Kicking Back with Kick-butt and Sayantani DasGupta
Welcome back to Kicking Back with Kick-Butt! We’re talking with Sayantani DasGupta, the author of THE SERPENT’S SECRET (Kiranmala & the Kingdom Beyond Book 1) MEET KIRANMALA: INTERDIMENSIONAL DEMONSLAYER (But she doesn’t know it yet.) On the morning of her twelfth birthday, Kiranmala is just a regular sixth grader living in Parsippany, New Jersey… until her parents mysteriously vanish later that day and a rakkhosh demon slams through her kitchen, determined to eat her alive. Turns out there might be some truth to her parents’ fantastical stories—like how Kiranmala is a real Indian princess—and a wealth of secrets about her origin they've kept hidden. To complicate matters, two crushworthy Indian princes ring her doorbell, insisting they’re here to rescue her. Suddenly, Kiran is swept into another dimension full of magic, winged horses, moving maps, and annoying, talking birds. There she must solve riddles and slay demons all while avoiding the Serpent King of the underworld (who may or may not want to kill her) and the rakkhosh queen (who definitely does) in order to find her parents and basically save New Jersey, her entire world, and everything beyond it… Let’s talk to this awesome author and her fantastic book! This is Sayantani! Everyone say, “Hi, Sayantani!”
Welcome to Kick-Butt Kidlit, Sayantani! Tell us about yourself! Thanks so much for having me! It’s an honor! Ok, about me: I’m a daughter of immigrants from India, a mom of two amazing teenagers, a pediatrician by training, but now I teach at the graduate and undergraduate level – in a field called narrative medicine/health humanities and also in the department of race and ethnicity studies and comparative literature at my university. (I have the best students who are all going to change the world!) I also have a very silly rescue dog named Khushi (Bengali for happy) who is afraid of EVERYTHING. Plastic bags, the dishwasher, vacuums, trucks, you name it. But we adore him. The Serpent’s Secret is my debut MG novel. Oh, my goodness - I think your dog would get along with my cat....but they might be too scared to meet each other! Where did the idea for THE SERPENT'S SECRET come from? I always go to that Toni Morrison quote, “If there’s a book you want to read and it hasn’t been written yet, then you must write it.” The Serpent’s Secret is the book I needed as a 12yo immigrant daughter growing up in Ohio and then New Jersey. I was a huge reader and movie buff, but while I loved, say, A Wrinkle in Time or Little Women or Star Wars or Star Trek, those stories didn’t necessarily love me back. In other words, there was such a lack of representation in my life it gnawed at my self-worth and self-esteem. When the books and media around you either erase you or give you negative portrayals of people who look like you (I’m looking at you Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom), you start to think that maybe you don’t deserve representation – that someone like you can’t be brave, or strong, or save the world. But when I went on my long summer vacations to India, my grandmothers would tell me these great Bengali folktales starring princes and princesses and rakkhosh demons who rhyme while chomping on your bones – and basically it was the antidote I needed. Hearing those stories allowed me to see that people who looked like me could be brave and awesome and save the world. So when my own kids were growing into the big readers they are, and I realized that things hadn’t changed that much since I was young – there was still a real lack of diversity in children’s literature, particularly in fantasy. So I started to write The Serpent’s Secret for them. While it is based on and inspired by those Bengali folktales I had loved to much as a kid – I also wrote it with immigrant issues in mind. Kiranmala is an immigrant daughter, a girl growing up in New Jersey who has to discover the truth of her origins and travel back to her parents homeland to discover her true inner strength. So in that sense, it’s my own immigrant daughter story, just with more serpents and demons and flying horses!
