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The pool’s gone overgrown.
Also hey, I'm alive. Been quiet. A lot of life has had me unable to focus on alterhumanity and such, and my own nonhumanity has just been quiet background noise to my life for a while.
Cw for below, family death.
In a weird spot at odds with my Marowak side right now. My dad passed away by surprise about 5 days ago, woke up to calls at 6am about it. The funeral is this weekend, and public shows of grief are not really how I grieve at all, but here we go anyways.
It's supposed to be like written into the code of my identity to handle parental death and such. But yet I still feel like I am not strong enough to manage it. Yet I keep going, I've spent a lotta time with friends since it happened. Maybe even back then in whatever previous life, I felt this way too. I don't know.
Don't really know what comes next, or what to talk about experience wise. I'm still not human, but also I've got so much more to focus on than that.
Pour one out for AI otherkin in 2025. Just like in general I don't even think I need to explain
Probably a repeated question but it’s still a dilemma for me. Have we as otherkin figured out a non-therian version of terms like contherian, suntherian and vacillant therian? I identify strongly with the vacillant part but don’t want to go snatching the term therian with it.
Nope, and there’s a very specific reason for that.
Shifting narratives weren’t a big part of the otherkin community or narrative until the past decade. So words like that simply weren’t needed. That we’re coming to a point when we feel they are needed in the otherkin community is a little bit tragic to me (but, that’s not what we’re here for).
In ye olden days, therianthropy was very focused on the experiences of shifting. If you didn’t experience shifting, many people wouldn’t consider you a therianthrope.
In 1997, Lion Templin wrote a series of essays on what he called contherianthropy, which wasn’t meant to be a ‘type’ of therianthropy or a way to say ‘therian but no shifting’. Contherianthropy was meant to be its own experience. And it was specifically his experience. I always want to emphasize that. This was a description of his experience of therianthropy/ being animal. That makes it difficult to translate the experience into something like conotherkinity. Certainly you could coin a word inspired by Templin’s writings and his use of ‘con’ (from ‘constans’) but there couldn’t be a direct parallel.
Naturally, new terms cause discourse and drama. So in comes sun/syntherianthropy, coined by Word Wolf because contherianthropy was rather rigid (which it was meant to be, because contherianthropy was Templin’s specific experience).
For those unaware about what suntherianthropy refers to, from Project Shift and Sonne, and also quoting WordWolf:
Suntherianthropy: This is a term defined by a single therian to describe his type of therianthropy, though it can and has been appropriately applied to other therians. It is pronounced “soon-therian” and derived from the Greek word “sun” meaning ‘with’, and used to indicate ‘with animal’ as the term suntherian. There’s also a syntherian variation used sometimes because of the two prefixes having the same meaning, though the creator of the term preferred the pronunciation of suntherian (many people, however, prefer the syntherian variation because of the more appropriate prefix). WordWolf, the creator of this term, defined it in 2005 as:
“This is similar to contherianthropy. In fact, it is what is USUALLY meant by contherianthropy.
A SUNTHERIAN is a therian whose therioside (primary or sole therioside) is integrated into his baseline personality.
HOWEVER, that integration does not prevent him/her from having minor fluctuations of mood that feel slightly more animal, or slightly less animal. He/she can feel them both at the same time, human and animal. He/she can NOT m-shift into his/her base theriotype (whether primary or sole.)”
Vacillant therianthropy followed, which has essentially the same meaning as suntherianthropy but people can bicker if they like. Vacillant was a group effort. Read Jakkal’s very salty journal for more.
Here are Templin’s essays, for the interested (they are very wordy):
Part 1: A Short View on Modern Contherianthropy
Part 2: Fun with Faith - The Fallacy of Therianthropy
Part 3: Proving Individual Contherianthropy
Part 4: Building Blocks to Contherianthropy
I find it tragic simply because I feel like con/sun/syn/ vacillant kind of served their purpose, to normalize different experiences of being animal/ animality within a subculture very focused on certain types of experience being more valid than others.
Whereas for otherkin it seemed that there was already more acceptance of a wide variety of experiences. Otherkin weren’t burdened by shifting narratives in the same way we were. Until recently, where I see newbie otherkin asking, “Do I need to experience shifting to be otherkin?” Well, no, of course not. Otherkinity wasn’t about that. And I lament that your community has been plagued by that narrative while therians slowly escape it.
I wonder if there are otherkin communities like ours throughout Asia and Africa. I'm a firm believer that otherkinity is a global phenomenon, but what kind of communities do Chinese or Nigerian or Pakistani or Tanzanian or Thai otherkin have? There's so little crossover between our various corners of the web, it's actually stressing me out. What search terms would I even use to find the Japanese otherkin community? How similar would the Lebanese otherkin community be to the Anglocentric otherkin community? We barely have crossover with the Russian otherkin community, and that's considered a partially "western" country.
