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Feeling a bit frustrated at the lack of Red tegu specific information about care. It’s so hard to even find a picture of an adult that isn’t obese or has healthy looking skin and scales.
Obviously there is something in husbandry that’s missing for the reds specifically. Most black and whites, even the ones kept poorly look healthier than most of the reds I am seeing. I don’t want a future of incorrect diet or parameters for my boy.
I’ll read that refs need more humidity, how much more, no one knows, then I’ll read they need LESS humidity.
They need MORE fish in their diets—oh no, actually LESS fish.
More fruit—actually no! Only a LITTLE fruit!
Whole prey as a staple—NO only as a snack!
Dog food—NO DOG FOOD!
The same goes for taming them, there’s so much mixed information. I’m not confident I’ll do it right and end up with a nice adult tegu.
Seriously though there must be some way to keep male red tegus from looking like balloon animals with dry ashy skin??
I just want the best life for my little guy, he deserves the effort 😓
If this post breaks into the reptile side of tumbler and any of you have healthy reds, tell me your secrets! And show me your beautiful lizards 😆
@kaijutegu got any words of wisdom to help with a little buddy?
oh god ok yeah so reds
First thing first, the reason the adults look so dusty is because a lot of them don't have the right burrow access. Tegus need to be able to burrow in substrate that holds humidity, and a lot of them don't get it. The b/ws don't get so dry-looking because of the dark pigment, it hides a multitude of sins.
Second thing second, taming them does work just like the b/ws. There's no one right way to do it- and the Reptifiles taming page is a great place to start! Go slow, be gentle, and god, if you have a male, target train him early. I know we have mixed feelings about Clint these days, but his tegu target training video explains exactly why you gotta target train the big boys. Those jaw muscles are not a joke. (You should target train the girls too, tegus are smart and respond well to training. Good mental stimulation!)
But onto the knowledge-production problem that is Salvator rufescens. This is going to be long and rambly and frustrated.
The red tegu is a conundrum of an animal in captivity. We have way less info on them because when people were figuring out how to keep these things alive, they were doing it to commercially raise b/ws, and so they paid attention to what the b/ws were doing. (A lot of our basic husbandry data comes out of the initial American importers, who got them from farms in South America where they're raised and hunted for the leather trade.)
AND IT IS SO FRUSTRATING
Reds don't have nearly the commercial use, nor nearly the scientific interest, and so overall we know less about them. We have so much good info out there about wild diets and nutrition and behavioral ecology... for the b/ws. For the reds? There is ONE behavioral ecology paper about them. ONE. They also aren't doing the invasive thing the way the b/ws are, so there's less interest in studying them. I know Rachel Pikstein's lab is working up rufescens genetics for a study, but that's not super helpful for care!
There are a lot of people doing interesting things with tegus and talking about it online... but they're almost always doing it with black and whites, or hybrids. Even on Tegu Talk, the big old tegu forum that, like all forums, is mostly dead these days, you'll see that b/ws are the hot topic, not reds.
And while a red tegu will certainly survive and be healthy within b/w parameters- they live in the same regions and even hybridize in the wild- it's obvious that there are some differences. But what those differences are, and how they work with keeping the animal in better conditions... honestly it's a bit of a crapshoot.
Laura Roberts is one of the best people to ask about reds, but unfortunately her website is gone, and I'm not sure how much she's around anymore; she comments in the FB groups, but she's a Floridian, and it's illegal to keep them there anymore, so I don't think she's still breeding. Her tegu fb page hasn't updated since 2021, but you can use the Wayback Machine to access Your Tegu.
I'm trying to think of who else works with reds and puts husbandry stuff out there, but most of them are just... gone now. Rose City Reptiles is a breeder who sometimes does husbandry videos, but they've got outside enclosures/access, so not necessarily the typical pet home.
What I like to do whenever I'm trying to figure out my parameters for cage environment is I go look at the weather in different spots in the native range and see what it's doing.
But that doesn't help you at all with diet. We "know" they're a little more herbivorous in the wild, but that comes from one study from 1998 (Colli et al.) and it only looked at stomach contents, which are really not the best way to do a dietary study- stomach contents only tell you what's in the stomach at time of death, and if you're a scavenger, what you eat changes on a day to day basis. Also, n=5. They had 5 red tegus in their study. That's... not a lot.
Anyways of the modern diet stuff- the fruit consumption papers, the isotopic analyses and stomach content analyses to look at what they're eating when they're invasive, it's all black and whites.
