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What if Joyce had gone over to Hopperâs that evening? Scene takes place in episode 3.01*
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Joyceâs stomach ached from something else besides hunger. Seeing Bobâs cartoon drawing on the fridge every night probably wasnât helping. Sheâd pretend he was with her often on evenings like these, when the boys werenât home. Ugh. She wished they were home now. Itâd help distract her.
She twiddled her thumbs, changing the channel, finally sipping from her glass of Chianti, absentmindedly watching Cheers on the television.
Maybe you could do it for meâ yeah you could. You could come over after workâŠ
She shouldnât go over there. Not yet. Not now. Not while she was grieving, guilt racking through her each and every night, lonelyâŠ
Wanna have dinner tonight? You could give me some more pointers.
I guess he really wouldnât leave her mind.
Fiiiiine, her brain huffed at her, as she turned off the television and took a final swig from the glass, moving to put her uneaten lasagna back in the fridge.
This was a bad idea. But damn did she need a distraction. How much she didnât want to be sitting here. By herself. Alone. Again. All her fault.Â
Was it?
Yes. Her brain always reminded her.
So going to see Hopper and help him with his daughterâs antics.. A good idea. Theyâre just friends anyway. Hanging out. It doesnât mean anything. Nope.
But the way he had looked at her at Melvaldâs-
Joyce was suspicious. She couldnât get the warm feeling out of her belly since their hands had met on the prescription counter. Sheâd felt it earlier too. Before Bob. But sheâd pushed past it.
Lately Hopper had been coming in to see her at the store more often. At first it was to check on Will, then to check on her, then after Bob. She felt guilty about it sometimes but loved seeing him and didnât have it in her to ask him to stop. The shop wasnât busy. And without the upside down around, itâs not like he had his own work to get to.
Worried sheâd talk herself out of it, she grabbed her keys, walking straight to her car. The drive over to the cabin felt both like seconds and hours. Her brain was struggling. Itâs not like she wasnât ready to date. But itâs also possible Hopper didnât mean to touch her hand like that? Didnât mean to make that look?Â
Whatever. This certainly wasnât a date. She reassured herself.
He just needs help with raising teenagers. And really, who doesnât? She was just going over to help. Strategize a game plan.
She parked behind his police car and hopped out, heading straight for the door. It wasnât super dark out yet, just after dusk. She knocked softly, suddenly regretting not calling first.
Hopper opened the door, surprised to see her.
âHey.â He beamed.
âHey.â She blushed. âI ah- I donât know if Iâm still invited over but Iâm here to help.â Trying to maintain an ounce of confidence, she strode past him through the door instantly.
âSo,â she sighed, putting her hands together and repeating. âIâm here to help! Where are they?â
Hopper laughed, shutting the door and turning to face her.Â
âWhere are who?â
Was he joking?
âYou know, the kids. Who keep kissing? Iâm here to offer my version of a heart to heart. Whatever I can do to help.â With that, she saluted him.
He smiled, sitting down on the chair, starring up at her now crossed arms. Sheâs very serious tonight.
âJoyce, theyâre not here.â
Her face slanted, awkwardly. âWhat? Where are they?â
He shrugged, âThe mall? Not sure but Will might be there too?â
âOh right, right.â She was pacing now, feeling both embarrassed and unsure. âWell.. sorry I barged in.â
I gotta get out of here.
âWoah, woah! Hey!â He chuckled, standing up as she headed towards the door. âI wanted your help. I wanted to see you.â
âOh.â
A beat.
âWell, ugh, what can I help with? Do you wanna practice your speech again?â Her cheeks flushing.
He shook his head, confident sheâd stay now, walking away from her and towards the kitchen. âWhat can I get ya?â
She saw him pull out whiskey and nodded. âSure, that.â She wasnât knowledgeable on the forms of liquor. Maybe itâd help her relax.
He laughed, poured a glass for them both.
âOof,â Joyce sighed, laughing a little as she sat on his couch, kicking her feet into the air, unsure. âI donât know what Iâm doing here.â
Hopper laughed, âYouâre here to help me!â
She smiled warmly, taking the cup from him as he returned to his lazyboy beside her. âYeah but you clearly donât need it, theyâre not even here.â
âFor now!â Hop huffed, laughing again. Smiling. He was always smiling at her.
Joyce felt a deep blush invade her space again but she wasnât unhappy to be here now.
Joyce adjusted herself, sensing him leaning further into her.
