sometimes tiktok is okay
of course garrosh is ableist
Look I'm just pointing out the new 'defensive' architecture of org from cata just so happens to festure stairs to Enter all inns, banks and auction houses - making them inaccessible to wheelchair bound orcs, who we know exist in-game! Still, better than stormwind.
pick any metric
less misanthropically evil (stormwind has sniper towers facing its own citizens)
no homeless people in orgrimmar
lifts and ramps allow access to all levels of the city
capital building isn't behind 2 flights of stairs and a fucking moat
no castle-prison used as a recruiting ground for the state assassin's guild
this is so based. also the fact that the horde is better at supporting their citizens than the alliance is hilarious to me
Why are we still arguing about this. Factions are practically irrelevant. It's at the point I don't even pay attention to faction when I make a character
I got this in a comment on my other blog but the character limit in comments isn't enough for me to elaborate.
Idk if I'm being trolled or not but I'll reply as if I'm not. Again, new to Tumblr, something like this on other socials is done in good faith but that doesn't seem very Tumblr.
I sincerely apologize if this comes off as a ramble as I'm not a writer and I'm just sort of spewing all my thoughts onto the page.
Anyway lets start with the obvious, the one in charge of paying the stone masons guild for rebuilding stormwind was lady Katrina prestor...aka onyxia. You can't say the humans are responsible for that in any way shape or form.
Why is the alliance, held responsible for the actions of onyxia? Why is this representative of the alliance? More to the point, why are actions that if I'm being completely uncharitable are the fault of humans (they're not as previously established) imposed on the dwarves or the gnomes or the night elves?
Now let's go back to the horde for a moment. Are the actions of the orcish horde that invaded azeroth inherent qualities of the horde? I mean it is the actions of orc clans that are still standing in orgrimar. Of course not that's ludicrous because they were tricked into drinking the blood of mannoroth and weren't their usual selves.
So why do these standards apply to the alliance but not the horde?
Or another example, the lich king, the lich king is seen as something that could only have come out of the alliance because arthas was still that petty vain human prince. Any good he did doesn't matter (arthas was always a piece of shit and anyone who says arthas did nothing wrong, block me). Now no one who has played alliance and is into the lore would say arthas is indicitive of the alliance. But I've met plenty of horde players who do.
But what about Garrosh? Garrosh has done a tone of war crimes. We all know this. We don't need to re litigate garrosh. Suffice it to say, plenty of people don't claim garrosh... Until they do. Put a pin in that.
Meanwhile let's look at Anduin. In my opinion anduin represents everything good about the Alliance. He is compationate. He always aims to do right by everyone involved even if it's hard. He's been advocating for peace since wotlk and even in the middle of the 4th war he at least attempted to do that. But anduin isn't seen as representative of the alliance as a whole, or if he is, he's seen as whiny and self righteous and overall someone to pity.
Meanwhile we have Garrosh. Let's revisit Garrosh because horde players love love LOVE to point out that garrosh is what the horde should be when it suits them. Namely, stonetalon mountains. Overlord Krom'gar acted dishonorably and garrosh throws him off a bridge for it. This is seen as what the horde should be. Garrosh is an icon for the horde... Until he isn't.
I could go on. Scarlet crusade VS kor'kron, jaina and sylvanas. The fucking tree.
But all of this has been litigated to death and I'm not trying to re-litigate it. Only point out that both factions are complicated. Neither is black or white and that's what makes them compelling. That's what's kept me around.
One of the things I noticed in this discourse is that wow players tend to take everything pre tbc and sort of graft those as essential qualities of all the characters. No matter what the characters or the factions do the factions are essentially always stuck in 2004 but we aren't in 2004 anymore. Anduin has brought peace to all dwarves to the boint black iron dwarves, a previously enemy faction, are now fully integrated into the alliance. 3 of the hero's of the alliance long thought dead to the point there are statues of them at the gates of stormwind commemorating their sacrifice are back and one plays a major role in the next expansion. The zandalari, once a fully enemy faction, are now allies with the horde, the forsaken no longer have sylvanas which is.... A huge deal.