Thanks for digging this up!! Here are the links, for anyone else who wants to peruse:
https://note.com/azusakurodori
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13306063523
If this wolfdog (黒執 梓 / Kuroshitsu(?) Azusa) is anything to go by, the Japanese therian community seems to be in the same boat as most non-English communities I know of - a tiny handful of animals struggling to find others to connect to. Here's what they have to say:
【セリアン/Therian】という言葉や概念を初めて聞く方も多いかと存じます。それもそのはずで、今まであまり世間やネットで広く認知されていませんでした。日本語圏に至っては、ほぼほぼ無名と言えたでしょう。 そもそも【セリアン/Therian】としての悩みを抱える人の数はとても少なく、自分からこの言葉を見つけ、積極的に検索しなければセリアンのコミュニティには辿り着けませんでした。かく言う私も、幼少の頃からこの悩みを抱えていたものの、その概念や海外のセリアンのコミュニティを知ることが出来たのはつい数年前のことでした。 母国語ではない英語での交流でしたが、自分と同じ悩みを持つ皆と出会えたことで、ずいぶん救われたと思います。そこは個人が運営するウェブサイトだったので、大手SNSと比較にならないほど規模の小さいコミュニティでしたが、しかしそれ故に【セリアン/Therian】についての知識をダイレクトに学ぶことが出来ました。自分たちが抱える悩みや問題について皆が真剣に議論して解決策を模索し、協力し合い、そして人生を前向きに考えられるようになる交流の場が育まれていたのです。「もう独りではない」という感覚は、本当に何にも換えられないものでした。
Google Translation:
I think many people are hearing the word and concept of Therian for the first time. This is because it has not been widely recognized in the public or on the Internet until now. In the Japanese-speaking world, it is almost unknown. The number of people who have problems as Therian is very small, and you cannot reach the Therian community unless you find the word yourself and actively search for it. I myself have had this problem since I was a child, but it was only a few years ago that I learned about the concept and the overseas Therian community. Although we communicated in English, which is not my native language, I think it was a great relief to meet people who had the same problem as me. Since it was a website run by an individual, the community was much smaller than major SNS, but because of this, I was able to learn about Therian directly. It was a place of exchange where people could seriously discuss the problems and issues they had, seek solutions, cooperate with each other, and think positively about life. The feeling of "not being alone anymore" was truly priceless.
It sounds like they've been embedded in the Anglocentric therian community for a while, considering they discuss things like teen wolves, Theri There, copinglinking, vacillant shifting, werecards, and AHWw, and have a lot animosity towards "tiktok therians" (which are apparently the most prominent/active therians on the Japanese web, if this blog is anything to go by).
I also LOVE their description of kitsunekind/kitsune therians. It's so cool to get a different cultural perspective on it:
【キツネ/Kitsune】 [関連性:高] [セリアン用語] 日本ではごく自然に「狐は化けるもの」と考えられ受け容れられているが、これは日本独自の民俗学的風習に基づくもので、海外にはこの認識がない。そのため「日本の化ける狐」は海外では「Kitsune」と表現され、「化けない動物のFox」と明確に区別されている。【セリアン/Therian】や【アザーキン/Otherkin】のコミュニティに於いて、この差は日本人が思っているより遥かに大きい。 Foxは【セリアン/Therian】であり、Kitsuneは【アザーキン/Otherkin】に属するためである。そのため【セリアン/Therian】用語の【Kitune】を正しく「日本語訳」するならば、おそらく「妖狐」が適切な訳語になると考えられる。 非常に似た例として狼の【セリアン/Therian】と人狼の【アザーキン/Otherkin】の関係がある。こちらも「人間に変身できるかどうか」で【セリアン/Therian】か【アザーキン/Otherkin】かが分かれるため、明確に区別される。 [Kitsune] [Relevance: High] [Therian term] In Japan, it is quite natural to think of foxes as beings that transform, but this is based on a unique Japanese folk custom, and is not recognized overseas. Therefore, the "Japanese transforming fox" is expressed as "Kitsune" overseas, and is clearly distinguished from the "non-transforming animal fox". In the [Therian] and [Otherkin] communities, this difference is much larger than Japanese people think. This is because Fox is [Therian], and Kitsune belongs to [Otherkin]. Therefore, if the [Therian] term [Kitune] is to be correctly "translated" into "Japanese," it is probably appropriate to say "Yōko" (fox spirit). A very similar example is the relationship between the wolves [Therian] and the werewolves [Otherkin]. Here too, there is a clear distinction between Therian and Otherkin, as they are determined by whether or not they can transform into humans.
