They make fun of Fraser? Yes
Do they also never call Thatcher anything but Sir after that? Also yes.
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They make fun of Fraser? Yes
Do they also never call Thatcher anything but Sir after that? Also yes.
Supremely late entrant for @duesouthladies
bonus Meg Thatcher. "Sir" is what she deserves!
thing for me about meg is that shes incredibly rich in analysis material. her awkwardness and abrasiveness go hand-in-hand, she's at a time where she had to fight very hard to get to where she is and there's a lot to play with from that in terms of the tenuousness she would absolutely feel from it, and that doubled because of fraser being there with his terrible reputation
and then she's canonically experienced sexual harassment (and im not saying assault canonically but easily extrapolated from the text if one wanted to go there because her experiences are directly compared to frasers and he has experienced unwanted touching and a relationship that was emotionally abusive/trampled over all kinds of abilities to consent so…. they literally bond over their shared techniques for dealing with unwanted advances it drives me insane) and her experiences are from the people who have power over her, so she's extremely vulnerable and that vulnerability exacerbates her unsuredness with how much power to relinquish or hold onto with fraser, who wants her to be in charge, who takes his cues from her more than willingly
and shes awkward about her own power situation, she pushes and pulls on it constantly, and her emotions generally in ways that have to do with the above and the way gender-and-this-job are considered at odds and just (imo) because she's an awkward person generally (she gives me never had friends as a kid because they all thought she was weird... much like fraser does)
and fraser is incredibly gentle with her, only ever pushes back if the law demands it (such as not parking in a no-parking zone lol) and affirms over and over in various acts of service that he's safe and that he likes her and it's very rewarded, not necessarily as a romantic relationship because they have different trajectories but as two lonely people who become very connected in a way i argue is different to any other character and i just. I JUST!!!!
there's so much there to pull at and dig into. she's kind of a great character, and i include s3-4 in that even though i think she deserved more screentime (her being worried about his mental health, her letting him stay at the consulate, her gifting him a sword, her saying she'd kill for him, her coming to his rescue in mountie on the bounty and again in the finale, she's very knight-in-shining-armor to him)
they're two weirdos dancing around each other, both so repressed that they couldnt begin to define what in the world they're doing or want, and that in and of itself is kind of the right thing for them because their worst enemy is verbalising their emotional needs, so thank goodness for a person who just sorta... gets them
Due South Ladies Day Five: Stella and Louise, driven mad by the 27th precinct! Well. A little bit cross, anyway.
(NB: I know I missed Day Four but for those of you who missed it last year may I offer my Meg Thatcher/Stella Kowalski magnum opus)
HA, it really is very lovely to imagine that Stella and Louise get to have these sessions, otherwise I'd feel too sorry for everything they have to go through. Big fan of how Elaine and Frannie made their way in there as well, one can imagine (gasp) even more ladies interacting on the daily! i also imagine once Elaine makes detective they'll be so relieved for approx 2 seconds before she gets involved in some heckin shenanigans in her own right.
The curse extends!
I see your Meg Thatcher/Stella Kowalski 👀👀👀
Do we all think Mackenzie King went undercover as a journalist aka their actress switch and blonde Mackenzie is playing it up?
I play with that head canon.
Mackenzie King The First and Ray "Armando Langoustini" Vecchio locking eyes on each other in Vegas like
Due South Ladies day three, women who appear in single episodes: a little Maggie AU.
When Maggie Stern is six, her mother doesn't come home. By the time Maggie realises something is wrong, it's already getting dark, and she knows she's not allowed to leave the cabin by herself after dark. The next morning she walks into town - it's summer, so it's not hard at all - which is what Mum has always told her to do, if she doesn't come home.
Five days later, a solemn-faced old man in a Royal Canadian Mounted Police uniform (as an adult, Maggie would realise Bob Fraser couldn't have been more than forty, but he'd seemed so old then) tells her that he's her father and she's coming with him to Inuvik, to his parents and her older brother. She's met him before, at the cabin, but he wasn't wearing a uniform then, and Mum had just said he was called Bob, and he was a friend. She would have said if he was her father. She would have.
"But my father's dead," she says. "And I don't have a brother."
