EreHisu conversation in c130
I’m not sure if anyone is interested in reading my post anymore since tumblr is kinda dead now, but I don’t wanna post on any other social platform. Well then, this post might not different from other analyses you’ve already seen (I’m busy with another fandom lol), I just wanna write down my thought about EH. 😆
First, I’m so thankful because EH conversation is drawn outside the farm. This is just like a revised combination of their conversations from c66 (EH in cave) and c70 (EH in farm).
“… You want to kill them?”
She didn’t say anything about Eren killing their old friends, because she knew they became enemies. Other than the fact he telling Historia his plan because she’s his ally since 3 years ago, I like how in front of Historia, he could express his thoughts openly as he believed that she wouldn’t criticize him and she would encourage him just and would say something like “What we’re doing here can’t be wrong” as she did before.
Of course, this time Historia had to say what’s he’s gonna do is unjustified.
Yes, Eren’s attack is unjust because instead of doing the 50 years plan in which he just needs to release the Titans in Shiganshina to destroy Marley allied force as Armin said in c123, Eren rather brings ruin to the entire world to end the cycle of hatred (which will affect the future generation) and to save Historia’s children from being the sacrifices (which no one actually gives a fuck). Historia couldn’t say “What we’re doing here can’t be wrong” because this route he chose which can ensure her safety will involve the innocents lives, even their friends lives.
I’ve been repeating this and I repeat once again: if Eren wanted his friends to live a long, happy life, he should’ve followed the 50 years plan while opposing Sieg’s Euthanasia plan. Following that way, he only has to sacrifice Historia instead of causing a chaos like the current situation.
By the way, I want to quote an anonymous confession in my local fandom that I find it kinda interesting to read, it was from an Eren anti. It’s rare to see a sober cringevengers fan, let aside flaws in their argument, I think cringevengers fans need to open their eyes like this person, at least they know Eren’s not doing all of this because he wanna protecc muh nakama (Sasha’s crying in heaven).
“Anyone out there is sick of Eren in c130? Since c108, Eren said he wanted everyone of 104th to live a long, happy life ever after. But look at 104th now, do they look happy? Or do they look painful and feel depressed as fuck, huh? Sasha died, Armin was about to commit suicide by throwing himself into titan’s mouth, Mikasa still feels spleenful for being called a slave, Levi was like da fuck, am I a joke, my soldiers died because of what the shit is this?!? Look at their faces now, do they look happy and have any will to live on!? Meanwhile Eren is acting like “I did all of this for you, I beat you, I insulted you, I killed bunch of people all for you, but you ain’t understand me.” It sounds fucking psychotic. I hurt you to make you happy later!? Nani!?
It reminds me of the image of violent parents who abuse their child because they’re unaware of what they’re doing is abusing since they think spare the rod, spoil the child. Beating & insulting are method to make you happy in future. Hell no. Eren does his great act then dies, he only has 4 years left, easy game for him. But remember, dying is easy, living is harder, wanting to die but can’t die is a fucking hell. Eren dies, ok he’s done, but what about the others?! They will have trauma/PTSD for the rest of their lifetime. Damn it.
Eren makes me sick. He’s fucking selfish.
Don’t tell me Eren’s doing it because he doesn’t have any other way. Does he do it since there’s no other way, or does he do it since he just wanna believe he was right about killing people, and gives zero fuck about other options!? No one know because he ain’t share any information to anyone. From head to toes, there’s only his subjective plan. He didn’t share anything to other brains to help him in thinking.”
The last part is full of bluff, but I’m glad this person still remembers what Eren had done to his friends.
People say you’re doing all of this for your friends not only Historia, you said you want everyone to live a long, happy life but why don’t you just rumble a part of Marley, or just Marley’s military is more than enough to make a Grim Reminder to the world? Your brother Sieg believes that euthanization is the best salvation thus you had to pretend to follow his Euthanasia plan, I get it, but you could just tell your friends or MPs about this, to help them get rid of being at risk without knowing anything until they have to figure out themselves. Or… because they’re 50 years plan supporters, you could not tell them? lol.
What you’ve done until now even Armin can’t understand lol.
Go back to Historia and Eren’s conversation.
We all know Historia isn’t a saint who’s willing to sacrifice herself unconditionally like Krista, but she’s indeed a kind girl always helping people in need according to Eren. Indeed, Historia is not a selfish bitch at all, Historia agreed to become the queen voluntarily as she wanted to rescue people in need, she’s been taking care of children and animals in her farm since then. However, just like Eren who once believed “on the other side of the ocean is freedom”, on the other side of her throne is not something as simple as “living a life with pride and helping abandoned people”, she has a new burden which is called responsibility as a leader of a nation and that means people have right to ask for her sacrifice despite that is against her will.
That’s why sometimes I feel Historia is going back to her old-self a bit. Not the same Krista / Ymir when she was in Marley, but to me she was kinda like Ymir after getting a second life. Hence, I kinda don’t like how people exaggerate her selfishness to the point Historia looks like she doesn’t give a fuck about anyone other than herself, thus she got pregnant to avoid becoming a shifter, imo she’s just like a person who has their own normal selfishness, like, willing to help others is different with willing to die for anyone, unless there’s a person who is very important to you.
And that’s exactly what Eren did. “I’d be happy to give up my life, but I’m not prepared to sacrifice Historia.”
As some other analyses already pointed, Historia is a person always seeking for love, the thing she never experienced fully from her parents and other 2 mother figures because they all abandoned her, not for her sake but for their egos. Her mother refused her existence until she died, her father wanted her to be titan for his place, Frieda lost to 145th king’s ideology and didn’t take action on the day Wall Shiganshina destroyed, Ymir left her because she wanted to payback the warriors for giving her a second chance to live… And there is only Eren left, he gives her the love she’s always yearning for and although he left her, it was for her sake this time.
