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As a Zutarian I actually don't ship Zutara in the live action. I don't ship anything. They're not Zuko and Katara. No one is who they're supposed to be. The only thing I'm rooting for is this atrocity getting cancelled and buried in the hall of nothing called Netflix.
So when I see this:
I'm just confused as to why is this here. They're not gonna be endgame, obviously. So why does Zuko just casually gently trace his hand on Katara's scarf? It doesn't serve any purpose and it's weird.
Mai's Redemption Wasn't About Her
I never used to think much of Mai. I thought she was strong edgy redeemed villian. But as time went on I realized that her redemption doesn't effect her character. It's just swiching sides.
First let's look at where Mai started. She grew up into a wealthy family and was taught to view the Fire Nation as the heros who are saving the world. Despite holding these beliefs, she was never too passionate about them. She isn't shown to be overly passionate about anything. She's an apathetic character. But make no mistake, she does warn a redemption. She joined Azula and fought the Gaang on multiple occasions and posed as a serious threat. She did what she did for herself, and she saw nothing wrong with her actions. She trusts the values she was raised into, and joins Azula so her life could be interesting. Illustrated in "Return to Omashu":
Azula: I have a mission, and I need you both.
Mai: Count me in. Anything to get me out of this place.
Mai's reasoning for turning good was "I love Zuko more than I fear [Azula]". But I musk question, was it really a character flaw in the first place? Did she ever fear Azula? The answer is no.
Here's a dialogue from "The Drill":
Tyy Lee: Come on, you heard Azula. We have to follow them.
Mai: She can shoot all the lightning she wants at me, I am not going in that wall sledge juice.
And here she once again disobeys Azula:
Toph: That is a nice trick. *earth bends*
Mai: Just take the bear.
Mai does not fear Azula. Or at least, she doesn't effect her choices. And she doesn't actually changes her beliefs. It is made abundantly clear that she still fundamentally misunderstands why Zuko is betraying the Fire Nation is this exchange in "The Boiling Rock Part 2":
Zuko: Mai, I never wanted to hurt you, but I have to do this to save my country.
Mai: Save it? You're betraying your country.
The only driving force for her redemption, was Zuko. And it stays like this. She never learns, grows, or even apologizes to the Gaang. She just loves Zuko. That's it.
She changes so little, so insignificantly, that it makes you wonder, was this redemption actually about her redeeming herself? Or was it about making sure Zuko has a love interest at the end of the show? Or was it to push Azula's character to insanity?
Her redemption played a bigger role influencing other people's characters over her own. Her redemption wasn't about her turning to the side of good, it was about Azula being pushed further onto evil as a result. Because there was no internal change. But Azula? She did.
Mai's redemption was driven by Zuko, and influenced Azula – while she herself stayed the same.
Sometimes I hear Zutarians say something along the lines of "it's not that deep, I just think they look cute together. Leave me alone" in response to harassment from Kataangers. Which is completely fine, say what you gotta say to be left alone. But for some of us it is that deep.
Some of us are genuinely passionate about analyzing the narrative cohesion of Zutara. Some of us genuinely felt wronged when it didn't happen. We deserve to be left alone as well. Because even if you disagree, or think our opinion is shit, everyone are entitled to their own opinion and deserve to be treated with respect. Why do I need to say this.
In Defense of Katara
Update: The views expressed on Aang in this post are majorly dated.
Katara has been..
a controversial character. Particularly for the following reasons.
Supposedly talking about her mother "all the time", bringing it up out of context, making it all about herself and lashing out about it.
Katara is More Patient Then We Give Her Credit for
Katara has been getting a lot of flak for supposedly being hot headed and getting angry at very minor things. Even those who love Katara seem to accept this as the truth. But it's not. In reality, Katara is simply a female character who owns her rage. And I feel like there are two main components that debunk this notion.
Warning: Long, long post.
The Katara hate is so strong in this fandom, it has people making up complete lies and shitty memes. One meme tried to make Katara look immature and selfish by having her as a doge and screaming "I'm the only one who has ever suffered from loss!". But where in this entire show did Katara ever say that? Even when she told Sokka "you didn't love mom like how I did", she simply implied that Sokka wasn't as close to Kya, not that he never experienced a loss. ISTG Katara-haters are some of the most delusional haters I've ever seen. I just felt like venting.
The thing is that that line isn't saying that Katara is the only one who'd experienced loss, it's saying that they didn't have the same loss. It's not about the amount, it's about the type.
Does that make it an okay thing to say? No, it's not. But The Southern Raiders isn't normal circumstances. It's the peak of Katara's arc. After 3 seasons and six years of supporting everyone unconditionally and being perfectly rational about her very intense grief. Moreover, Sokka isn't as innocent as people paint him to be. He was backing up A\ang who was being incredibly insensitive towards her. It is under these circumstances that she has a human moment and lashes out.