"Well - now you do," says Sergeant Fraser. It takes her years after to think of him as her father. He's never quite her dad. "And your mother is dead, and I am...here."
Twenty-odd years later she and Ben find her mother's will and the note to Bob Fraser, after she loses yet another parent. All it says is Sorry Bob - she's yours, and if this gets to you, I'm not around anymore to look after her. Do your best.
Maggie supposes it's to Bob Fraser's credit that he takes on the responsibility, on that slender a reed. But for all his failings as a parent, responsibility is the something he's good at.
She gets an hour to pack up her things from the cabin, which there aren't many of, and then she's getting on a plane to Inuvik. She's never been on a plane before. She's never been to Inuvik before. She's never had grandparents before, even more solemn and disapproving than her maybe-father. When he said she had a brother, a small hopeful part of her thought she might find a friend, but Benton is a gangly almost-adult who is more interested in being upset with his father than her. It's not like having a real brother at all.
Maggie, faced with all this, does the only sensible thing and runs away. It's not like she has very much to take with her, and the plane didn't fly for that long, and it's summer, and Mum has already taught her how to snare rabbits. If she walks for long enough, she can get back to town, their own town, where people know her.
She doesn't even get out of Inuvik. Benton catches up with her right away. She realises later he must have seen her leaving.
"Leave me alone!" she tells him. "I'm going home."
"Margaret," he says, awkwardly. "This is your home now. Dad said so."
"He's not my dad!"
"Ah. Well. I don't - he says he is," Benton says, face all screwed up, like he doesn't want to think about it, doesn't want to think about Maggie.
"And you're not my brother!"
"Well. Okay."
"And I want to go home, and I want my mum," Maggie says, and she starts crying, like a little baby, on the side of the road in Inuvik. She sits down and buries her face in her knees so Benton won't see her crying.
"Me too," says Benton, sitting down next to her.
"Well where is she?" Maggie says. "Your mum." She hasn't wondered about it before. Sergeant Fraser just said, your older brother. Nothing about a mum.
"She's dead too."
"My mum fell and broke her neck," Maggie says. "She was clearing her trap lines. Sergeant Fraser said it was - he said she didn't get hurt. She just died." She's not sure how that works. You must have to be hurt really badly to die. It makes her mum sound like one of the animals she traps. She doesn't like it.
"My mum -" Benton stops. "I don't know what happened to my mum."
"Why not?"
"I just - I don't know," Benton says, annoyed at her, but - Maggie doesn't know what else. "Listen, Margaret -"
"My name is Maggie," she says. She'd said it to Benton's grandparents too but Benton's grandmother just said "Names should be respected," and they called her Margaret, and she felt like she wasn't there at all. "Nobody ever called me Margaret at home. I don't know who that is." Margaret Fraser, Benton's grandmother said to people. That's a stranger. She's Maggie Stern.
"Well, what's your name then?" Benton asks.
"Maggie." She wipes her nose on her sleeve. "My name's Maggie."
"Hello Maggie," he says, very properly. "I'm Ben. It's nice to meet you."
He holds out his hand like she's a grown-up. Shaking hands is a thing she's seen grown-ups do a few times, but she's still not really sure how it works. She puts her palm against his and moves it up and down a bit.
"I think you should come back home with me, Maggie," he says. "I know it's not your home. But it's where you are now. It's a long way to anywhere else."
Maggie looks down the long, flat, dusty road, at the gentle green mounds and ponds to either side. Nothing like the woods she knows. He's probably right. It's a long, long way. Maybe she should run away next summer, when she's bigger and she knows where she's going. That seems like a good plan. She just won't tell Ben that.
"Okay," she says, and Ben offers her his hand, and they stand up together.
Oh that's so great, I was just writing about how it would've been if Maggie had been sent to the Frasers (I had, in that moment, utterly forgotten that she's a fair bit younger than Fraser, comparatively, especially when it comes to being a kid)
the thing about names in this is so wonderful -- not Margaret Fraser (or Maggie Mackenzie the adult that we know) but Maggie Stern. it really puts her mother back in the picture (mothers generally)
and Fraser at his awkward more rebellious age, but he's a kind, kind person, and that's at his core. it really would've changed so many things I think...
