of the out-dated (and harmful) tropes we don't want to see in media today. IF ANYTHING THEY BROUGHT BACK MANY PROBLEMATIC TROPES.

You could also argue the show is subtle & insidious : historical revisionism.

A few years ago I’d give them more credit with the symbolism , parallels, music choices, set design, foreshadowing, etc (which usually amounted to nothing). I thought some of the problematic writing was intentional subtext and symbolism for a greater reveal (or that most of these tropes would later be subverted or explained as problematic in the narrative ) . But that finale along with all the plot holes, and poor writing choices, made me question the entire series as a whole. To be fair a lot of redeeming aspects of the show may have been attributable to less famous writers of the show, directors/producers, set designers, music composers, etc . Some of the highest rated episodes weren't written by the Duffers (or had other writers reeling in the Duffers problematic elements). The s5 writer's strike probably didn't help. And midway through s5 they got rid of one of their female writers /co executive producers (Kate Tefry) who was involved since s1 .Instead of helping finish s5, she worked on the spin-off play instead (which could explain the nose dive s5 took ):

I also do sort of believe in divorce gate: the conspiracy theory about Leigh Janiak (Ross' ex wife) maybe being a ghost writer. She's a screenwriter and director (who has worked on Ross' other projects).The divorce filing occurred after part 1. Leigh also made the 'fear street trilogy': it was diverse, set in the 90s, had a straight bait instead of a queer-bait, and had the main character save her gf from possession/death. Love was the cure. It also had a bunch of st easterggs down to a bleeding nostril to allude to the supernatural, and staring 3 actresses from ST. Maya hawke's character even worked at a video store. Leigh complained that "queer subtext is not the same as real representation" and that she despised when writers would do queer subtext but never follow through (explaining it was one of the reasons she made fear street). Hmm. The duffers were also sued for allegedly stealing others' work twice (so I would not be surprised if he stole creative work or ideas from his wife too). The first lawsuit, filed by filmmaker Charlie Kessler in 2018, claimed the Duffers stole his idea from his 2012 short film Montauk (after he pitched it to them at the Tribeca Film Festival in 2014).The second lawsuit, filed in 2020 by Irish Rover Entertainment, alleged that the show was based on an unpublished script called Totem written by Jeffrey Kennedy, with similarities in plot, characters, and concept art. This lawsuit was settled out of court in 2023.

Regardless of whether those rumors are true . We should not reward or normalize the Duffers writing in Hollywood : they do harmful/regressive tropes and messaging, use easterggs/call backs that have no deeper meaning, and can't complete a story without many plot holes and ret-cons. They even normalized short seasons which take much longer to make : when shows shortly before st's initial airing had 25+ (45 minute) episodes. That were created in less time with similar or better quality. That's not even getting into all the rumors/ allegations of the Duffers mistreating their staff...

I know some may disagree with my takes here , but I just wanted to get my grievances out so I never have to think of this awful series again.*Feel free to add to this list of issues in reblogs or comments.

[byler-brainrot]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/76921486

My first Byler fic post-finale.

Hope you enjoy. <3

[byler-brainrot]

Just wanted to let y'all know this now has two more chapters, and I plan to write even more! I'm usually more of a one-shot writer, but I just adore this universe I'm building and I can't seem to stop thinking about it lol

[byler-brainrot]

Chapter four is out now!

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[byler-brainrot]

Time for chapter 5!

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[byler-brainrot]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/76921486

My first Byler fic post-finale.

Hope you enjoy. <3

[byler-brainrot]

Just wanted to let y'all know this now has two more chapters, and I plan to write even more! I'm usually more of a one-shot writer, but I just adore this universe I'm building and I can't seem to stop thinking about it lol

[byler-brainrot]

Chapter four is out now!

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

[dukeofdelirium]

Literally what do I even say to the people telling me this wasn't queerbait. Even queer people are trying to claim "it was obviously never going to happen, you make us look bad" because they're fishing for straight approval. I'm sick to my stomach, how are people not seeing the problem here???

Byler was queerbait, regardless of what anyone says.

Queerbait: a marketing technique where creators hint at LGBTQ+ themes or romance to attract queer audiences without actually depicting queer relationships, often to avoid alienating homophobic viewers while still gaining revenue.

Byler was queerbait not only because it was narratively set up and repeatedly hinted at in the show, but also because it was hinted at in the marketing and promotion of the show. They sold merchandise that represented Will’s romantic love for Mike, they refused to answer the question about whether it would be canon in order to bait their queer audience and give us hope, and most of all, they refused to even acknowledge the narrative set up for byler in the final half of the series ending because they couldn’t do so without making it canon.

They used famous romantic tropes for byler, such as the “playing Cyrano” trope, which is prevalent in hundreds of media. They used other tropes like the interruption trope, to create romantic tension and audience expectation. They kept mileven ambiguous until the last hour of the final episode, to bait queer fans into continuing to watch the show. They refused to resolve the entire narrative plot point of Will’s painting lie to Mike because they literally couldn’t resolve it without making it canon, because mileven’s entire existence after s4 was built upon a lie and on Will’s feelings.

