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The “we are fashioned in the likeness of gods” concept is definitely a Christianity holdover; human depictions of the gods are of course human in appearance. Our depictions of them reflect our understanding, not their actuality.
Ask Semele.
I just recently found out that another polytheist whom’d I’d thought of as a friend holds extremely racist and xenophobic opinions.
As disturbing as that has been, it was made even worse by the corresponding surprise that they assumed I share their views.
So, I’m going to spell this out so no one here can claim to be ignorant of my views:
I reject and oppose racism, xenophobia, classicism, sexism, misogyny, mysoginoir, transmysoginy, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, sanism, ageism. There’s probably more, but this makes a good start.
This is my opinion about the Greek and Roman gods:
The gods are not “Greek” or “Roman”. They existed before Greeks or Romans - or any human being - existed. Their decision to appear in human form was a divine kindness, since their true form can incinerate humans who behold it. They can appear in any form they choose. Humans should never flatter themselves that they look like the gods. The appearance of the gods in human form does not imply that the gods accept humanity as their equals. Humans have the potential to become divine, but it is a privilege that must be earned.
The gods became patrons of the Greeks and Romans of their divine kindness, NOT because the Greeks and Romans were exceptional among humanity, and certainly NOT because the physical appearance of the Greeks and Romans was like that of the gods or valued more highly by the gods than the physical appearance of any other humans.
The gods see humanity as ONE species - the human race.
Therefore, the gods may be respectfully imagined in any combination of human skin-tone, hair color, or bodily proportion which is beautiful to the artist.
The gods’ most basic expectation from humanity is not worship, but virtue. Xenia (hospitality) is one of the oldest virtues of human-kind. Racism and xenophobia represent the diametric opposite of xenia and, furthermore, demonstrate the hubris of belief that anyone is somehow “better” than another based upon where they or their ancestors were born.
If anyone wants to stand out from the rest, to be a truly extraordinary human, they should strive to practice virtue, for that is - sadly - the rarest quality to be found in this selfish and violent world.
Sorry to hear that this happened, some people can hide parts of themselves extremely well. I agree, no discrimination of any kind is welcome here.
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At the Mountains of Madness
Water is a good offering. Olive oil is a good offering. Flowers are a good offering. Written poetry is a good offering. Singing is a good offering. Milk is a good offering. Drawing is a good offering. Wine is a good offering. Candles are a good offering. Incense is a good offering.
The ancient Greeks used what they had around them as offerings, use what you have around you. Yes, the luxurious offerings are great to give, but many of you have asked us what you can do for offerings when you’re short on money. Use what you have around you. Be creative, or just offer some water. You have options and no limits to give an offering.
“Apollo and Daphne”, Gian Lorenzo Bernini.
If the devil has a pitchfork and the grim reaper has a scythe, is agriculture a major industry in the underworld?
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“The existence of the gods is a helpful thing; so let us believe in them. Let us offer wine and incense on ancient altars. The gods do not live in a state of quiet repose, like sleep. Divine power is all around us: live a moral life! Return property held in trust, live up to agreements, be honest; keep your hands free from bloodshed.”
— Ovid, “Bacchus and Ariadne”, Ancient Rome: An Anthology of Sources, edited by R. Scott Smith. Indianapolis: Hackett Publishing, 2014, p 245. (via honorthegods)
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Hi, I was recently kicked out of my worship group because I told one of my (ex) friends that everyone in the group must be lucky because they all seem to regularly communicate with our main theoi but I don't even get a usual response,and then she told the leader and whatever and now i've been dubbed as not being faithful enough to really deserve to be messaged. What do I do? Is it a common thing for followers to be talked to daily or weekly by their theoi?
So, first I want to say that was a really shitty thing for them to do. Fuck them. Now, let’s talk about why they’re wrong.
You can NOT measure faith by how many signs or messages a person gets. That’s just not how it works. Some people are sensitive to messages from the divine, some aren’t. And it’s not even remotely okay to question someone’s faith because they can’t perceive divine messages as well as someone else.
Some very devout people go their lives without experiencing a sign or a message. It’s not a sign of devotion or worthiness.
In a survey I conducted of over 200 Hellenic polytheists here on tumblr, 5% said they had NEVER experienced anything they would attribute as a sign or divine message. Another 22% said they weren’t sure. That’s over a quarter of the people surveyed who said they may or may not have or straight up don’t believe they ever have gotten a sign.
Of the people who said they experienced signs, only 9% said they experienced signs multiple times a month.
It sounds to me like your old group is experiencing some major ingroup confirmation bias where one person says they got a sign and everyone else starts confirming those experiences in order to not feel left out or less special. You don’t need to be part of a group like that anyway, because you’ll almost never get genuine conversation about religious and spiritual experiences.
It’s impossible to grow in your faith if everyone has this imaginary bar that THEY can’t even reach, so they can’t help you figure out how to reach it either, but they’re still trying to make you feel like less for not reaching (or claiming to reach) their imaginary bar. In that environment you just end up constantly questioning yourself, instead of being able to actually focus on personal growth.
The appropriate response from anyone who is genuinely seeking to help you grow in your faith is not to kick you out of the group the first hint they get at you not being “faithful enough”, but is to help you grow your faith. Sounds to me very much like they kicked you out because they didn’t want anyone actually questioning them and were worried that others would start to question them as well if there was an opposing voice within the group. When that confirmation bias is questioned (actively or not) by someone saying “I didn’t experience anything” other people very quickly feel more comfortable admitting that they didn’t experience it either.
I’m here if you want to talk at all, and I know it can be hard without a physical group to connect with, but there are plenty of good, honest people here on tumblr who are willing to share their faith and genuine spiritual experiences in an atmosphere that can help all involved parties grow closer to their deities.
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Ariadne: Just go in there and be mean and nasty and unattractive.
Dionysus: I’m not that good an actor.
Don’t EVER use the Gods to justify your hatred
Racism is not divine, and neither are you. May you rot with your beliefs and fester
The Gods continue to be the Best and I’m eternally grateful to have the opportunity in life to worship them.