“It’s fine… Historia, run!!”
“Even if you’re okay with it, I’m not.”
The moment Historia fully realised her father abandoned her the second time by deceiving her to inject the serum, she decided to throw away the world to be on Eren’s side. And the moment Eren fully realised everyone is gonna abandon her by letting she become the breeding sow because they have no other choice, he decided to throw away the world to be on Historia’s side.
Part of the conversation in c130 also gave the same feeling when they were in the cave, Historia was about to forget the selfishness a human being needs but she would remember it eventually.
As I said above, before being the queen, Historia is just a human being, she has the right to fear, to suffer for becoming a titan and a breeding machine. Ironically, it was the moment people need her help. Fortunately she still has Eren who can see through her nature, just like Ymir did. These two both want her to live a life with pride, a life without being killed or becoming a tool for the others. Therefore, what Eren said to Historia was to remind her she should value herself instead of throwing it away.
That’s why in my point of view, Historia and Eren this time are repeating what they have done before in another way. I’m laughing at people who say Eren was manipulating Historia’s mind by reminding she’s the worst girl in the world. From what I’ve read, the reason Eren said it is totally for her sake.
She said she’d never be able to live a life with pride if she couldn’t stop Eren, it was because she couldn’t do something to save Eren’s humane and other lives will be taken away by Eren, all of them are in need of her sacrifice. And in that moment, Eren reminded her that before living a life with pride by helping people, she needs to be the worst girl who didn’t let anyone kill herself, neither volunteer to get the titan power against her will. Yeah, you need to have a life for yourself first, Historia.
Now I’m going to talk about “having the child” part.
I know there are many discussions, debates, analyses about this part already. I myself find kinda tired because of Isayama’s writing, it’s not like I’ve lost belief in EH, but I feel like he’s using cheap bait to write EH plot.
Just like the image below, maybe you already know this, unless Isayama was inconsistent, there were different EH meetings in farm and we all know there must be a reason for it. And that means both conversations between Eren and Historia (c70, c130) were interrupted by Mikasa directly (Mikasa being a third wheel herself) and indirectly (Sieg talking about her crush on him) when Eren reminded Historia what she said in the cave.
And it seems people who dislike EH tend to forget Eren was lying to Sieg during the whole conversation in Liberio. These panels give me 2 impressions:
1/ Eren as a fellow anti-natalist of Sieg naturally would say “I want them to live a happy life” when in fact his friends wouldn’t and it would be a lie. However, if we assume that Eren said the truth from the bottom of his heart, scroll up my post, his friends will live a long life, yes, but they will live with sorrow regardless they will be able to stop him or not. Even if Eren uses the founding power to erase their memories, Ackermans and some other bloodlines are not affected and it will make their lives cursed after all.
Not to mention in the last memory shard, aside from the fact Erwin and Sasha no longer have a happy life, it’s the night before they taking back Wall Maria, not the scene in c108 (although it was drawn in the beginning of c130) when he said those touching words which is very appreciated by 104th fans. I mean, you wish your friends a happy life by thinking about the night before a war 4 years before instead of your sweet moments in c108… lol.
2/ Eren is talking about another “them”, not “his friends”. It’s weird to reply Sieg with “they” (あいつら) when they were just talking about the affection of Mikasa for him, he should’ve said “she” (あいつ, やつ, 彼女) or something like “she and the others” instead. Other than the fact Eren was busy with his thoughts about Historia when Sieg explained to him about the protection when loving someone, it also gives me a feeling Eren is talking to himself rather than answer Sieg. And what a coincidence, when he remembered Historia with the child question, he said “they” right after that panel.
About Historia’s question.
Since JPN fandom is also confused with this part, I think I also can just give out my subjective personal opinion.
I’ve been avoiding to use “proposition” to have a child from Historia because this doesn’t sound like a proposition to me. JPN fans tweets I saw also have a mind setting that if Historia proposed to have a child, it sounds like this is a planned child (with farmer, lol?) more than a child born from love. Because she has no reason to do that, if someone tries to oppose this argument I want to reminder them that:
Eren already had wine plan and the wine had been given to the top ranks since Yelened revealed it to Eren about 10 months ago, Yelena more than anyone, she cares about her idol’s life the most, instead of counting on Historia’s ovulation, wine plan is more certain.
If Historia loves farmer (after being rejected by Eren blah blah blah), she would eventually marry him and have a happier face.
Historia was born because her mother, a mistress, wanted to be promoted as her father’s wife. It means her birth was to serve a plan, I don’t wanna recall antis say like mother like daughter anyway, to think Historia will give birth to a child for a plan is a disgrace to her character.
Eren has been against Historia having children for a plan, saying Eren told Historia to fuck farmer for his plan’s succession is insulting Eren as well.
Historia’s question was more like… she’s hiding the fact she has a child to me.
I mean, I don’t know but to me, Historia is just a girl at her 18. In first few months of pregnancy, I think she couldn’t tell if she really got pregnant or not. Even if she has female officers with her, everything was so obscure except some symptoms, or she just feels there’s something strange in her body.
Thus, I feel like she was making a hypothesis for Eren. “Well Eren, this is just a hypothesis, it doesn’t mean it’s true, but let’s imagine, what do you think about me having a child…? Just for fun, I’m just joking haha… ha…”
It wasn’t like a “you’re gonna become father” announcement, my impression is Historia was also unsure about her body’s condition. And Eren, knowing himself only has 4 years left, cucked himself proposed her to find a cover asap just in case. But I think Eren might completely believe that he’s going to be a father based on what he said during the conversation with Sieg.
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