i'm kind of an incorrigible lore guy at heart but i also like nice art and shitposts. also i guess i just post a lot about gaster now unfortunately
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tag reference:
$ Speculation Station
theory, analysis, and readings by others addressing general UTDR topics. this can include any ideas or opinions that i find valuable, regardless of the degree to which i specifically agree with them. i have a certain affinity for any perspectives that engage with lore in thoughtful and meaningful ways
$ Chad’s Farts (Fanarts)
dumb pictures i drew lol
$ Chadley Deltaruminations Original Lorepost Corner
my own theory, analysis, and/or readings. i try to reserve this for posts that i think others might actually find valuable. if a post has this tag, it means it's a sincere opinion, even if it sounds stupid as hell
$ 666 Mystery Man Lore Hell
a catalogue of my descent into Gaster Simp Madness. includes sincere opinions (overlapping with previous tag), shitposts, and also sincere opinions disguised as shitposts. this tag largely exists because i think it funne but also to draw a distinction between actual lore exploration and goofy fanfiction Bull’s Shit (see next tag)
(addendum: $ 420 Non Gaster Lore Hell is a more generalized version of the above)
$ Wingdings the Boy (deprecated)
posts that explore the single most important question in all of UTDR: what if WD Gaster was a teenager who went to high school and made friends and it was cute. this headcanon space or whatever is informed by some genuine lore opinions but is not representative of them lol
$ Fault Lines
sort of an evolution of the previous tag that takes itself a little more seriously (unfortunately). Teen Gaster Bullshit Ahoy. kind of a vehicle for embarrassingly sincere dess/gaster content. sorry
$ Waltz of a Shattered Man
secondary gaster analysis tag because i guess im just that much of a fucking Gaster Guy (the worst kind of theory guy) now lol. this is meant to collect opinionated character analysis in particular moreso than lore/story stuff, but could overlap with 666 Mystery Man Lore Hell. these are also sincere opinions unfortunately
$ Cringe Jail for Fandom Fail (deprecated — see #Headcanon Zone)
dumping ground for deranged headcanons. feel free to filter this one out lol. you should read the tag name to the tune of the bill nye theme btw
$ shitpost zone
self-explanatory
$ deltatunes
musique
(the '$' in my tags is a flag to distinguish personal metadata from fandom tags & tagtalk)
kingdings has always seemed very heavily tied to more dadly type understandings of gaster so i think it's funny that people are still into it even after the popularization of green and in between broster who died in his early 30s. asgore still holding a candle for his ex-wife while seeking intimacy with a 27 year old twink who is also his employee... very midlife crisis of him
toby posted this track just to fuck with me specifically i think. he was like hm what's a track from chapter 5 that everyone will mostly ignore except for that one lunatic on tumblr who will spend the next year and a half agonizing over whether or not there's a plausible man.ogg quote at 0:42
when the question comes up of how kris knows penumbra horseshit like Songs From The Nondiegetic Soundtrack, Including Ones We Haven't Heard Yet etc. my hunch is that. i mean. they're working with the roaring knight. knight told them. if gaster's kid-lackey has the whole prophecy then i don't see why TRK's kid-lackey wouldn't also know some things. and i guess maybe that sounds anticlimactic and auraless compared to theories like "kris composed the soundtrack with dess during their games" or "deltarune is a timeloop and kris remembers previous loops" etc. but like i've said before i find it compelling to think that kris is an otherwise normal kid saddled with Jevil And Spamton Type Knowledge and is trying to process it like they are. they're trying to translate it into terms that make sense to them, and the terms that make sense to kris are the same ones we're using: video games. mods and hacks. Legend of Tenna. we know kris used to search up VGM piano tutorials. they're playing this music on the piano like it's a video game soundtrack, because a video game soundtrack isn't scary or overwhelming. they can understand a song and learn to play it themself and put their own spin on it and feel ownership of it. they can even enjoy it. like, the soundtrack is good lol. kris plays these pieces on piano to decompress and self-soothe because the terrifying trumpeting of the cosmos happens to also be straight bops. i find that very endearing and bittersweet
