Is it just me, or have the boundaries between celebrities and fans been rapidly and dangerous eroding during lockdown? Is it that everyone is bored and has too much time on their hands? Or has it always been like this, and I just wasn’t paying attention?
It used to be that over analysing pictures, feeling entitled to someone’s relationship status or personal life, and tracking down someone’s physical location was restricted to the darkest parts of fandom. We would call these people stalkers, we would condemn them and their actions, we would encourage others not to engage with them or look at their content, and we would try to maintain the celeb/fan (i.e. stranger/stranger) boundaries as best we could.
But this invasive behaviour has become so normalised in a few months that it’s now almost expected, not just accepted. The average fan with think nothing of zooming into a picture of someone’s living room and analysing what they can see in the reflections of glass objects. Your run of the mill twitter stan will compare a wall to hotel suites across the country to find the exact room and location a celebrity is staying in. A casual follower of a celeb with now follow all the celeb’s family, friends, and even their friend’s family and friends, and religiously watch their stories for a mere glimpse of their fave. It’s totally normal to log every follow, unfollow and like a celeb does on social media and create a narrative or conspiracy theory to explain each one. Identifying the books on someone’s shelf from the few visible letters and speculating on what trauma may have caused them to need that self-help book is now perfectly fine. It has been completely normalised to message people associated with a celeb to interrogate them for information - and not just friends, but anyone who might have run into them; fans, restaurant staff, photographers, real estate agents, anyone who might have been within 6ft of them.
There is now genuine, fandom-wide anxiety when we don’t know where our faves are in the world, why they are there, who they are with, and what they are doing, because fandom as a whole feels entitled to this information, and will go to any lengths to acquire it.
What used to be widely considered dangerous, scary, and stalking is now the base level of fandom, and it seems to be getting worse. There seems to be an ever decreasingly understanding that these people are total. strangers. to. us. We should not know information that they don’t directly and willingly share with us. We shouldn’t know their relationship status if they haven’t discussed it publicly. We shouldn’t know their location if they haven’t shared it. We shouldn’t know their family and friends names and movements when they are not public figures. We’re not entitled to it, and they don’t owe us it. Buying an album or a move ticket does not make you a shareholder in their lives. Feeling entitled to know these things and demanding explanations of them is overstepping boundaries. Going to extreme lengths to learn these things is unhealthy. If this was being done to you you would feel violated, paranoid, and scared.
This is not fandom. This is not fun. We should be pushing back against it, not tolerating it or encouraging it just because it’s ‘content’ and it makes us feel connected to who we stan. If we continue allowing these tactics to be normalised, it can only get worse from here.
is it weird that I can't even look at their pics right now (seb and chris) because I can't help but feel icky and disappointed? the recent evens reminded me that they are truly two rich and privileged white men who are so dumb just cos they wanna get some. I'm out. Maybe in a year or so I'll check what their projects are. maybe never. I just can't right now. what a shame.
Okay guys, I’ve been debating over whether or not to “open my big mouth” about this (as one anon so sweetly put it once), but I’ve been getting quite a lot of messages like this one and I think I do want to share a few thoughts with you all. I’m going to put them under the cut because this is a long one, and I don’t want to clog up everyone’s dash ❤️
First of all, let me just make it clear that I am fully aware of the severity of this pandemic, especially in some places, including in the US, and that I am in no way trying to make light of any of it or undermine how serious this situation is for a lot of people around the globe right now, many of you included. It’s a terrible situation, and it’s far from over. I’m also not aiming to be an apologist for the bad decisions of privileged white males just because I have a crush on them, because that idea is abhorrent to me, but I’m aware some of you might still feel like I am, and that’s your right.
Having said all that, I am getting a bit worried about all the posts I’ve seen about how people are angry and disillusioned with Sebastian and Chris’s behaviour. I’m not trying to invalidate your disappointment, because it’s totally fair to wish they’d made different decisions, more akin to the decisions you yourself presumably would have made. And if that disappointment goes deep enough then it is absolutely fair if you want to unstan them and stop following or supporting them (that does not extend to sending them hate though, that is not in any way acceptable, no matter how disappointed we are).
But, as anon rightfully points out, the fact of the matter is that they are privileged white male celebrities. This is not news. They (especially Chris) have been successful celebrities for a long, long time, and with celebrity come certain privileges. They can afford massive houses in LA and big apartments in expensive areas in New York City, for instance. They get to go to cool parties, they get free stuff, everyone kisses their ass. They get paid exorbitant amounts of money (Chris much more so than Seb of course) that bear no direct relation to their work and responsibilities anymore, at this point.