She stretched away from him, trying to think. âWell.. do you want to read your speech again? Or we could rehearse possible rebuttal arguments from the teens?â
He just stared back at her, taking her in. She could feel his gaze intimately, like he was asking for something. She didnât want to acknowledge wha-
âWhat?â She laughed, nervous.
He was still smiling.Â
A beat. Finally.
âWhy wonât you have dinner with me?â
She rolled her eyes, setting her glass on the coffee table and moving further down the couch. He shifted off his chair and onto the couch to sit next to her.
âNo, really.â His face turned more serious.
âIâve had dinner with you.â She snorted. Rolling her eyes gently.
âNo,â he was laughing again, âNot like dinner with Will and El and Jon and me. Just me. You and me.â
She knew where this was going and it both dropped a pit into her stomach while igniting something else inside of her.
She stood abruptly, needing space. âWhat are you talking about? We can have dinner.â
He shook his head. âNo,â he said calmly, âa date.â
She frowned, perplexed. âYou didnât say it was a date?â
âYeah, well. Thatâs the whole truth.â He shrugged. Still smiling. Damnit.
She huffed back at him, annoying herself as she started to pace by habit. She couldnât help the nerves.
âWell⊠Jesus, Hopper. What would El say?â She mumbled, teasing him. Trying desperately to keep the mood light. Sheâd heard Will say it a million times: Friends donât lie.
âI donât want to be just your friend-â Hop started, standing up, moving towards her.
âWoah, woah!â Joyce exclaimed. âStay over there, buddy!âÂ
Hopper laughed. âBuddy?â
She nodded, still moving, finding herself in his small kitchen.Â
âWhy, Joyce?â He smiled. âWhatâs gonna happen? What are you so worried about?â
She shook her head, speechless. Wordless. Her throat was dry.Â
âHmm.â Hop smiled again, coming into the kitchen too. âI need to know, Joyce.âÂ
Her face was hot. Her body flush against the cabinets now on the other side of the kitchenette as he approached her.
âWhat?â She said, barely audible.Â
He set his arms on either side of her, careful not to touch her but so close. He gently moved his mouth towards her right ear, âDo you want to have dinner with me?â
That did it.
Joyce couldnât resist. His cologne and chest and faint whisper were too much to deny and she knew, as much as sheâd been avoiding this thing between them, it had indeed only been a matter of time.
She grabbed his shirt, tugging it close to her and kissed him. It was slow for only a few moments before turning feverish as she ran her fingers through his hair.
She felt Hopper grip her thighs, lifting her up and angling her towards the cabinets, desperate to be close to her. He stepped between her legs after placing her on his counter, a better angle for his height. He started to slip his fingers under her shirt, desperate to touch her. Joyce moaned.
Suddenly the front door opened. A giggly Max and El barged in chatting incessantly before gasping.
Hopper and Joyce broke apart instantly. Joyce fell, gracefully landing to her feet.
âKnock!â Hop yelled, annoyed and tense, adjusting himself accordingly and moving AWAY from Joyce.
âSorry!â Max exclaimed, looking between Joyce and Hopper. She was smirking.
A beat.
âWeâre ah - going that way,â Max finished, pointing towards Elâs room.
El, still by the front door, a stupid smile on her face looking at Joyce.
âHi!â She grinned.
âHi.â Joyce returned the sentiment, a bit embarrassed.
âHey, hey, hey.. whatâs going on here?â Hopper murmured, pointing between her and Max, whoâd already entered Elâs room.
âOh!â El said, still smiling, frozen in the same spot. âSleepover. Can we have one?â
Max interjected from the next room, âBut if you need us to go out for a bit, all good, we can come back in like 10-â
âNo!â Both adults exclaimed, red faced.
âNo?â El frowned, confused.
âI mean..â Hop started, rubbing his hand over his face trying to cool down. âYes, you can have a sleepover. No, you donât need to go anywhere. Just go to your room and keep the noise down, got it?âÂ
âCool,â El nodded, moving towards Max. âDoor open or..â
âClosed!â Hop groaned. Then lowered his tone. âPlease.â
âNight!â Max hollered. El shut the door behind them leaving a jostled Joyce and Hopper in his living room.
âJoyce!â Jim sighed, seeing her make a mad dash out towards the front door. He followed her to her car.