gaster fully expects to "win" this session at the end of the prophecy and seize narrative control from his rival. he doesn't actually have that yet, and maybe he never really has, he's just created the illusion that he's already in charge. so, okay, he just wants us to reach the end and then he gets his turn to play touys while his rival has to go timeout for pushing him into the dirt and making him eat worms and then telling the whole class he's a Worm Pervert who loves to eat worms. the problem is that gaster doesn't actually want total narrative control. he never did. he'll take it if it's the best he can get, if the only alternative is getting slam dunked into lockers by a cool jock forever, because eventually that stops being hot and is just hurtful, but what he wants even more than that is to collaborate. that was always the point of this for him. he's bitter and pissed off at his rival but he doesn't actually hate them; once upon a time they were his friend and they had fun playing touys, Together. his ideal is to go back to that, but unless something really significant changes in the status quo, his rival will always choose conflict over cooperation. he knows that when he goes to claim the "pen" or whatever, and asks them to join him, they'll refuse.(1) so maybe the thing that's more important than reaching the end, for him, is making the last ditch effort to break through to them. maybe that's why he tracks shadow crystals -- the idea that he could gather up the pieces of a broken connection, drain the poison from it, and put it back together, probably sounds too good to be true. and it probably is
(1) there are echoes of asgore & toriel in this but i also think it's more complicated than that lol. i would guess for the rival it's like, as long as they stay in conflict ("playing a game"?) then the rival has a certain degree of control over him; he can't get too close to them but he also won't give up and leave them. if they accept the invitation then the game will end and they don't know what will happen next and that scares them. this is my, other hypotesis
to me "changing the prophecy" is a moot point because I Believe it's ultimately just a prediction. it's not instructive of fate, it's just a description of how that fate is expected to go, so even if you Could change the prophecy, it wouldn't matter because "fate" is going to be whatever it is regardless. fate dont caare. you could replace the final prophecy with a dreamworks movie dance party if you wanted to but all that does is set false expectations for no good reason
what you could maybe do, theoretically, is disprove the prediction, which has already happened in small ways (ex. susie was predicted to wear ribbons, but doesn't). we often fail to consider that, like, gaster can be 99.9999...% certain of a given outcome, and be planning for that outcome (because it would be foolish not to), while still scraping for the infinitesimal chance for something different -- like, yeah, he can make the expected outcome work for him if he has to, but maybe there's something he wants even More than that, so he's throwing everything he has at the situation in the hope of juking those odds even slightly. do you ever think about how gaster wrote a list of rigid, uncompromising paternal expectations in a notoriously fragile material and then presented it as a freaking religious institution to a bunch of misfit teenagers, an unpredictable extradimensional daimon, and a punk rock lunatic with a baseball bat. even goody two shoes ralsei was trying to resist it. if he actually wants everything to go exactly to plan then like, sorry, but is he fucking stupid. is this gaster is a fucking idiot theory. or is it possible that he knows these people are prone to rebellion and he's leveraging that, intentionally provoking them to say "fuck you, you're not my dad" and rail against those expectations whenever possible, because the more they resist, the greater the chance that something could meaningfully change. you can say "well he doesn't have to worry about resistance because he can just enforce it anyway" but when has he EVER enforced it, even with his own kid-lackey. he straight up encourages going "off-script." he lets susie override player choices. he allows the goddamned weird route! and anyway, if he knows it's guaranteed regardless, then why do the prophecy shit in the first place if it just causes even more trouble for him. we literally saw how demoralized the delta warriors were at the end of chapter 4. it's almost like he WANTS them to look at the ending ahead of time and think it sucks and want to do everything in their power to avoid it. or something