So what do you do in this situation? Me, I find the healthiest-looking animals I can and find out what their keepers are doing. I usually stick to facebook for this because for most of the people who know what they're doing with tegus... they're not on other social media. Except maybe old forums. The fb group Tegu Keepers has a lot of wisdom, as does Tegus From Around The World. I look at what works for individual keepers, and I'm always interested in the value of past experiences. Even if the past practices are not what I'd do, and they often aren't, understanding the thought process is important. I also look up as much as I can- climate data, and what biology articles exist. I gather up all the information that I can, and I never use just one source, and I never listen to just one person.
I'm sorry I couldn't give you more of a concrete answer- maybe that'll change one day, I know a couple of people working on an actual book about tegus like we have books for monitors (not like those pet guides, more like a book about the natural history of Tupinambis and Salvator in general). But for now, we wait. Some papers that might be worth reading:
A New Species of Tupinambis (Squamata: Teiidae) from Central Brazil, with an Analysis of Morphological and Genetic Variation in the Genus. Guarino R. Colli, Ayrton K. Péres, Jr., Hélio J. da Cunha Herpetologica, Vol. 54, No. 4 (Dec., 1998), pp. 477-492 (16 pages)
This one's on JStor, but fair warning it's a mess. It was written before Tupinambis and Salvator were split, and like I said, there's issues with the study methods for making any dietary assumptions about the reds.
Activity and Ranging Behavior of the Red Tegu Lizard Tupinambis rufescens in the Bolivian Chaco. Rossy R. Montaño, Rosa Leny Cuéllar, Lee A. Fitzgerald , Florencio Mendoza, Filemó Soria, Christine V. Fiorello, Sharon L. Deem, and Andrew J. Noss South American Journal of Herpetology, 8(2):81-88.
The single behavioral ecology study. It doesn't talk about specific diet, but it can give you an example of their home range and temperatures. Tag me in the responses if you have a hard time getting it, the easiest way to access it is on Academia.edu.
@kaijutegu is a well of knowledge and I appreciate them so much. Thank you for all of this! I spent the morning reading the behavioral ecology study and even that has helped paint a better picture of their natural lives.
From what I’ve read this morning I’ve gathered that red tegu seems to have a more dramatic brumation cycle than black and whites. This suggests to me that they can survive colder winters in their burrows. I’m wondering if this is why they pack on the pounds so easily—if they need to brumate for a longer period of time, they’d need more fat storage and a more efficient metabolism.
I’m about to completely geek out on what I’ve discovered today. Sorry for the super long post….

I also ran across this https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/318759-Salvator-rufescens/browse_photos
Photos of Red Tegu (Salvator rufescens) · iNaturalist
Red Tegus in the wild! There is so much diversity that I am shocked they haven’t been divided into specific locals yet like black and whites have. The color and even body shape varies and seems to depend on the location. A couple of these look to have some black and white genes from hybridization.
These are some of the only photos of red tegus in a green, lush looking landscape. Both of these look a whole lot like the hybrids I see people create in captivity.
A ‘tribid’ from Rose city reptiles. Notice the more brown and yellow look that happens when black and white mixes with Red. I think this is part of why there is confusion about the two species having different care needs. There is some habitat overlap, and the fact they can hybridize suggests they have the same needs. But the local of the tegu must matter at least some.
There’s a wide range of habitat, but overall it looks dry and hot. Not a lot of vegetation, I don’t see any fruit trees. I don’t see where red tegus would be finding fish as a staple or shrimp.
Most tegu people say to feed Seafood, fruit and meats, invertebrates when young. (I feel like we need a tegu food pyramid or something.)
Looking at these photos, these environments look like they are rich in invertebrates, birds, reptiles, rodents and other small mammals, cacti and grasses, maybe flowers. So it’s safe to say that Red Tegus probably eat mostly these things. Probably with a strong preference and prioritization of protein. They probably eat plenty of eggs and birds, snakes and lizards, other things that are out during the daytime since their most active period is midday according to the study.
Giant hunks of salmon, shrimp, tilapia, and other seafood is probably WAY too high in fat and should probably only be fed to underweight tegus or tegus preparing for brumation. Gravid females can probably benefit from the extra calories I imagine. (I’m sure it’s perfectly fine as a treat but I see some people feeding it very often and suggesting that it’s a staple. For black and whites this might not cause obesity but for Reds it might, if it’s true they have a different metabolism to deal with longer brumation.)