From a doylist perspective, Katara by all means should act iraionally under these circumstances. She shouldn't be an angel 100% of the time. So to take her bahavior from just one episode and hold it as what she genuinely believes is reductant in my opinion.
Katara made it very clear that she never ever wants to see Yon Rah again and most of the Zutara fandom supports that decision of hers.
So I guess the possible downside of Katara choosing to marry Zuko means sharing Zuko's burden of reforming and rehabilitating depraved war criminals like Yon Rha and all those who are even worse than him.
Then there's this whole thing with Aaron Ehasz imagining Zuko being Azula's Iroh and she reforms in that way along with my and a few other's ideas of Aang showing her how open and master her own chakras. Speaking of Iroh, does anyone remember his ruthless and brutal 600-day siege anymore? There's no way he'd avoid dropping bodies that whole time.
Looks like Katara will ironically be taking Aang's advice about forgiveness after all but I don't think it'll be necessary for Katara to look for Yon Rah again and say so.
What do you think?
Tw: War crimes, genocide and nazism.
Disclaimer: I don't know what actually happened post canon. I tried to look on internet forums and it seems as the topic wasn't addressed in the comics. For this answer, I'm going under this assumption.
Sorry for not getting to this sooner, life got busy and I didn't want to give some half assed answer to such a delicate topic. There's a lot to comment on so I'll break this down step by step.
A Zutarian: Here's an edit I made of my favorite ship :)
The Comments, For Some Reason:
(All of these are from the same edit!!)
My Interpetation of The Southern Raiders: Part 3 – Katara
Part 1 Part 2
Hello! Welcome to the final part of my series navigating through the discourse surrounding The Southern Raiders. In the first part I discuss A\ang and in the second part I discussed Zuko. Now that we've understood the people around Katara, I can discuss how they affected her and her choices. So, without further ado, let's begin!
There is no K/A or M/Z in Ba Sing Se. Katara and Zuko just had one of those rad Ghibli romances where it's not exactly romantic, but they're spiritually bonded for life.
"Katara Just Needed To Heal Zuko's Scar"
I understand why this argument is being made. After all, she offered to heal Zuko, and so she does. So why are the shippers trying to paint it as some romantic moment? It's a reasonable question. But I'm gonna try to answer it.
Zuko and Katara weren't in love in this scene for two reasons: Firstly, it's their first conversation, making any romantic development feel rushed and unnatural. Secondly, as fictional characters, they don't possess hidden feelings, unless the writers have confirmed otherwise.
So what argument is being made? The argument is that this moment is an example of ship baiting and could have served as romantic build up if the writers decided to go down that route, and I'll explain why.
@fidget-scribbles Personally I don't think it matters why Katara didn't use water in-universe, BUT. The lack of reasoning does raise a question: What would have happened if they weren't interrupted? Would they just-
Zuko:
Zuko:
Zuko:
Zuko: So... Katara I really appreciate the offer but aren't you going to use wat-
Katara: *kisses him*
"Katara Just Needed To Heal Zuko's Scar"
I understand why this argument is being made. After all, she offered to heal Zuko, and so she does. So why are the shippers trying to paint it as some romantic moment? It's a reasonable question. But I'm gonna try to answer it.
Zuko and Katara weren't in love in this scene for two reasons: Firstly, it's their first conversation, making any romantic development feel rushed and unnatural. Secondly, as fictional characters, they don't possess hidden feelings, unless the writers have confirmed otherwise.
So what argument is being made? The argument is that this moment is an example of ship baiting and could have served as romantic build up if the writers decided to go down that route, and I'll explain why.
Zuko, seconds after Aang escapes his ship:
Zuko after capturing Aang, to a waterbending master that can strike him at any moment: Hold on I just gotta recite some poetry I swear it's important-
Sarcastic Chorus's shallow, overriding Zutara word dump getting almost twice as many views in 3 weeks as SneezyPeasy's in-depth Zutara magnum opus in 2 years is my villian arc.
I know we're all in agreement that Katara deserved better, and SHE DID. But really, everyone involved deserved better.
Mai deserved a redemption that was about her. She deserved to leave the life of nobility, that bore her so much she left with Azula. She deserved to live a lifestyle that suits her, not being with the Fire Lord. She deserved to go through a meaningful arc that was in line with her character and get a happy conclusion that's about her and what she wants out of life.
Aang deserved to actually go through the Want Vs. Need arc that was set up. He deserved to develop a more mature view of Katara (romanticlly or platonicly, take a pick). He deserved to eventually see Katara for who she is and have emotionally intumite moments with her, hear her grief. He deserved better character development.
Zuko deserved to end up with someone who he could easily connect to on an emotional level, someone who'd appreciate his gestures, someone who wasn't a part of the reason why he felt so disconnected from everything in the first half of book 3. (which was deserved, but there's an implication here). Someone who understands him.