Due South Ladies day six, alternate universes: saw the line about Irene Zuko, mob boss in this post, thought about Asylum (which I have been studying closely for purposes of the worst soulmates au) and went a bit feral with it. Uh, grimdark AU I kind of guess??? But mostly a 'let the ladies be sexy and evil and in charge' AU.
"There's someone in your apartment," Ray said quietly as the car pulled into the garage of Stella's building. "Light was on."
Stella had already seen the Mercedes in the visitor parking. "It's just Irene. Give me ten minutes."
He scowled, and she patted him on the shoulder. "Charlie's still in her car, see? She went up alone."
"Because Irene Zuko only has one henchman," he said, rolling his eyes, but he sat back in the seat. She left him there, eyes fixed on the Mercedes, gun still in its holster, and went towards the elevators.
"ASA Pearson," Irene Zuko said, when Stella entered her apartment. She was sitting in Stella's big wing-back armchair, the one she liked to curl up in while she read things. It was an annoying little power play, but Irene had done it before, so Stella wasn't thrown by it. "How's the election campaign for State's Attorney going?"
"Nicely, thank you for asking," Stella said. She went about the little rituals of returning home - keys in the bowl, scarf and coat on the coat-rack - as if Chicago's most up-and-coming mob boss wasn't sitting in her best armchair. "To what do I owe the pleasure, Irene?"
"Life moves fast, doesn't it?" Irene said. "I'm minding my own business, and the next thing I know, Andreas Volpe is dead, and my old childhood friend Ray Vecchio is holed up in the Canadian consulate, wanted for his murder."
"Old childhood friend?" Stella said, amused. "Is that what you're calling it?"
"I've heard you say the same thing about Kowalski."
"It's true enough there, too." Stella went to the kitchen, opened the fridge; yes, there was still some pinot gris left. She poured herself a glass. "Wine?"
"Why not," Irene said, which was an excellent sign. She'd never accept hospitality if she meant anything more than a chat. Stella poured another for her, and put it on the coffee table. She sat down on the couch, across from Irene, and leaned back. "So. Anything to say about all of that?"
"I seem to remember," Stella said, sipping her wine, "that you were finding Volpe to be a problem. He's not a problem any more, is he?"
"No, I have a different problem now." Irene hadn't picked up the glass. Hmm. "Which is, as I think I just told you, Ray Vecchio holed up in the consulate."
"I will admit I wasn't anticipating that," Stella said. "But Meg Thatcher will be back from her little spa weekend tomorrow and I'm sure she'll deal with that situation very promptly. She's a very good friend."
"Oh, is that what we're calling it," Irene said, finally picking up her wineglass and taking a sip, and Stella just smiled. "That deals with the situation from your point of view, Stella. It doesn't from mine. Vecchio is no use at all to me in jail."
Stella rolled her eyes. "He's not going to be convicted, don't be ridiculous. There will be a big song and dance about holding the PD accountable, and he may even need to go to trial, but the odds of a conviction -" She waved a hand. "And afterwards I think he'll be so much more amenable to working with you, don't you?"
"Are you trying to imply that setting him up was a favour to me?" Irene raised her eyebrows.
"Well, that would be admitting that anything about this situation was a set-up," Stella said. "Which, of course, I don't. Andreas Volpe was murdered by a mysterious assailant and while Detective Vecchio is the leading suspect at this stage, I suspect in the end it will turn out to be just another gangland killing. But nothing to do with me."
"Naturally," Irene said. She put the glass down again. "Well, this has been a lovely chat. Give my best to your pet officer."
"Give him a wave; he's still in the car."
Irene stood up. Then she paused. "Although - Stella, what about the Mountie?"
"What about the Mountie?" Stella said with some irritation. "Meg will have him to heel, and anyway, the only thing he could possibly have is suspicions. Which he is welcome to voice, because they will sound utterly ridiculous when he does, and I will say as much. If I can call it attempted foreign interference it might even improve my election results."
"Very true," said Irene. "Always a pleasure working with you, Stella."
"And you," said Stella. Irene showed herself out. She moved around to sit in her own armchair, kicked off her shoes and curled up in it the way she liked. She picked up her wine again, took a sip, and waited for Ray to come through the door.