And that’s not to say they don’t work hard, they do - but so do most of us, and we’re not getting paid nearly as much as them. It’s inherently unfair, but that’s what celebrity culture (and capitalism) are. Now, I’m not saying everyone has to blindly accept the status quo and just ignore how unfair it all is – far from it. In some ways, I wish more people would denounce celebrity culture, because it is in some senses terribly toxic and unfair. But listen, if you want to stan celebrities because it brings you some joy in this fucked up world, then I think that’s also perfectly understandable. That’s what I’m doing too. And to stan celebs (at least of the calibre of Chris and Seb) we need them to be famous, otherwise we wouldn’t even know them and we would get no content to consume. They are famous because they are in Hollywood movies, and they are in Hollywood movies because they play the Hollywood game - to some extent, at least. Playing the Hollywood game means everything from flying all over the world for movie premieres and leaving a huge carbon footprint, to going to glitzy parties where there a are lots or questionable people present, to “lying” in interviews because of contractual obligations - and sometimes it also means playing along with fake PR rumours or relationships, even if it’s bad PR.
I know people are worried about Chris, and especially Seb, being “bought” by Hollywood and its money and temptations, and losing his integrity and that he won’t be that sweet, soft-spoken, well-read boy who loves his mom anymore. I personally believe that so far, both Seb and Chris have managed to maintain an impressive level of integrity throughout it all, and I’m still hopeful that that isn’t going to change (much).
But it’s not realistic to have the same expectations for them you would have for your loved ones for instance, because they’re not. We have zero relationship to them as people, and they owe us nothing. They give us movies and pictures of their pretty faces, and occasionally good advice or lovely hugs at comic cons, but that’s all we’re gonna get from them. They are not our friends or potential partners. They’re human of course, and in that sense just like you and me, meaning they have feelings and thoughts and a right to privacy and they make mistakes, but their circumstances are wildly different from most of ours. They’re surrounded by the Hollywood circus. They are PART of the Hollywood circus, because they’re actors and if you want to be a successful movie actor you have to play the game to some extent. Sebastian cannot be expected to be home all the time and decline going to parties because he prefers staying in with a good book even if he did prefer that, because that way he’d never be noticed by the people who matter, and who could get him where he wants to be. He said it himself, he’s an ambitious guy. He wants bigger roles, bigger challenges. And he’s not going to get them if he doesn’t do some annoying, dumb shit sometimes, unfortunately.
In my view, that doesn’t make him a bad person who doesn’t care about anyone but himself, but it does make him a privileged human. Being a privileged human also entails some responsibilities, though – if you don’t want to become corrupt, you have to make sure you also use your privilege for good. And in my opinion, both Sebastian and Chris do that. They use their voice and their money to help people less fortunate than them. That’s part of that integrity I was talking about. Some of you may disagree, and that’s fine, but this is how I view it.
As for everyone who is upset with them for traveling to Europe during a pandemic and not wearing a mask in public: I completely understand your frustration, and I am frustrated too. This is literally a deadly virus and it has to be taken very seriously, and unfortunately, they’re not taking it very seriously right now, and that kind of sucks. But the truth is, neither of them are breaking any rules and neither of them is being more callous than the majority of people in the countries they’ve been seen in are. The situation in most of Europe is stabilising (not everywhere, and the UK isn’t doing all that great to be fair), and governments are reopening their countries and facilities. Wearing a mask in the street is not mandatory in either Spain or the UK, except for in specific situations such as public transport or if you’re in certain professions. The rules here are different from those in New York etc. because they have been adapted to how each country is faring.
I live in the Netherlands, and no one here is wearing a mask in the street, not even in the hospital or at the doctor’s, and yet the situation continues to stabilise (I hope to god it stays that way, but that of course remains to be seen). From my friends in Spain and the UK I have heard the situation is much the same. Yes, Sebastian is acting differently from how he did in New York, but he’s in different circumstances too, so that makes sense. Moreover, both Chris and Seb will have been tested before traveling, because they’re privileged celebrities who have access to testing even where lots of normal folks unfortunately don’t.
