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Hello everyone!

This post is here to answer questions I have received. It is also intended to serve as an introduction to my channel.

Some people asked me why I don't post about things I love instead of spreading "hate". The answer is simple. As you may have noticed from my posts, I'm bothered by how Llorumi fans talk about abuse victims. This blog is here so they can feel validated. Yes, what happened to you is abuse. No one can deny that. I know how hard it is to read things like "Harumi should've have done worse to him." But don't get discouraged. Many people who make such statements are children, and if that's not the case, then it's indeed disappointing, but it has nothing to do with you darling. Your experience was real and no one but you has the right to contradict you.

I was also asked what exactly constituted abusive behavior in Harumi's case, since it was just "enemies to lovers" and there are worse ships. I am against calling this relationship enemies to lovers.

The enemies to lover trope requires:

- Mutual agency

- A dynamic where both sides can't stand and hurt each other

And that is definitely not what Llorumi is.

Harumi:

- groomed lloyd emotionally

- exploited his trust

- targetted him

- stalked him for years to figure out how to cause him pain best

- doubled down every time he wanted to help her

- took pleasure in his pain

The hatred is one-sided. Lloyd believed in her after everything she did. He never hated her.

If you're going to tell me there are worse relationships, you should give me some examples. If the two hate each other and do terrible things to each other, then it's still enemies to lovers. However, it also depends on what kind of media you consume, because in shows like Ginny and Georgia, even a slap is considered abuse (Which it definitely is!). But because Ninjago is for children, it makes Llorumi even worse, because she was definitely the most cruel villain. The writers probably went beyond all limits to make her as awful as possible. We can also see the long-term effects of her on his mental health in DRS4.

(I got lazy; maybe I'll add and answer more questions another day.)

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I need everyone to stop calling Llorumi toxic when it's abusive. Nobody would say harming instead of killing. Of course, killing someone is harming someone, just as an abusive relationship is toxic. But these terms are too general and simply not enough to make clear how terrible it is.

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Just because Harumi is suddenly good doesn't mean Llorumi is okay now. They can be friends if Lloyd truly forgives her, but after everything she's done, a relationship isn't possible.

This relationship is arguably the most important one a person will have, and therefore it should be based on love and trust; it should make you feel safe. That's not what happened with Llorumi.

He doesn't even love Harumi. He loves the person he thought she was.

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am I gonna get jumped for saying I think half of the fandom would hate llorumi or dislike it in some vain if Lloyd was a woman and Harumi was a man.

and NO. this is NOT any hate on Harumi I actually adore her writing and her as a character, I just have my thoughts on the llorumi ship 🤷

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People literally never stop talking about Harumis trauma and use to endlessly defend her actions, call her justified, water down her down as a villain, and invalidate people who don't like her

A lot of people aren't ignoring or glossing over her trauma they just acknowledge that it doesn't excuse any of the torture and literal mass murder she committed. Also the overlord didn't approach her until after she was already dead, dead as a result of HER OWN WRONGDOINGS. He basically was like 'hey I can bring you back to life in exchange for working for me or you can stay where I've found you'. AND THEN after she's brought back to life and before she actually brings back the overlord she straight up says she doesn't have to do what shes doing to Lloyd. She had choices and she picked the cruelest one almost. Every. Single. Time. Being an unstable teen doesn't just suddenly rip away the amount of control she clearly had over her plans.

Another thing, character resurrections are just hard to pull off in general as they can cheapen the impact of the initial death and work has to be put in to make them feel earned. People also take issue with Nyas ressurection in Crystallized and she didn't even do anything wrong, it just didn't work out well narratively. Harumi being brought back just feels more egregious in comparison, not only did it cheapen the impact of her tragic and poetic death but shes one of the villains least deserving of a second chance. It also really doesn't help that her botched "redemption" is slapped on top of it.

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"I love overhated female characters!"

*Proceeds to show a picture of the terrorist villain that abused the mc and has done multiple crimes including profiting out of slavery instead of the Woman that has been reduced as mother figure and gets aggressively hated on for making bad decisions due to the awful situation she's in*

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Spoiler for drs4‼️

Enemy Lloyd x Harumi is somehow even worse than Lloyd x Harumi. I mean they're both terrible. But just how various people already figured Enemy Lloyd talks about Lloyd in the same way Harumi talked about him.

This should be a wake up call. Harumi is at fault for many of his self doubts and (maybe) even suicidal thoughts. Instead of the fandom realizing this relationship simply can't be healthy or Normal. Numerous Llorumi shippers continue to worship the idea of an awful abusive and toxic relationship.

Not to forget that Enemy Lloyd are just Lloyds inner thoughts therefore this doesn't change the experience he had with Harumi!

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Making Llorumi a yuri doesn't make you seem woke hun.

It's still Abuser x Abused doesn't matter if they're two Girls?

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I feel like many Ninjago fans just don't understand the Problem about shipping Llorumi.

It's fictional and I understand that various people use shows to enjoy dynamics they wouldn't support in real life.

This is actually tolerable as long as you are careful and not use reckless language since people that suffer from the same experiences go online which can cause unnecessary harm.

However once you decide to go on different platforms and share your opinion on how a relationship like Llorumi isn't abusive and actually healthy or Normal you're dismissing Lloyd as a victim. You're saying it's not that serious while the injured Party observes this content and starts questioning whether they were reacting accordingly.

Some might say their words can't have such a huge impact and I'm just exaggerating but oh they do.

Words Influence perceptions, emotions and behaviors, shaping relationships and personal well being through their power to inspire, motivate , comfort or distress.

I've seen multiple ninjago fans that suffered from different kinds of abuse speaking about their discomfort in this fandom which honestly saddens me deeply.

They discussed different behaviors of Llorumi shippers such as the stated "Empowerment" they feel when a Girl does the abusing. I strongly believe this isn't the appropriate vocabulary we should be using when referring to an abusive relationship no matter who the victim is.

This can be very disappointing and upsetting for this group of people considering that Ninjago is usually a comfort show.

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The way she‘s holding him leaves him no room to fight back. Because if he does. He‘ll fall and d!e. Therefore his only options are watching his friends d!e or dy!ng himself.

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This scene is so fckn weird? Why tf did the writers repeat this? It was weird when Kai did it to skylor and it's still fckn weird.

It's not appropriate for a kids show do they want little boys to think it's okay to spy into a girls room? Do they want little girls to think it's not that bad when someone spies on them? In s4 Lloyd told Kai he shouldnt do this and now he's doing it himself?

I'm so sick of those writers smh.

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If Lloyd were a girl and Harumi a boy in this scene, this fandom wouldn't hesitate to call this sexual harassment.

Sure, it's just a show for children, but I'm concerned about the way you're defending this behavior.

To say that this is not sa is simply wrong. In a previous episode, Harumi tried to kiss Lloyd and he didn't reciprocate. Now she's trying again at this moment when she knows perfectly well that he doesn't want it. To touch his chest to manipulate him and make him feel like he can trust her is truly disgusting behavior. Sexual harassment doesn't become invalid because she pulled away when she told him to. Unwanted touching is unwanted touching.

Misogyny in this fandom is big for example towards Misako and Nya but Llorumi for sure isn’t a part of this.

Greenwind is just as hated as Llorumi, and that's not because of misogyny. Both ships are disgusting and must not be worshipped.

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Llorumi fans defending Harumis actions without making fun of abuse victims challenge : Impossible

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Llorumi shippers will look you straight into your eyes and say "He liked it" when mentioning the s€xual assult in i think "only" s8.