They knew they had a sizable queer audience after season 4. They refused to give a yes or no answer about byler, acting as if it was a spoiler, in order to make us hope for it being canon. That IS queerbait.

Beyond that, they made the audience question whether Mike even loved El. They wrote a canonical love triangle and never resolved it. They made Finn act Mike as ambiguous and in such a way that made people think he could be gay.

They retconned their season 4 plot of Will giving up on Mike, by making Will unexplainably hopeful Mike could love him back, all to make their queer audience hopeful alongside him.

Even their final 1 on 1 scene was bait. They made Mike say “friends? No thanks” and then made him have a really long pause where Will himself had hope along WITH us, only for Mike to then say “best friends”. That itself was bait. They literally wrote that purely to make us hopeful one last time only to immediately crush us. That was them mocking us.

Queerbait exists out of cowardice and homophobia. It is designed to gaslight us and to make fun of us. They lied to us the entire promo of s5, saying Finn and Noah filmed almost entirely together which wasn’t true, saying Finn and Noah carried the final episodes and pairing them together which wasn’t true, saying that the painting lie would be paid off which wasn’t true, etc.

Every single part of this was bait. It is genuinely the most insane queerbait of all time, because it is so deeply woven into the narrative.

Other famous queerbaits like johnlock and destiel aren’t even this egregious.

The entire reason we believed byler couldn’t possibly be bait was because it didn’t adhere to the rules of queerbait. As in, most people didn’t even ship it until after season 4, despite it always narratively existing. That and, they didn’t market it until s4 and s5, so they weren’t really gaining views or money, at least not anything compared to the wider audience. As I said, queerbait exists to gain views and money. Stranger Things was already the most famous show in the world, so the fact it is bait is nonsensical. They literally didn’t need to do it.

They didn’t queerbait for money or views. They queerbaited literally just to be cruel. They queerbaited for the love of the game, deadass.

[as-intimidating-as-a-butterfly]

“I mean what did you think, really? That a show about nerds and outcasts was gonna have a well-written queer romance? That, in the end, queer love could help save the world?”

Yeah I guess I did. I really did.

[byler-brainrot]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/76921486

My first Byler fic post-finale.

Hope you enjoy. <3

[byler-brainrot]

Just wanted to let y'all know this now has two more chapters, and I plan to write even more! I'm usually more of a one-shot writer, but I just adore this universe I'm building and I can't seem to stop thinking about it lol

[narrativelogicofbyler]

i honestly think byler stands as one of the most blatant cases of queerbaiting the industry has produced in the last decade. and i don’t say that lightly. this isn’t a case of fans “reading too much into it” or projecting subtext where none exists. this is a case where the text itself deliberately builds a queer emotional arc, frames it with all the cinematic language of a romantic storyline, and then cannibalises that arc to reinforce a straight couple that was already structurally unstable.

they took a queer character’s feelings, his longing, his emotional labour, his narrative vulnerability, and used them as scaffolding for a relationship he isn’t even part of. they lifted will’s emotional beats, his confessions, his heartbreak, and simply stamped el’s name on top like it was an interchangeable sticker. from a craft perspective, it’s not just sloppy; it’s narratively unethical. it treats queer interiority as a tool rather than a story. it treats a queer character’s pain as a convenient emotional engine for a heterosexual romance that couldn’t sustain itself on its own terms.

and the thing is, this isn’t subtle. it’s not buried in symbolism or blink and you’ll miss it gestures. it’s right there in the blocking, the framing, the colour theory, the dialogue, the emotional pacing. it’s the kind of thing you’d pause in a lecture hall and say, “okay, class, here’s what happens when a show wants the cultural capital of queer representation without committing to the narrative responsibility of actually following through.”

it’s genuinely one of the worst cases of queerbaiting i’ve seen in mainstream tv, not because the queerness wasn’t explicit, but because it was explicit, and then it was repurposed to prop up a straight romance that the writers were too afraid to let fail on its own merits

[byler-brainrot]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/76921486

My first Byler fic post-finale.

Hope you enjoy. <3

[thecomplexitiesofmymind]

Mike canonically always being late…

Will saying he had a crush on someone…

something something Mike thinks it’s too late for him to confess to Will now something something but what he doesn’t know is that he may be late but this time he isn’t too late.

[defleptic]

Can anyone explain to me why I'm seeing so many people say Will was forced to come out to everyone because of fear? Did it fly over my head? I'm not the brightest bulb, but??? Am I misremembering ?

He said Vecna showed him what would happen if he DID come out, that people would push him away (aimed at Mike) or worry too much (aimed at joyce). But to me, it seemed like he came out to everyone DESPITE Vecna trying to make him scared to do so. Vecna showed him visions of his family and friends turning for the worse if he came out, so Will finding the courage to do so is in SPITE of the fear Vecna tried to instill into him. Thats how I read into it, at least.

But yeah, I'm just a little confused 🧎‍♂️

I mean I AM an optimist still. Maybe im insane for holding onto hope, but it is saddening to see so many people give up before the finale :(