âNo, no, no, noâŠâ she murmured to herself, stopping, now turning to him. âThis was a bad idea, Hop. I shouldnât have come over here.â
âJoyce!â He exclaimed, trying to keep up with her, a gentle hand landing on her arm. He finally noticed tears on her cheeks and cupped her face to turn it towards his.
âI need you!â She cried, face dropping towards the ground.
âYou have no idea-â he started, realizing his adrenaline was misplaced. âJoyce?â
She shook her head. âNo- I need you. In my life. I canât- we canât-âÂ
âYes, we can.â Hopper insisted. âCome on, it was only a matter of time-â
âMatter of time?â She sighed, âNo, Hop. Itâs gonna ruin things like it did the last time.â
He gently tilted her chin towards his face and breathed deeply, trying to calm her nerves. âNo, itâs not like last time. We were kids. Thereâs no Vietnam, no Lonnie.. no parents. Thereâs just you and me. Itâs always been you and me.âÂ
He smiled down at her, still sensing trepidation.
âPlease.â Hopper breathed. âI want you. Thereâs no one else like you. I think in a messed up way, the universe brought us back together somehow. Youâre all I think about. You and El and Will and Jonathon- please tell me Iâm not alone in that.â
Joyce sobbed, unaware sheâd ever been holding so much in before. They embraced for a long moment. Hopper rubbing circles on her back to calm her.
âIâm dangerous.â Joyce finally shared, still beneath his shoulder. âI screw up relationships. Or get people killed.â She whispered that last part.Â
âHey,â Hopper murmured, moving her chin up toward his. âThis isnât your fault. Weâre in this together.â Their foreheads merged, breathing together, realizing, perhaps for the first time in a long time, they didnât have to do all of this alone anymore.
She hugged him for a long moment until-
âHungry?â he whispered, suddenly nervous.
She nodded against him as they moved to get into her car. âItâs a date.â
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Notes
I rewatched season 3 recently and finally noticed Hopper tried to asked Joyce out even multiple times the first episode. Then to see Joyce sad and eating alone on her couch that evening (some plans!) I just couldnât help but write this. They live in my head rent-free.
*PS itâs my timeline- for purposes of this story Max and Elâs sleepover happened earlier.
Iâve seen those confused about hopper wondering if Joyce is alive in s4 and thinking the worst.. dude I think thatâs during season 4 episode 5 after heâs captured and unsure of the future.. when Enzoâs been imprisoned⊠it has nothing to do with Russia season 3 and the machine⊠just Hopper worried about Yuri turning them over.. Im not sure whatâs so hard to understand about that.. other podcasts were confused. Hopper literally brings it up on ep5 about ppl he has hurt⊠can anyone clear this up? Thnx. I donât think heâs referring to machine in s3 considering he thinks Enzo has spoken with Joyce.
Theyâre a couples glasses of wine in when the subject changes.Â
âJoyce, can I ask you sort of an uncomfortable question - given everything I mean?â
She smiles but a small feeling of fear slips through her grin. Nodding, âYeah, of course.â
Hopper pauses for a moment.
âOkay,â He hesitates, âyou knew. You had to know that I was pretty crazy about you last year. And even if you werenât into me like that,â he rolls his eyes dramatically, âand who could blame you, I was a total ass-â
Joyce frowns as he collects himself and pauses, trying to stop a ramble.
âAnyway, if I misread the signs, if I overstepped- I get it.â He stops to look back into her eyes. âBut how could you consider putting your house up for sale and not tell me? Moving hundreds of miles away from us⊠from me, from El? Your home..â Heâs frowning now and can tell Joyce is deep in thought.
Sheâs quiet for a while. When a deep sigh escapes her and her eyes water, Hopper grabs her hand, reassuringly.
âI donât mean to put you on the spot. Iâm so grateful for everything youâve done for me, for El, for⊠for all of it. And to be alive and have you in my life, now, well in any capacity, let alone as my⊠girlfriend.â A small smile escapes him. She raises her head, looking back at him shyly, quickly brushes a tear off her cheek and smiles back.
âI just- I canât blame you for wanting to leave Hawkins. I know weâre back now and once we beat this Vecna-helsing-deathstar guy we can go anywhere you want. So many bad things have happened here - to your family and I know that. Even if before doomsday in Russia you hadnât been interested in me - I get it. But I thought -â
A beat.