Now, I’m not saying both guys shouldn’t just have stayed put and not left the country (especially a country where the virus is still rampant), because they should have, and they’re both dumbasses for not doing so. I am definitely disappointed that they’re not being smarter and more considerate about this, but I recognise that my disappointment in part stems from the fact that I put them on a pedestal that I shouldn’t have put them on in the first place. And I know a lot of you are mad at them for flying to Europe “just to get some”, but that is disregarding the fact that both Sebastian’s holiday and Chris’s trip to London seem to be at least partially for PR reasons, most likely pushed and arranged by their agency. The exact extent of how much of it is PR is still a little unclear to me at the moment, but I think it’s fair to assert at this point that they did not just fly to Europe to “get some.”
I know this is ridiculously long, but I have been thinking about all of this a lot these past few days and wanted to get those thoughts out! I hope most of you can understand where I’m coming from here. Love you guys ❤️
I feel like I should make a post detailing the Sebastian Stan drama because I see a whoooole lot of bad takes and misinformation and blatant lies going around. I’ve been on tumblr for nearly a decade at this point and this is genuinely one of the scariest and most out of control situations I have seen.
A quick summary for anyone who hasn’t been following: Last week, Seb was pictured with a women. Many assumed this was his girlfriend but this has not been confirmed. Fans began combing through her life and social media to find something incriminating. I feel like this is important, that the hatred came first, and the reason came after. They found a photo of the girl, from 2 years ago. I will include it for transparency (she is on the left): she is at an ‘Asian night’ party/club night, wearing a kimono.
It’s insensitive to use culture as a costume, and to lump all the diverse and distinct Asian cultures together into one party theme, decorated with pound shop Chinese lanterns. It is cultural appropriation. A number of Asian people were understandably upset by this photo and her actions.
But let me be very clear: These are not his actions. He was not at the party, he did not wear the kimono, he did not post or like the photo, he did not endorse, condone or defend the actions in any way. We have never seen them together before, so presumably this is 2 years before they met. He does not follow her or the friend that posted it 2 years ago on Instagram. There is no reasonable expectation that he ever would have seen this photo. He almost certainly did not know it existed.
He cannot apologise or seek redemption for someone else actions. He cannot set a precedent where he is responsible for everything everyone who comes within 20ft of him did, years before they even met. It is completely insane to expect him to do a full background check on everyone he makes out with, or to expect him and all his acquaintances to be ideologically pure, not be ignorant about anything and never make a mistake.
Some people seemed to realise that he cannot be held responsible for other people’s actions, so they invented something to pin blame on him: he defended her! I searched high and low for his statement defending her. He did not make one. Instead, he allegedly blocked a handful of people who spammed his comments with demands for apologies. At least one of these blocks has been outed as photoshop. If the others are real, we don’t know if it was him or his PR team. We don’t know if their innocent public comment alerting him to an issue was accompanied by vile death threats in his DM’s. Regardless, he is within his rights to protect his mental health by blocking people who harass him about something that is, frankly, none of his business. Blocking is not defending her.
I often hear: cancel culture is not real, it’s simply facing the consequences of your actions. So lets do an experiment where we outline the actions and consequences. If you were involved in the vile hashtags and threats made against him, ask yourself: Are these reasonable, proportional and deserved? Do I have the authority to distribute these consequences? Am I making the world a better place - or a worse one? Is my moral high ground getting a little shaky?
Action:
Kissed a girl who wore a kimono 2 years before they met. Allegedly (!!) blocked a few people who harassed him about it despite it being nothing to do with him.
Consequences:
Doxxed, pictures of his apartment and his address leaked online. He will almost certainly have to move from his HOME.
Intense death threats and suicide baiting, including #RIPSebastianStan trending, which his family may have seen and actually thought he had died, photoshopped articles and memorial pictures that say he died
Actual danger to his physical safety through the release of his home address
Emails sent to his newly signed agency and employers to get him FIRED
Severe damage to his reputation including news articles with his name and ‘racist post’ in the title, that do not make it clear it was not his post!!
Most likely a severe hit to his mental health, which he has said before he struggles with, particularly from all the KILL YOUR SELF CLOWN messages
If he was with the girl - well, I doubt he is now, so the possible destruction of his relationship, instead of her getting a chance to learn, educate herself, grow and be better.
I am genuinely concerned for his mental health - situations like this before have resulted in suicide (Caroline Flack springs to mind). His physical safety is also in danger. For the actions of someone else, years before they met. Please, stop this. Please see that you are making the world so, so much worse, and you could actually kill someone through this. Please exit the twitter echo chamber and think maturely and critically about whether your response is proportional, reasonable and necessary. Please see that he is a stranger to you, who is paid to do a job, and we have no more right to demand things from him or make him face consequences than we do our dentists or the cashier at the local shop. Please log off and go outside for a while.