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biiiig fan of how Irene, Stella, and Meg are the big power-players and it really only takes a tweak in a sense doesn't it! Irene in the mob, Stella in the attorney's office, and Meg at the Canadian consulate
Also I am seeing the sapphic under/overtones I'm seeing, I'm recognising! I could read a million stories in this AU
Due South Ladies: Day Two
Can I pick two?
Julie Frobisher and Ester Pearson.
I want to know Julie better as for what it's like growing up as Buck's daughter. The alternate Dad worship take would be fun to know. What she hints of her friendship with the Frasers. Her own life seems to be in flux in Dief's Day off too.
I'm just really curious about her.
For Ester; First being a play on Lester B. Pearson is hilarious. But also that she's so, she's just cool okay. I love her coolness.
And I wanna know what is up with her and Welsh. His wife? His causal date? His work friend? Superintendent Sherri was fine but I definitely love the woman who is down for forensics in opera attire.
Oh, excellent two choices! (and I confess I completely forgot to include them on my list!)
Julie Frobisher is such an interesting character in everything we get hinted about her. It really seems like she felt quite a deep connection with Fraser, and they had quite similar upbringings (although Frobisher seems a little more put together than Bob... but that may be because we never fully see it from her perspective). I wonder now almost about a story about her, Fraser, and Maggie... three very similar people who have some similar things to work out! (what would it have been for Julie and Fraser if they'd had Maggie there as well when they were growing up)
Ester Pearson is very cool in the short time we see her! i had actually been expecting her to be more prominent, baseed on how great her introduction was. i must imagine she's there the whole time, seeing as we don't really get into the morgue until s3
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: due South Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Maggie MacKenzie/Francesca Vecchio Characters: Benton Fraser, Ray Kowalski Additional Tags: Post-Canon, First Kiss, Groping Summary:
“Is this seat empty?”
Frannie is miserable at Ray’s wedding, but Maggie MacKenzie knows just how to cheer her up.
Frannie branching out is exactly what she needs tbh! If there's anyone who truly doesn't need a man (but would enjoy someone a bit rugged and capable)... although I say that, Maggie's previous marriage wasn't great either, both of them definitely need this!!!
very funny to me how quickly Frannie goes from women??? to ... well, women...... 😉
A Meg Thatcher introspection for @duesouthladies
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Margaret Thatcher has been transferred to the Chicago Consulate for at least one very specific reason.
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Quick thoughts as life slammed me.
For femslash Day 4...How about some grand Thatcher and Janet Morse? They've got the kids and the career in common. Janet's rugged and Thatcher's authority are match. I think they'd hit it off that episode.
Or... Anita Cortez and Susanne Chapin team up for the win. I am here for the competence lady-boner.
In that vein, but darkly; Meet between Caroline Morgan and Victoria Metcalf: Prison Pals. Snippet time.
oh i am such a fan of all these pairings.
meg and janet would absolutely find common ground + janet isn't butch (which would also be fun), but she is rugged like you say, and i think meg likes that sort of thing. gentle yet very capable person 4 direct yet socially awkward person
anita cortez and suzanne chapin i think about often ngl. no stories, just. they meet at another undercover gig maybe... or there's some kind of ray vecchio event that brings them both into town for some reason and they hit it off there...
caroline being manipulated by victoria is so real (but also caroline looking out for her next mark as well). it's almost like a fucked up kind of mentorship moment -- caroline learning never to trust anyone/upgrading her level of "ready to fuck anyone over" skills
Going to be doing some reblogging and celebrating of the wonderful pieces that were shared for this today and tomorrow. Thank you so much everyone who has shared their thoughts here, on AO3, and in other spaces.
If you don't see your work on here in the next couple of days, feel very free to shoot me a message and I'll make sure it's on here!
I'll probably keep this as a bit of an archive space/make sure fics, meta, art, etc. are linked more directly, so if there's anything you'd like saved to this space (both past and future work), you're always free to tag!
IT'S THE FINAL DAY OF THE DUE SOUTH LADIES FEST
And it's time to start bringing works together. This is the Free Slot.