i think this is kind of like seam's thing with the shadow crystals -- seam is a huge fatalist, they have almost zero faith that anything could ever be different, but the crystals give them a flicker of hope anyway. if nothing else, it's something interesting and novel to entertain them while anticipating the inevitable. this isn't even Good Guy Gastering because maybe what gaster wants sucks even worse than the status quo. maybe he wants to seize full control over the story and rewrite it to be a slice of life cozy game about friendship and baking, which is so devoid of conflict and condescending and boring that it might as well be hell. i don't fucking know. i'm just saying i think it's hasty to assume that the prophecy being unchanging is the same thing as "fate" being unchanging. the prediction is static because that's how predictions work. it's like gaster read the book and then went into the story and spoiled every major plot beat ahead of time, TO the heroes, and sat back to see what they do about it. without that knowledge, the heroes would just accept what happens as the natural consequences of actions taken through free will. they would conform to the plot outline without even realizing it. sure, on the one hand, knowing expectations might bias the heroes into dutifully fulfilling them, but that would have happened anyway. on the other hand, the heroes can't choose to resist expectations if they don't know what those expectations are, or that they even exist in the first place
i think genderbend papyrus would be like a lululemon pilates woman. she would have a juicer and put whole eggs in the juicer. she would lead yoga classes like a drill sergeant
couple of weeks ago i got a bit zooted weedways and was reading about the "scapegoat" in ancient judaic tradition (because i realized i only knew the colloquial meaning) and observed that kris and ralsei both: are attached to sacrificial motifs/themes (ex. "kris" at least partially deriving from "christ," ralsei being at least partially goat-like); serve as the kid-lackey for a big shot (kris for the roaring knight, ralsei for gaster); have red textile accessories around their necks (the red band being what marks the scapegoat, which will live and be cast into the wilderness, from the goat that will die as a sin offering). you could look at that rhyme scheme from the unused end3 panel and guess that it could have led to something about one dying while the other "is cast away" or what have you. the idea of casting lots to determine the fate of the offerings seems like it could be echoed in deltarune's motifs of chance games and dice... as well as motifs of cheating... so i had the thought that maybe both big shots have prepared an "offering" of a kid, and if both kids are already going in with red bands, marked as if the lot will fall to them (being scapegoated rather than simply killed), maybe this symbolizes that both sides are trying to cheat the outcome. so that's all interesting but i also have no idea what any of it could mean in practice, like Why a ritual like this would be valuable to them at all, if sin isn't real and these bozos themselves are "god," what is the point of them preparing ritual offerings to themselves. and anyway, keeping in mind that i was zonked out of my gourd at the time, the idea my brain decided to latch onto was gaster and the roaring knight basically playing pokemon with teenagers. like, they're trying to settle a pissing match by determining which one raised the more powerful 16 year old. and i don't know how much i actually believe in this idea but i can't stop thinking about it. two adults throwing kids at one another like beyblades
consider: if the Prophecy scheme is a power grab (gaster in a sense trying to "steal" the narrative from TRK) and the festival is indeed an "Angelmas" commemorating the Angel (which might be how gaster redefined his role in his retelling of the story) then this motherfucker really is doing a jack skellington even down to stealing a holiday
what's funny is i do actually have a crack theory about Mike, which is that Real Mike was also multiple guys pretending to be one guy. alternatively Real Mike is just gaster in a beaglepuss
on the topic of the “fallen star” potentially “weeping” the prophecy into existence, i guess we might actually learn more of the mythology around the angel/genesis/etc (at least a simplified or sanitized version of it) through some festival pageant, or through recollections of it, since we know (or it's at least been hinted? i don't remember exactly) that noelle performed as the "angel" when she was a kid. like, oh yeah, we've heard all about the gay little prophecy but no one's ever actually told us what the angel itself is supposed to be or what it represents to these people. of course it makes sense to do exposition on that beyond a single out of context passage in a secret book. angel mythos could go kind of crazy now that i think about it. would be interesting to see a staged retelling in comparison to the esoteric fallen star type horseshit in the church because if they're having children perform the main roles then you have to imagine such a pageant is something akin to a passion play by way of veggie tales. i love the idea of introducing the in-universe religious mythos this way it's really funny to imagine theorists during the wait for the final chapters pulling their hair out in clumps trying to use the fallen star passage as a rosetta stone to parse actual Angel Lore from the ProphecyKidz retelling of it as clumsily performed by second graders