Since making this post, I’ve learned that the people he blocked were blocked automatically by Instagram because they spammed his and her comments and hit a spam limit that auto blocks you. That makes this whole thing so much worse imo - the one action they could actually tie to him, he literally didn’t even do! He’s well within his rights to block anyone for any reasons so I wouldn’t have cared if he had done it. But the fact that he literally didn’t, and those girls started all this by claiming he did… I hope they log off and think hard about their actions.
I feel like I should make a post detailing the Sebastian Stan drama because I see a whoooole lot of bad takes and misinformation and blatant lies going around. I’ve been on tumblr for nearly a decade at this point and this is genuinely one of the scariest and most out of control situations I have seen.
A quick summary for anyone who hasn’t been following: Last week, Seb was pictured with a women. Many assumed this was his girlfriend but this has not been confirmed. Fans began combing through her life and social media to find something incriminating. I feel like this is important, that the hatred came first, and the reason came after. They found a photo of the girl, from 2 years ago. I will include it for transparency (she is on the left): she is at an ‘Asian night’ party/club night, wearing a kimono.
It’s insensitive to use culture as a costume, and to lump all the diverse and distinct Asian cultures together into one party theme, decorated with pound shop Chinese lanterns. It is cultural appropriation. A number of Asian people were understandably upset by this photo and her actions.
But let me be very clear: These are not his actions. He was not at the party, he did not wear the kimono, he did not post or like the photo, he did not endorse, condone or defend the actions in any way. We have never seen them together before, so presumably this is 2 years before they met. He does not follow her or the friend that posted it 2 years ago on Instagram. There is no reasonable expectation that he ever would have seen this photo. He almost certainly did not know it existed.
He cannot apologise or seek redemption for someone else actions. He cannot set a precedent where he is responsible for everything everyone who comes within 20ft of him did, years before they even met. It is completely insane to expect him to do a full background check on everyone he makes out with, or to expect him and all his acquaintances to be ideologically pure, not be ignorant about anything and never make a mistake.
Some people seemed to realise that he cannot be held responsible for other people’s actions, so they invented something to pin blame on him: he defended her! I searched high and low for his statement defending her. He did not make one. Instead, he allegedly blocked a handful of people who spammed his comments with demands for apologies. At least one of these blocks has been outed as photoshop. If the others are real, we don’t know if it was him or his PR team. We don’t know if their innocent public comment alerting him to an issue was accompanied by vile death threats in his DM’s. Regardless, he is within his rights to protect his mental health by blocking people who harass him about something that is, frankly, none of his business. Blocking is not defending her.
I often hear: cancel culture is not real, it’s simply facing the consequences of your actions. So lets do an experiment where we outline the actions and consequences. If you were involved in the vile hashtags and threats made against him, ask yourself: Are these reasonable, proportional and deserved? Do I have the authority to distribute these consequences? Am I making the world a better place - or a worse one? Is my moral high ground getting a little shaky?
Action:
Kissed a girl who wore a kimono 2 years before they met. Allegedly (!!) blocked a few people who harassed him about it despite it being nothing to do with him.
Consequences:
Doxxed, pictures of his apartment and his address leaked online. He will almost certainly have to move from his HOME.
Intense death threats and suicide baiting, including #RIPSebastianStan trending, which his family may have seen and actually thought he had died, photoshopped articles and memorial pictures that say he died
Actual danger to his physical safety through the release of his home address
Emails sent to his newly signed agency and employers to get him FIRED
Severe damage to his reputation including news articles with his name and ‘racist post’ in the title, that do not make it clear it was not his post!!
Most likely a severe hit to his mental health, which he has said before he struggles with, particularly from all the KILL YOUR SELF CLOWN messages
If he was with the girl - well, I doubt he is now, so the possible destruction of his relationship, instead of her getting a chance to learn, educate herself, grow and be better.
I am genuinely concerned for his mental health - situations like this before have resulted in suicide (Caroline Flack springs to mind). His physical safety is also in danger. For the actions of someone else, years before they met. Please, stop this. Please see that you are making the world so, so much worse, and you could actually kill someone through this. Please exit the twitter echo chamber and think maturely and critically about whether your response is proportional, reasonable and necessary. Please see that he is a stranger to you, who is paid to do a job, and we have no more right to demand things from him or make him face consequences than we do our dentists or the cashier at the local shop. Please log off and go outside for a while.