Your grandmothers sound amazing! I’m so glad you followed through on that inspiration to write The Serpent’s Secret! What were you doing when you found out there was an offer on your book? The journey to publishing this book has been a very long one. I took it out first with a different agent in 2011 ish, and received many, many very politely worded rejections. I think back then, no one knew what to make of a funny, intergalactic Indian immigrant daughter who fought demons! Over the years, I worked on it, edited it many times, wrote other manuscripts, attended endless workshops and writing conferences, joined a lovely critique group… Anyway, suffice it to say when I signed with a new agent in 2016, and he wanted to take this book out, I wasn’t overly confident. Boy, was I wrong! Within a month of my signing with my agent Brent Taylor, we were having a very exciting six publishing house auction on the book! (And in answer to your question, I remember I was in the parking lot outside the pool where my kids do swim team practice when I heard there was to be an auction!) All that waiting now in retrospect was so worth it – I’m so grateful to my editor Abby McAden and all the wonderful team at Scholastic for sharing my vision for the book and supporting it in such a great way. What were three interesting things you discovered while working on THE SERPENT'S SECRET? Since The Serpent’s Secret is not only my debut children’s novel, but also the first full work of fiction I wrote (I’ve written other books, essays, stories, academic chapters etc. for adults), I think the most important thing I discovered in writing this book is my own most authentic writerly voice. For years, I thought to write my immigrant daughter novel, I’d have to write some work of grown up literary fiction full of sadness and monsoons and mangoes. In other words that I’d have to exotify my own story in a sense. Discovering my upbeat middle grade writing voice was like giving myself permission to be my most authentic self – as my family will confirm, I’m kind of a twelve year old at heart! I’ve also discovered the importance of finding your people as a writer – and that means fellow writers who will cheer you on (I’m looking at you critique group partners, We Need Diverse Books and kidlit of color communities!), an editor and agent who believe in you – not just for one story but for the long run, and a publishing house who is willing to support your book and launch it into the world with love. Finally, I think the lesson of my own publishing story is one of persistence and staying true to your story, and your own beliefs. It’s telling the story you want to tell, not the one that others imagine you should tell. That is so, so true. *High fives* If you could transport your characters across book dimensions, which book would you most like them to end up in and why? Well, The Serpent’s Secret is already a book about an immigrant daughter travelling across dimensions! And I mean that literally since the book not only incorporates folk tales but string theory! The world that Kiranmala goes into is called The Kingdom Beyond Seven Oceans and Thirteen Rivers – it’s the place most Bengali folktales take place and therefore the homeland I thought Kiranmala should have to return to in order to find her true superpowers. Now, obviously a lot of that is both a nod to my childhood love of space shows and movies, but also my love of A Wrinkle in Time. So I think my characters might have a lot of fun visiting both the Star Wars and Wrinkle in Time universes! Wrinkle in Time has been a popular choice for this question! I love that! Why were you drawn to writing middle grade? Middle grade really is the golden age of reading – it’s when I began my lifelong love of stories and when my children did too. It’s a time full of wonder and honesty and care. Middle grade stories are about hope, about changing the world for the better, about fighting for what’s right and true and just. If we can all keep our most authentic middle grade selves alive in our hearts, I think the world might be a better place. Well said! I agree! Now - any hints about your next book project? Kiranmala’s adventures are nowhere near over! The Serpent’s Secret is only book 1 in the series Kiranmala and the Kingdom Beyond. Book 2 comes out in early 2019! (Title and cover reveal soon!) What has been the most surprising part of your publishing journey? That is actually happened – it actually happened! There was a while there I was pretty doubtful it would, but I am so darn grateful I get to share Kiranmala’s story with a world of readers! (Speaking of, the first two books in the series are coming out in Norwegian, German, Spanish, Catalán, Turkish and now Bengali!) I think your readers are grateful too! We love discovering new books here at Kick-butt so please tell us: what are you reading right now? Tami Charles’ lovely lovely middle grade novel Like Vanessa. It has such an incredible voice, a three dimensional, richly textured main character. It’s so, so wonderful. Oh, and it takes place in New Jersey too – so Jersey girls in middle grade books for the win! It sounds great! Add it to your TBR list, friends! One last question! What's your favourite piece of kick-butt advice? Something Kiranmala learns on her adventure: It’s only when we accept all the parts of ourselves that we can tap into our truest power! I think this advice goes for superheroes as well as writers! Love it! That’s fantastic advice. Thank you so much for joining us, Sayantani! Kick-Butt Kidlit fans, make sure you check out THE SERPENT’S SECRET! It’s available now!
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