(various other festival type musings ->)
that reminds me: someone on youtube was talking about the taped off road potentially leading to a new area like a fairgrounds and i think i broadly agree because where else is a whole ass ferris wheel going to sit. where else would the stage be. we know the festival will be all over town but an additional fairgrounds or plaza type area as a focal point seems appropriate, very chrono trigger. anyway i like the idea that the hypothetical plaza has a statue or several (perhaps A FOUNTAIN????) depicting religious figures and/or scenes. maybe we get our first unobstructed glimpse of the angel, but there's also one with a depiction of the knight that looks obviously wrong in certain ways so we can infer that the angel one is an interpretation too lol. this isn't a serious prediction i just think it'd be neat. i like the idea of revealing a surprise new area on Festival Of So Far Unspecified Occasion Day and then the area itself punches you in the throat with freaky ominous cult nonsense, especially after 4 chapters of hanging out in this godforsaken lynchian backwater and knowing there's a seedier underbelly to it but also being accustomed to it at least Looking broadly normal. imagine the townsfolk are really nonchalant about having this statue garden of frightening mythological War of Heaven and Hell type apocalyptic art in the middle of their quaint new hampshire village they're just like "oh yeah this is the plaza. it's normal. there's a farmers' market here on saturdays”
kind of an aside but there is a real holiday typically celebrated in the fall that is called, no joke, Michaelmas, in celebration of the archangel (particularly for his defeat of Satan in the War In Heaven). a major symbol of Michaelmas is the "Michaelmas daisy" which is another name for, no joke, asters (the European Michaelmas daisy, Aster amellus, is even the type species for the aster genus and family). of course i wouldn't expect the festival to be literal Michaelmas but if the festival is a kind of "Angelmas" specifically focused on commemorating Da Angel, and part of this celebration involves covering the town in flowers, then it's kind of a funny coincidence isn't it
of course jackenstein is a festival decoration, apparently, which is interesting because none of the other hints about the festival so far sound especially halloween-coded (no one is really talking about getting costumes or candy ready) and Halloween IS celebrated in town (one of toriel's wallpapers mentions it by name). so maybe jackenstein isn't a Halloween decoration so much as he's a Halloween decoration repurposed as a Festival decoration or stage prop. in that case lord only knows what the hell he's supposed to represent LOL he has some arguable roryisms so what if someone carries him around like a mari lwyd-esque stick puppet representing “the roaring knight” and has him sing songs and playfully spook the kids and shit like that. like jack as a darkner reflects an experience of monstrousness and fear and ridicule because he was cobbled together just to serve as a comedic boogeyman version of what is perhaps the religion’s villain/devil/betrayer figure
sorry. last thing. i know i say shit like this ad nauseum but if gaster is indeed Da Angel then surely there is no funnier time to introduce regular guy “wingdings” than immediately following “MY DELTARUNE,” in the chapter where everyone in this weird town is now celebrating the big angel holiday. that's really good right. i feel like that's extremely good. imagine this poor lonely schmuck trying and failing to fit into the community during this festival that, unbeknownst to him or anyone else around him, is effectively celebrating him. he's a smart, rational, deeply weird young guy who's probably unpopular even under less lynchian circumstances so imagine he spends the day feeling put off by all the reverence for the angel and relating more to the rejected and reviled satan figure (again, maybe the knight), while also separately developing a lot of sympathy for this lost girl who may have been a bit weird and alienated or even bullied for it. it's such a rich vein of dramatic irony yelling at the screen type metafuckery no matter how you slice it. it's so awesome. it kicks ass
fallen star passage is (at least partially) a prophecy creation myth... i have been saying this... the emotional subtext of "weeping" and "bitterness" characterizing the cause and substance of the prophecy's creation seems perhaps important. "bitter" especially is very specific; in the context of tears (that is, a response to distress) it implies toxicity, poison, a kind of pain that is specifically angry and resentful. i feel like we often gloss over this part of it
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