Holy shit mods. You gave up your source and they were legit !!!
Lol they hacked now matter what which is wrong, but also they were right Ellie’s a racist. The whole thing is so disgusting to me. Most likely I’m going to stop stanning Sebastian. Too many racists in his life and he’s made racist comments as well. This is the final straw for me. I’m gonna move on to actors more worthy of my time.
I feel As Will wife is just as bad as Ellie trying bait fans. Now all of a sudden her account is open right before seb comes come like last time in October. I don’t get a good vibe from Alissa either.
Here’s my opinion on these girls given the fact that I know nothing about them. I think they are two girls from Australia who moved to the big city and got lucky with the friends they made. They want to brag but not seem like they are bragging because obviously if you brag, you’re “not one of us”. I think a small part of every single one of us can relate. Imagine this, you leave your small town home and all of the sudden you’re hanging our with all these celebrities and getting all this attention. A part of you wants your privacy, another part of you wants everyone to know how far you have come, especially the people from home and the fangirls that will give you attention. Once the negative attention comes, they will quickly change their minds. That was me once. I was young, from a small town, hanging out with these bands and I would take pictures and tweet and Myspace and tumblr and then the wave of hate came and I chose to disappear.
Okay everyone, since we have discussed tarot and astrology I wanted to share this. So basically I have a friend on here who went to a medium and asked in two different sessions about Sebastian. My friend didn’t refer to Sebastian by name and framed as “a guy she was interested in” and asked some questions about him. Now take this with a grain of salt, I know mediums/psychics aren’t enjoyed by all but I thought this was some good fun and we would enjoy reading it. *Again don’t take this too seriously.*
First Reading
A lot more physically connected to the fandom than we think. Potentially reads fanblogs
He did not set up the pap walk with Ellie, but he is also one to let people take the fall for things as long as his hands don’t get dirty.
He is very “oh I can do that to you, but how dare you do it to me” He has no problem looking clean if others look bad
He is in a relationship with Ellie, but they are not happy and it won’t last
Specifically she said “and the girl he’s seeing won’t last but is connected to a friend who uses him for his own gain and i said “uses Sebastian, or Sebastian uses someone” and she said no Sebastian gets used" (we think this means Will’s, but it could be applied to others in Ellie’s group.)
Second Reading
Margo dumped him because he wouldn’t be monogamous and he typically has his eye on two people at once.
Not necessarily physically cheating, but he transitions between relationships quickly, other than Margo to Ellie.
Potentially he’s already got his eyes on someone else
No one has truly derailed him besides Margo
Ellie is a place keeper, his career is number one.
He’s lonely
His mom isn’t sick exactly but her health is starting to go downhill slowly because of her age.
He will have kids but will wind up doing it on his own.
On his career, He’s falling into the Hollywood trap, we only see one side of him, but he’s getting derailed a bit and is really afraid of losing his fame.
He’s falling off his path but it’s up to him to get it back.
His friends are surrounding him for the wrong reasons
I would love to know what your opinion on Seb still liking Margos pics, every single one! I find it weird that it's every single one- although he does like most of his friends photos (since he followed Margot Robbie- he's liked most of her photos) so it could be he's just a great liker of photos! But it must feel awkward if she's moved on with Ezra miller
And the only way he managed to come up with to get close to her/get her back, is to like her every Instagram post?
If only he had some personal connection to her, if only he knew her friends, if only he had her phone number, if only he knew her address, if only he met her entire family, if only they lived in the same city...
At this point it doesn’t matter if she goes private, most people are already following her. -> that's the whole point why not go private from the get-go before things got this wild? She obviously likes the attention, so she should deal with it.Why is it his problem? Even if he does follow her now it will seem like him being forced to do sth he didn't want to. If he wanted us to know they were together he would have by now. Doing it solely because she started the shitshorm is not a way to go.
Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda… that doesn’t change the situation they are in now. If they want it to die down Sebastian should follow her and like her stuff. It’s the only way I can see for the fandom to stop attacking her.
Well, if it’s the only way you see it, then that’s clearly the answer.
What situation are they in exactly? How do you know? Maybe it’s not even a problem for them? Maybe she doesn’t want to? Maybe he thinks it would be worse? Maybe they are not an item anymore? Or not in any capacity you think they are?