These characters and the world have developed long past the point where onyxia manipulated bolvar and the rest of stormwind into screwing over the masons guild and the factions may as well not even exist anymore in lore and functionally do not exist in gameplay outside of capital cities and old world content.
And yet players can't get over this stupid petty faction war to the point blizzard always brings it back at some point and people eat it up even though it makes zero sense. If blizzard does another faction war expansion now that we have cross faction guilds it's going to be really jarring.
So I ask again, can we please just end the petty faction war nonsense? I'm willing to criticize the alliance for their problems as someone who played alliance exclusively until shadowlands and now plays both factions. I wish horde players would be willing to criticize their own faction and not chalk every problem the horde has encountered as just 'bad writing'
Sylvanas burning the tree down can be justified as retaliation for lordaeran. The assault on lordaeran makes sense as a retaliation,(and somewhat rescue mission) for what sylvanas pulled during the meeting between forsaken and their living family members. Sylvanas trying desparately to stop that makes sense because if the meeting goes wrong and those forsaken succumb to their negative emotions they will functionally die. Anduin setting up the meeting between the forsaken and the living makes sense because he thinks it's the right thing to do to reunite family members and in his mind at that point faction tensions were at an all time low after the defeat of the legion
The fourth war had a ton of potential to show how these characters fell into this war by trying to do the right thing for their people and it ends up as a vicious cycle, and blizzard fumbled the bag so hard.
Garrosh wouldn't have been able to whip up as much support as he did if the culture of dying honorable in battle wasn't so ingrained in orcs. Obviously not every orc agreed with garrosh but the way garrosh was able to garner support shows how a culture with such ingrained... Let's be real.. Nationalism... Can be whipped up into a frenzy with the right rhetoric and charismatic leader.
Overall this game has a lot going on and a ton of shades of grey and I wish players would set aside the faction pride for a minute in order to appreciate it instead of just doing apologea for their chosen faction.
a couple things
1) this was not a discourse, this was a fun conversation until you arrived
2) not all post are for you and if a post irritates you you really don’t have to look at it
3) the discussion was not about individual leaders of the factions, it was about city planning, culture within the cities, and how much (or how little) they support their citizens.
4) garrosh was a racist. we arent defending him. we are actually criticizing him but considering that you didn’t understand anything of what we said i suppose it makes sense you missed the numerous times we dunked on him
5) we weren’t talking about humans or specific alliance leaders, we were talking about the CITIES orgrimmar and stormwind. world of warcraft is a fantasy game, where things like malicious dragons are a very real possibility that major cities should be prepared to deal with. it’s the responsibility of the governing bodies to take care of their citizens, especially in times of need. the alliance has historically been bad at it, the abandonment of westfall when the defias and later deathwing attacked, the fact that there are still homeless people in stormwind after all these years.
6) have you ever considered that faction war shit is fun? it’s world of WARcraft, and even tho the 2 factions aren’t fighting anymore, there are still biases and tension between them because of their history of conflict
7) that comment of mine you screenshotted was making fun of you bc your comment about implying you’re a racist bc you play alliance was so hilariously absurd. im a horde main. ive been around a lot of horde mains esp in trade chat. and even the trade chat degens would sooner call you a slur than say you’re racist for picking alliance. i would kill to see even 1 example of this
8) telling me i don’t see/understand the shades of gray present in wow is hilarious. if you want i can list off a ton of bad shit the horde did (i am in no way arguing that the horde is blameless), but that isn’t what this post was about. it’s about a city’s response to bad shit and their ability to protect their citizens
i very much want to go through your entire ramble and list off every piece of lore you got wrong but unlike you i can’t be fucked to type 21+ paragraphs about this shit.
i hope one of these days you can upgrade your reading comprehension so you can actually understand the posts you read
never show up on my blog again and remember:
i know more than you
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