Fruit should not be a staple, it’s high calorie and high sugar and needs to be carefully balanced, only given occasionally in my opinion.
Gut loaded insects, whole prey like chicks and mice should probably be the majority of their diet, along with whatever greens they’ll eat, maybe cactus.
They need hot and dryer habitats with access to cool, humid dens and burrows, access to plant shade and undergrowth.
This is all very opposite to the impression I had before about their needs, which was definitely more humid and damp like the black and whites. I’m glad I’m finding more about this while my tegu is still tiny. I’ll definitely be researching more and more and trying different things for his care. Hopefully in 6-10 months I’ll have a big healthy male tegu that can represent what they should look and act like in captivity.
I’m gonna make another post just to feel out over the different color variations and body shapes. Also look! He’s eating a bird!!!
I would also personally recommend speaking to Renske of Quality Reptiles over in the Netherlands - I will say that she's one of the only tegu keepers I've seen that has multiple animals in their mid to late twenties, and the facility does breed reds, so she might have some useful data points for long-term captive keeping, too.
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FOOLISH AND HORRIBLE LITTLE BEASTS
Having just expressed "You have food in your bowl STOP EATING plastic" at one of our two .... because when given a choice between a little shred of real beef, a bowl of wet food, a bowl of dry food and the plastic and glue on the case of cola, you just KNOW what she wants.
i keep seeing bait tweets like "is it possible for an internet friendship to last more than 3 months" so how long has your longest internet friendship lasted?
less than a year
1-2 years
3-4 years
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6-7 years
8-9 years
10-11 years
12-13 years
14+ years
i dont make internet friends
I met him around 2006, and she moved in with me in ~2015, and she's still living with me today.
Our internet friendship is old enough to vote!
My longest internet friendship is almost thirty years old. That's just counting people I maintain regular contact with; I'm sure there are a number of folks from my UseNet and IRC days who would be delighted to hear from me again if I had their current contact info.
My longest internet friendships date back to 1996 or so. And yeah, I'm another one who met one of those in person back in 2000 and we've been essentially inseperable ever since.
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go to this random coordinates generator and say in the tags how you would fare if you were dropped where it generates without warning. i’ll go first i’d be dropped in the middle of the fucking south atlantic ocean and perish
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... Somewhere a little ways away from Hyderabad, apparently. Hey, maybe I can go see a cobra in the wild!
how did you figure out you need glasses?
caution optometrist visit that turned out to be necessary
put on someone elses glasses and thought "OHHHH"
deduced it independently (everyone else can see the powerpoint etc)
something else? (tags!)
bald/no glasses/results
Suddenly I couldn't read signs across the street anymore.
"Something about his lack of urgency speaks to you on a fundamental level."
Dragonchoice's moon-blue Molluth seven times different
These are so lovely!
color versions
Lovely depictions of the moon-blue and olive-green dragonets from Dragonchoice: Candidate, with accurate markings!
These two are *gorgeous* - and a very fitting depiction of our little pale moon-blue boy's blaze and long-pointy-snouted dottyspotty Olive Green!
As a former humanities student, I feel it is my duty to reblog this one.
ChatGPT is running out of money because they haven't actually figured out how to make money with the plagiarism engine they created.
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If there is a bug in your room do you…
Kill it
Leave it to Chill
Remove it from the Premises (catch it and release it somewhere else)
Secret 4th Option
(Select what you do most often and if you select 4 please tell me what you do with em)
#KILL KILL KILL#you’re in my space now. if we were outdoors it would be different but you’re not welcome here#i feel like it partly depends on the bug though. like ants and spiders i will kill on sight#but like a ladybug? hello friend i will gently set you outside
Sometimes I wish you people would find yourselves stranded on a planet of hostile giants 🙃
Fun fact: Insects and arachnids have lived on land far longer than your ancestors. It’s their house that you have arbitrarily claimed as your own, and you should be getting out.
It’s so incredibly common for people to say they won’t hurt an insect “outdoors minding its own business” or some variation on that but will kill it for “intruding into their territory.” They literally have no idea what a house is folks. They’re actually still minding their own business, incapable of distinguishing a man-made building from a cave or a big hollow log, and they have no precedent in nature to think they’re intruding on anything’s territory because the presence of tiny insects or spiders doesn’t trigger territorialism in any larger mammal; mammals either see insects as food or ignore them. Getting annoyed or alarmed by just any old bug in our “nest” is a quirk entirely unique to humans in heavily developed places.