But it basically doesn’t even matter. Ellie is just a means for you to harp on Stan, an actor who pissed you off when reality hit you that he’s never going to fulfill your imaginary expectations of him.
Or, just going by Occam's razor, they got it from you (Sebstangossip) since one of the first knee-jerk reactions you had to the pap photos was to talk about a non-existent bump.
I haven’t been in this fandom that long and I know if he followed her she would get less hate and people would chill out. There are some people that are commenting on the same pic every other day. The only thing they’re looking for is for Seb to notice them or Ellie to notice them. I’m also sure Seb is aware that things would calm down if he followed her and acted like he was in a normal relationship but he’s not.
Fuck his St. Laurent leather jack is worth $6,000 and his other St Laurent jackets are anywhere from $2,500 to $4,000 Jesus. He said he has a thing for St Laurent jackets but damn that one jacket can pay a few months of my rent.
Lol… rich people be crazy. They spend 6k on an ugly ass jacket? Can’t relate.
I'd like to see myself as a big SS fan, I follow his insta and keep up with his public appearances, but going into the fandom you quickly find out that so many folks are far more obsessed, even stalkerish, towards him. they stalk pretty much anyone even remotely connected to him and its scary. what's even more confusing is that don't even get the impression that his more obsessed fanbase even likes him, a lot just seem to be hate-fans that keep tabs on him it's so strange
Yeah, I went down the rabid fandom rabit hole with Cumberbatch and have since sort of developed a morbid curiosity about this. So I know how you feel once you first discover what’s beneath the surface.
The hate-fans (love the term, BTW) are honestly one of the biggest reasons why I’m back on Tumblr. I just can’t fully wrap my head around them. I had a working theory their patronizing attitude had mostly to do with S’s seeming malleability and mild/boyish nature that make him a fertile ground for fans who love putting themselves above being a simple fangirl.
But then I seen the lengths these blogs go and can’t help but think there’s more to it.
So, straight to the point. I’m an ancient Cumberbatch blog that had had enough of the so-called truthers during the heyday of his engagement to Sophie/shitstorm that followed and decided to created a space to express my thoughts on them.
Since Sebastian Stan is also an actor I like and I see a lot of opinion blogs popping up that rub me the wrong way, I’m reactivating my blog if anyone has the need to air their thoughts.
Note: Except for this post (or rare important exceptions which I’m not expecting), I will not be tagging Sebastian since I believe this kind of content is unnecessary in a celeb’s tag.
Can anyone please tell me of a female celebrity who has male fans that overly invested in her relationships and private life? I would love to find one, but I strongly believe this is something only female fans do.
So, straight to the point. I’m an ancient Cumberbatch blog that had had enough of the so-called truthers during the heyday of his engagement to Sophie/shitstorm that followed and decided to created a space to express my thoughts on them.
Since Sebastian Stan is also an actor I like and I see a lot of opinion blogs popping up that rub me the wrong way, I’m reactivating my blog if anyone has the need to air their thoughts.
Note: Except for this post (or rare important exceptions which I’m not expecting), I will not be tagging Sebastian since I believe this kind of content is unnecessary in a celeb’s tag.
Hiyah! Hope everything is good with you :) Truth be told, I never really left. Just... Lost the will to even hit reblog since I see not much has changed, at least within the hardcore group.
Anyway, regarding SS, well... It’s a mixed bag. There are no skeptics per se, since he doesn’t even have an official partner right now. In fact, the skepticism era (if there ever was one) is pretty much gone now since it’s apparent he and his previous partner broke up. Even though they still regularly shit on her while rebloging inspiring “Me too” posts.
The shtick within this group is claiming to be an SS fan and than proceed to think, write and preach the absolute worst about him, reveal his personal info, dig around for every sign he’s seeing some (probably emerging skeptics, LOL), claiming to have sources that he’s getting sloshed at functions/loosing jobs because he’s a wreck of a person, vivisecting every single thing he does and says until the very worst conclusion about him is reached...
The last eruption of frenzy was triggered by the fact that he might be seeing someone (naturally through sneaky pics and asking invasive questions) so depends on how that goes, it might get worse.
I’m just basically annoyed by people who claim to have superior logic and fact checking skills (they are not deluded fans like us who think he’s cute in his last IG post and like reading Marvel fanficiton, they know the Truth) and then go on to prove a point by saying you don’t need a car to get around in Brooklyn. What else is new, right?
P.S. Thanks for the welcome :)
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