Does anyone know them?? Their blog was last updated a week ago, so they're definitely active. But I can't figure out if they're directly involved with any Anglo communities or if they're just a lurker. Their blog is FULL of personal essays - every post with a yellow/brown banner is a personal essay. There's a lot to dig through for our community archivists!
So, someone shared this a long while ago: a Google Doc listing various Alterhuman Communities, which also include as much as possible of non-Anglo communities they can find or have been submitted with.
Should be another helpful place to look at for folks that can work with other languages.
Psychological fictionfolk, are you fictionfolk because of any of the common reasons / explanations?
Yes; neurodivergence (exclu. plurality & delusions, inclu. otherfix)
Yes; plurality / being an introject
Yes; delusions / being an IRL or DA
Yes; trauma / coping
Yes; I chose my source (eg. otherlink)
Yes; multiple of the above
No; I have a different belief
Sorry if this is worded poorly! It's supposed to be the psychological fictionfolk version of this poll
affirmations
i am a complex organism brutally engineered by uncaring forces of nature
i am a product of billions of years and trillions of deaths
i am building a machine greater than myself
i am able to make phone calls and appointments
Going to just put my head in your lap and whine like a sad little puppy until you pet me please
if ur an alterhuman that posts about the more "inappropriate" urges u get, like wanting to piss on stuff to mark it, then I love u
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Yes, I am, Road Sign. Can your B Alternative group help me with my situation?
Hey um! I’m not trying to support discourse or anything and you’re hella free to delete this ask, but jadeeyedwere is making the rounds again in the tags. Idk if you’d wanna let people know or not..I don’t wanna feed the troll or anything yk but innocent folks are reblogging posts from them and it’s concerning me! Like I said totally feel free to delete this if you need!
Ugh, for real? No, making people aware of actual bestialists is not discourse.
For those unaware, jadeeyedwere is, if not an actual bestialist herself, then at absolute minimum a supporter of bestiality. She openly identifies as a "zoo therian" and associates with and was previously (possibly still? I believe they're no longer together) the partner of mr. missing stair LycanTheory himself:
(Archived edition her blog to source the screenshot.)
She also helped co-found the site Therian Underground with LycanTheory, a forum specifically for "zoosexual" therians. (This Beware is primarily about Therian Guide and LycanTheory, but the fourth paragraph provides sources for this, and the rest provides sources for how awful LycanTheory is and how open he is and has been for years about his bestiality.)
Let me be very clear: this is not about zoophilia, which is something you can't control having and thus not a moral issue. This is not about feral furry porn, which hurts no one. This is about bestiality, actually acting on that and sexually assaulting a real animal, and the support thereof.
Don't go and harass these people. That will help no one; if they were affected by harassment, they wouldn't still be open about this after all this time. It doesn't even look like Jade is active on Tumblr right now, it just sounds like people are finding and reblogging old posts. But don't platform them either. Block them. Lock them out of your spaces. These are unapologetic bestialists trying to use therianthropy to justify it. They are not safe to be around.
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No little therian don't post your age online!!!! Don't even put your grade or what level of school you're at!!! It's not worth it!!! Little therian!!!!
if your family or friends are not safe to share your nonhumanity or any other alterhuman experiences with, do not share that stuff with them! Your safety is the most important. I understand wanting to find community and acceptance. I know.
But please if your friends or family actively insult you or call you "delusional" when you bring things up related to your alterhumanity...please don't bring it up anymore. You deserve to let that part of yourself be free and out around those who truly accept you for you.
You deserve to be safe while you be yourself.
If being out publicly as alterhuman or nonhuman would put you in danger or actively harm you, do not do it.
Please please please be safe out there, especially to all the minors in this community. you do not need to wear gear to school to be a valid nonhuman or alterhuman. I understand the struggle of feeling alone in this experience. I know it's hard. but once again. YOUR SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT. YOU NEED TO BE SAFE.
I mean all of this in the most loving and honest way possible. Cause I've been where you are. only share this part of yourself if you are 100 percent sure that the person you are talking to is safe to be out to.
Stay safe out there, everyone. You deserve to be safe.
my nonhuman identity is intertwined with my sexual identity. nonhumanity is not inherently kink-related, but that doesn't mean it can't be. please stop trying to push kinksters out of nonhuman communities, we were the founders of furry and nonhuman groups, we have been here since before you were born.
me holding a gun to a mushroom: tell me the name of god you fungal piece of shit
mushroom: can you feel your heart burning? can you feel the struggle within? the fear within me is beyond anything your soul can make. you cannot kill me in a way that matters
me cocking the gun, tears streaming down my face: I’M NOT FUCKING SCARED OF YOU
Hey OP? What the FUCK does this mean?
decay exists as an extant form of life
That’s a terrifying answer, have a nice day
THE ORIGINAL?!?!!!!!!!!;!!!!!!!!???