If it’s a bug that seems to be happy in here (like jumping spider) I leave it, if it’s a bug that mistakenly got in the house (like a moth) I try to let it outside.
House centipedes used to freak me out a lot but then I saw a post of someone who keeps them as pets admiring the elegance of their form and movement etc. and I was like oh well they are very beautiful, and they don’t really bother me anymore…
I think it’s neat how there are harmless creatures that have just…adapted to the niche of living in our homes?
If we had bedbugs or something else that sucks your blood that would be one thing, but the current bugs are all totally harmless.
I have two forms of house arthropods. There are "escapees" and there are "staff."
Most of the staff are spiders - we have a significant number of pholcids who loooove to help us deal with false widows (who we're less happy to have in the house since they can give an unpleasant bite and we have cats who don't know any better) and escaped reptile livefood.
And then there are the escapees - reptile livefood that is not in the reptile enclosure I put it in. That's why we have staff.
For wildies who wind up in the house and shouldn't be here (like the unexpected wasp lady who was in the bathroom last week) I will generally do what I can to encourage them to go outside (in the case of the aforementioned wasp, mostly while going "Ma'am, the window is open. You're two inches away from the window opening. No, to the left a little. Your OTHER left. Lady, please GO OUTSIDE") - but if one of the staff catches them, I'm not gonna stop that from happening.
PSA: i keep seeing posts about staying cool in extreme heat that include advice like "gatorade is bad actually!" and "don't drink fruit juice it'll just dehydrate you!" and neither of these are true!
regarding fruit juice: there's apparently a misconception that Any Sugar At All will dehydrate you, and that's simply not true. yes, sugar will make you pee more when consumed in large amounts, but 1) the natural sugar in fruits won't do this to you 2) great news! a lot of fruit juices exist without any added sugar in them! 3) honestly even having a glass of the fruit juice with added sugar won't completely dehydrate you as long as you're also drinking water throughout the day. if its hot you deserve a cold treat of a drink!!! can't go wrong with fruit juice!!!
regarding gatorade: maybe this isn't an every day drink, but guess what: if it's 110F/40C or hotter outside, and you don't have AC, or you're moving around a lot outside of the AC, and you're sweating buckets: that's when you drink a gatorade.
gatorade exists to replenish all the electrolytes (salt) and glucose (sugar) that you sweat out. YES it is meant for athletes to drink during intensive work outs and not necessarily for people who aren't doing that kind of exercise. BUT GUESS WHAT! when you're sweating buckets because you had to walk to the bus in extreme heat, that's intensive exercise. please feel free to drink a gatorade after that! that's its intended use case!!!!
no: neither of these drinks should be a total replacement for water. but drinking a lot of water and then treating yourself to a fruit juice with lunch is a good idea!!! drinking a gatorade becuase you just had to walk for 20 minutes in the heat is a good idea!!!
Please Stop Spreading Misinformation About Drinks!!! It's fine if you drink things that aren't water!!!! Yes you should probably always be drinking water but drinking something else As Well isn't going to hurt you!!!! okay!!!! its fine!!!!!!
honestly so long as you are consistently getting Any (non-alcoholic) fluids in you, you're doing great!!!!!! okay!!!! i love you stay safe <3
#most drinks are mostly water!#it's fine!#don't try to hydrate with alcohol because alcohol is not mostly water!#otherwise: please drink lots of fluids#water is ideal but whatever gets the hydration in you#literally take a sip babes
Gatorade, to me, tastes like trash unless I need it, in which case it tastes so delicious. might just be me, but like... if the Gatorade tastes like the most delectable thing you've ever had?
Have another one, and also some water.
I actually use the taste of Gatorade and other electrolyte drinks as a barometer of “should I drink this.” Because yes, if I need it, it is palatable - but if I’m not dehydrated, it tastes *bad*.
I feel like if humans swallowed rocks like birds do to help grind up food we'd have so much fun with it.
Can just imagine all the girlies on tiktok going "I know this is a bit controversial but I honestly love using limestone as a gastrolith. Not only can you readily forage it but they are just so pretty when smoothed out after regurgitating them"
and then all the comments would be like " girl 😭 😭 calcite dissolves in stomach acid!! Just use quartz if you want a pretty gastrolith like 💀"
I like this site. Y’all just shotgunning counterfactual timelines
There’s be a whole cultural thing about people with hard water areas eating the Tea Bones from the kettle
.... IF we swallowed rocks like birds? IF?
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