âYouâre my best friend. And leaving⊠leaving is one thing. But not telling me about it.. it just,â he shakes his head. âIt still hits me every once in awhile, thinking youâd leave and not tell me.â
She understands. Almost whispers back, as tears pool into her eyes, âIt wasnât that I wasnât into you. Back then. That I, umm - that I didnât want the same things you did.â
Heâs shocked but nods back.
âEven before- before Bob passed away, I think I knew I thought of you as⊠something more.â
Sheâs very teary eyed now.Â
âI probably knew a long time ago. I didnât want to admit it - after everything we went through with Will together, almost losing you down there in the upside down⊠Seeing you bring my boy back to life,â she trails off.Â
âYou wereâ are my superhero.â She corrects. âAnd it brought feelings back - from when we were young..â
She feels herself get a little embarrassed.
âBut-â she hesitates.
He grabs her hand again, looking down at her.
âWe tried that before. Before Vietnam. And Lonnie..â
Another tear escapes her eyes.
âBack then our friendship was ruined.â
He exhales deeply, nodding.
âI couldnât lose you. Not⊠not again.â
A beat.
âI couldnât risk our friendship. I chalked up my feelings to old nostalgia and thatâs when I started seeing Bob. He was wonderful in his own way. Different than you, than us. I didnât fear ruining a friendship weâd never had, frankly. And I didnât think youâd care or notice.â
She breaks into a sad smile. âHow wrong I was-â
âBack then? All this time?â Hopper jumps in, sure heâs misheard her.
She shrugs, âI think so, maybe? I umm- â a pause. âYou know youâre not subtle?â
He laughs a little, nodding.
âAfter Bob, I realized maybe whatever I was feeling, you did too. Obviously awful timing. You were so great and comforting. I didnât know when or if Iâd ever be ready to date again. I certainly was not then but youâd come by the store for our lunches and talks.. and I loved having you there. When I realized maybe you wanted more.. I think thatâs part of why I pushed you away.â She sighs.
âThe other truth is I could feel people around town starting to talk. About us. Asking me where Jim was. I was used to stares out in the parking lots after we waited together for our kids, our smoking breaks..â she smiles up at him softly.
âI knew us hanging out had raised a lot of questions. Comments at the store. And itâs silly right?â Joyce pulls her hand away and fiddles with her long hair, pulling it behind her ears, embarrassed.
âIâve never cared for gossip or what others thought before but⊠I got scared.â
Sheâs not proud and shrugs. Hopper leans in, wiping a stray tear off her cheek.
She fiddles with her napkin on her lap before sharing, âI figured why torture you, if I couldnât give you what you wanted- if I was so afraid of crossing that friendship boundary again. Plus this way we could stay friends, even from a distance- maybe youâd meet someone else. Change your mind about me,â she shrugs, looking down at the table.
âI was so in love with you when we were kids so I- I knew that pain. That loss. I thought physically moving away would be easier on us both.â
Beat.
âBut hearing you now, Hop - Iâm so sorry. I shouldnât have kept thoughts of moving away from you⊠you shouldnât have found out from anyone else but me that I was considering to sell. Iâm sorry.â She says again.
Hopper nods understandingly.
âBut,â she continues, âWhen you⊠when you died,â her voice cracks, a soft sob escaping as she collects herself.Â
âWhen you disappeared, I knew how wrong I had been not too tell you- show you how I felt. Accepting that date was a start but.. I shouldâve been more brave.â
She glances around the simple but sentimental restaurant gently.
âWe shouldâve been here such a long time ago. And Iâm sorry to have kept you waiting for our date.â She frowns.
âJoyce,â Hopper sighs. âYou are brave. And Iâm so grateful to get the chance to be with you, to be alive with you.â
A beat.
âAnd I forgive you.â Hopper smiles. âIf that wasnât obvious.â Gesturing to their table.
She smiles, her face turning serious. She canât help but share more of herself now.
âI think Iâve loved you all this time.â Joyce breathes softly, her hands rest under her chin staring up at him.
Hopper laughs. âSweetheart, I know I have.â
They embrace, holding hands, foreheads touching. Theyâre both quiet for a few moments. She leans back after he kisses her forehead.
Joyce smiles, âSo.. whatâs it gonna be? Lasagna or veal?â
âBoth!â He laughs, squeezing her hand.
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Moment 1 : Condolences
Moment 2 : Almost Home
Moment 3 : Immediately After
Moments series- Deleted Joyce/Hopper scenes for season 4 / post season 4 of Stranger Things.