Got something you need to get off your chest? A work you've been dabbling with in this last time? A person who has been tragically overlooked?
Let's hear it for women
IT'S THE FINAL DAY OF THE DUE SOUTH LADIES FEST
And it's time to start bringing works together. This is the Free Slot.
Got something you need to get off your chest? A work you've been dabbling with in this last time? A person who has been tragically overlooked?
Let's hear it for women
DAY SIX OF LADIES OF DUE SOUTH AND WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN THE SPINNY WHEEL
AU: a different genre, a different story, a different world, totally up to you. You can extend the idea of what that means
Knights Of The Round Table AU?
Genderbending (more women!)
[Ray Vecchio]
Due South But It's About Maggie Mackenzie?
What-If Irene Zuko Had Survived? (What-If Irene Zuko Was Spearheading Her Father's Empire?)
The moon is your oyster (if you want it to be, it's an AU)
Couple of notes for the due south ladies fest:
It's easier for me to see and reblog yer posts if you tag them with the blog name ✌️
There are currently a few fics up on the AO3 collection, so give them some affection and remember you can submit any works there!
DAY FIVE AND IT'S TIME TO IMAGINE WOMEN (wait for it) SPEAKING WITH ONE ANOTHER!
It's Group Dynamics day!
Multiple characters in the same place. This doesn't have to be women who have interacted onscreen in canon and can include two or more characters.
Think that Stella and Louise St Laurent should've been allowed to complain about the precinct over coffee? (I know at least one of you does!)
A club night with Meg, Frannie, Elaine, and Miss Fraser?
An exploration of the Vecchio ladies?
Meg punching Victoria in the face?
Caroline and/or Ellen's ghosts should've spoken with Maggie?
A mysterious coming-together of everyone Ray Vecchio ever dated? (including but not limited to Sister Anne, Irene, Suzanne, Stella, and Angie)
A discussion group of every woman ever attracted to Benton Fraser? (including but not limited to...)
Suzanne Chapin and Anita Cortez had a lot in common?
A villain's roster of Victoria, Caroline, Greta Garbo, Janice DeLuca, Tammy Markles, and Denny Scarpa?
nothing reminds me more how absolutely culturally relative the concept of 'passing' is more than the times I have seen commentary about how Ms Fraser so obviously doesn't pass in Some Like It Red which makes it awkward.
I watched the episode and was like, oh yeah, that's a totally fine job of cross-dressing, we should let more lead characters cross-dress for fun and enrichment! there were bits that made me cringe, it is a very 90s episode, but Fraser's appearance and mannerisms were simply not among them. I was fully prepared to accept Fraser passing as a woman for the bits of the episode that required it, because that's what I saw.
and that's because - I have observed this IRL more than once - 'passing' for trans women and transfeminine people in my culture does not work the same way as 'passing' in American and Canadian culture. I, a pretty conventionally feminine cis woman, got misgendered in the US because I fell outside of acceptable female norms. my wife, a trans woman, essentially never gets misgendered in our home country but routinely did there. gender presentation isn't static! gender is cultural!
ohhh yeah commentary on "passing/not passing" Ms Fraser is extremely suss in its total ignorance of how passing-culture fits within specific geographic and historical cultural contexts and of course the idea that Random Person would always be able to tell (one sees this happening with people commenting on irl historical figures too)
the truth is, as you've eloquently described above, that Ms Fraser absolutely passes (especially in her given contexts of the 90s in which your average person wasn't necessarily looking for potential "allegedly-non-feminine-in-the-right-way" traits -- again, highly suspect idea in the first place that comes from transphobes and misogynists), but also that in many ways even hyperfixating on that aspect of her presentation says more about the viewer and the time/place in which that person is watching than about what the episode itself is doing
it's one of the reasons why I'm so fond of Ms Fraser actually -- the episode takes her presentation seriously (through Fraser's own excitement and seriousness about it) and her being accepted as a woman is a given the entire way through. those are the most important things to me
like you say, several unfortunate 90s-isms (and general cis-straight-isms) but Ms Fraser herself, honestly one of the best representations of chill genderfluidity I've ever seen, and certainly in genre TV!
but people need to think about what biases they're bringing into the picture when they start talking about "passing"