this is just excusing to work with right wing, very much what TERFs do to achieve the ban of trans people, just like Janice Raymond did in 1981 because they have something in common, yeah we can work together on something we disagree sure, but for pizza toppings not on racism, not on transphobia, not on homophobia, not on antisemitism, like you guys always evade that topic when the controversial figures of anti trans terfs are mentioned
"conversion therapy and affirmation therapy are both bizarre distortions of what therapy is supposed to accomplish"
No it's not, trying to convert a trans person to not being trans didn't work, and the best method is the so called affirmation therapy, there's studies who back up that, while the other there's isn't a single one
"disagree when this refers to minors and I don't agree that the public should pay for it. I'm open to private health care plans and individuals doing whatever they want."
So when it comes to healthcare then it shouldn't be universal? is this what you're saying
Minors should make the choice themselves, not the state, if they are disphoric let them transition, if they regret, well that's unfortunate, rarely happens, but if happens, it's the same path a late transitioned trans person goes thorugh and you don't see them wanting to ban HRT because it didn't work well
"what does that even mean? How is 'recognition' a human right? Give me other examples of how 'recognition' is needed for other groups?"
Being recognized as your gender in your own identity and have the access to name change both recognized
"again, what does that even mean?" A trans woman in women spaces, trans men in men spaces, that's the thing
"What happens if I refuse?"
Nothing you're just acting like an asshole, you can insist on being disrespectful, that doesn't mean you will get along with people if you can't manage to do basic education lol
"I know people who've been fired or disciplined at their work for this, even for doing it in private conversations. I know people who've been investigated by the police for 'hate speech' for this"
And everyone clapped
Even if this happen, like, do you really believe these people really get arrested lol? They are in fact more rewarded
Do you know how much needed to them to have a hate speech charge? Do you see what this supposed persons said and did to get one
I don't think it's by calling a trans woman by he
See Maya Forstater, she harrassed everyone and her boss don't want her around, she make a whole ass campaign and now have more money in her pockets than what she had before
Honestly go do hate speech, it's more profitable than being a decent human being
"For example if I'm a researcher collecting data about crimes, every crime committed by a man who identifies as a woman is counted a a female crime, and protesting this could cost me my career'
In which world you live? I want to live there
Because in real world they pretty much get away lol
"A teacher who refuses to use someone's gender-based pronouns can be disciplined"
LOL at this point you make shit up
do you know how much it takes for a trans student to at least be recognized?
Sure happens
Where is this perfect world?
Because where i live (reality) teacher are also very transphobic and tends to do as much to kick out trans students out of the school or even report the trans student to the transphobic parents
LOL you're so funny
"Do you support this? What do YOU think should happen to someone who doesn't use the pronouns you want?"
Yeah I support basic human decency?
Nothing, but the insistence on disrespect someones pronouns should be classified as harrassment, deadnaming should be a even higher felony, that wouldn't be enough to arrest, but an already advice
"I'm comparing you to extremists because I don't see any recognition that other people also have rights that might mean you don't get what you want. Am I wrong? Is there anything you don't support about trans activists so far, anything you think is overreach? You said "What they give is almost nothing, but honestly it was at least something" - so... what else would you like to see?"
If I say it's extremism so I don't care
Access to legal name and gender change at all ages without parents authorization and based on self ID
Access to HRT since puberty begin (if a cis person can have the puberty they want so trans people should)
Not being fired by the job for being trans
Not being kicked out from home and if happen the parents should be prossecuted
Protections agains bullying on school
Anti trans propaganda classified as hate speech
Legal access to the spaces they belong, without any legal changes
Transphobia classified as hate speech
Trans healthcare being with trans people on charge and a true professional teaching on how to do it (because actual doctors don't)
Ban any communal changing room/shower
Disclosing you're trans to someone isn't rape by deception
Gatekeeping on trans healthcare should be banned for a formed consent model
And I think the list would go long you would still disagree and consider myself an extremist but I don't care, I am one, I'm not trying to hide this, I'm all in to trans liberation, we shouldn't bend our heads to conservatives or TERFs, we should protest and make the change