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Closed for the Season, Friends!

Thanks for all the interesting asks over the past few weeks, Osblaines (and kind neutrals we believe may have also been sending in questions). The Testaments season is wrapped, and so are we for the next little while. We're taking a break from the inbox to protect our peace, our mental well-being (sadly we've seen an increase in rude antis trolling the inbox), and to focus on real life stuff- we've fallen behind on our fanfics that we'd love to return to and share with you all once they're ready to publish. We have a few asks that are answered and lined up in our queue, but once those have dropped over the coming week, things will slow down for a bit.

For now we're just going to do our best with reblogging any fanfic and fanvid posts. Eventually we'd love to return to our poll series should there be enough interest for that.

As always, we will forever remain a safe space for Nick and Osblaine fans, and we love and appreciate you all.

Thanks. ❤

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The show could go more after book next season, Commander Judd becoming the head of the eyes (I think they will do lot's of things off screen) Penny being one of his dead wives and getting interested in marrying Agnes, Aunt Lydia and her figuring out what he does so Agnes won't be married to him but becomes and Aunt actually all the other girls Shu, Daisy and Agnes are leading more to becoming Aunts in the show. I just wonder why they sacrificed Becka, did they have to choose one girl for unnecessary drama? Why make Garth so book inaccurate ? Just let Brad's character be a new character for the show. Don't get why Becka and Garth had to be changed soo much for the show.

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Yeah, it certainly seems like the show could lean more on the book in the second season. The Judd plot does seem like it's coming to fruition after wasting an entire season just kind of doing nothing with him as a character. You're right to point out that lots of stuff for him will happen off-screen in order to get him where he needs to be.

But yeah, S2 seems like it will be the Judd season, getting Agnes/Hannah slowly into a position for the Aunt stuff which will likely occur in S3, and then maybe, just maybe, the Jade/Nicole stuff will happen in S4, with Gilead falling completely because of it. (Which is different to the books, but it's already obvious they want the girls to bring down Gilead, much like the standard YA story.)

It does seem like all the main girls will eventually become aunts on the show for the most part.

We suppose it's because by making Becka's story more dramatic, it makes Agnes's story more dramatic by as a result, but it leaves a lot of room to give Agnes her own plots without bogging her down with complexities. (Not that that they never waved away any of the complex plots for June when they made things too difficult to write, but in a show like this, it's easier for the story to become overwhelmed.)

As for Garth, it's likely a combination of American politics and trying to avoid all the issues they created with Nick. Plus they have decided they must have a male character, so they inserted him into Gilead, but did so in a way for the audience members to complain about him being "useless".

We really wish they'd kept those characters the same as their book ones and created originals to tell the story they're clearly so keen on telling. But creating as much drama as possible is all they really care about because drama equals ratings and that equals money. And money is the ONLY thing these people care about.

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I'm not holding my breath for the next season. I don't think The Testaments were well done. The concept is there but the writing is awful. They had 5 filler felt episodes where nothing happened then everything happened in only 37 min then the finale which erased everything we slowly got forced down our throats before. We knew Garth and Becka marriage since episode 6. Nothing attention grabbing happened, they even made June way nicer and calmer then she actually is. I was like who is this that's not June lol. I don't know if it was the acting but Becka's mother looked kinda shocked when the aunts told Becka what to say (that her mother killed the father) and she had no other choice but give in, not like some say she did it for her daughter. It's pretty crap for someone get the punishment they haven't done mother or not. I just see this show getting dragged for 6 seasons too, the 1 season is probably the most they took from the book even though it's almost nothing at all. I wonder how MA feels about that. The next seasons will be whatever the show writers come up with. I already see now shifts between Garth and Becka fans shipping with Agnes, this fandom might be hell for the wirters in the future and honsetly that would be karma.

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We don't blame you for that. When looking in the context of tht, where the show went more and more downhill as time passed, it's hard to have faith that tt, which is in our opinion is sitting at a tht s4 level of quality, will actually improve upon the issues it currently has.

It's hard to see that the show has the bones to be good, but it just misses things in a lot of ways that makes it hard to enjoy (and we're just watching clips- watching whole episodes would be harder!). They'd really improve things if they actually did some world building. While they irritatingly excused the world building away in tht because we "saw what June saw or knew" (which was bullshit), tt has two other main narrators that actually do know decent amounts about the Gilead universe. There's no excuse to not use them to flesh that out when we see more than Agnes does. It's certainly not like the show lacks the time in the episodes to do so either. They could have cut the filler, spent more time with Mayday, given Garth depth, and spent some time with the aunts and working classes, and things would have been a lot better.

Immediately turning things around after developing them for an entire season is a Bruce Miller specialty. We wonder just what will be walked back in the S2 tt premier episodes. Tht was notorious for doing that, we have no reason to believe that tt will be any different.

We'd really love to know MA's actual true thoughts on the matter. Alas we never will- she has to make nice to sell more copies of her book and to get more of her works adapted. We expect the show will use little snippets of the book here and there, but it's never going to be more than loosely inspired and that makes us quite sad.

We would love for the creators of tht and tt to have to deal with a really messy, drama filled fandom with crazy ship wars. They have set this all up unnecessarily (again with another pointless love triangle, argg), so they deserve to reap what they sowed. They deserve nothing less than even more ire from the fans they pretend to like.

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Now the finale. I knew they would make some things undone like Agnes' engagement to Commander Weston. Looks like they only did that to use his soft spot for Agnes for a get out of trouble for Becka nothing else. She might get lead to Commander Judd like in the book next season. Becka married to Garth (still an awful storyline). Agnes and Becka's kiss was full of chemistry of the actors they look better than Garth with any of them. Daisy the mini June rocking. Next season will be defo a reboot with a completely different vibe hopefully not so slow in the middle like the first season. Kinda things happened also nothing happened. It would be better if they did a Agnes x Becka affair than Garth sorry but he has no chemistry with anyone other than Daisy which is the irony the writers get since in the book he is only a part of Daisy's story.

PS still don't know what they are trying to do with show Garth. Any character has a status and purpose to the story but him not so much. He just seems to be inbetween Agnes and Becka from a viewers point and how they writers represent the show.

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Yeah, it's not a shock that they'd undo some of the things that they built up to during the season, like the Weston engagement. It gives more drama to the story of Agnes throwing everything away to help Becka and it allows for the Judd story to start up, perhaps with an increased edge of danger for Anges as it makes Judd see her as more threatening due to Agnes's position becoming more precarious. And yes, it's likely they also used Weston and his role as a way of making it a bit easier for Agnes to help Becka.

We're with you- we really don't care for the Becka and Garth stuff. It feels really ridiculous. Hopefully this plot won't last long into the second season. There is so much on the show that's lacking and spending more time on this plot is such a waste. As you stated, the writing of Garth has issues. They'd be better off developing him rather than using him as a dull stand-in for the "disappointing male" role.

And yes! The Becka/Agnes kiss had significantly more chemistry than anything we've seen on this show. Daisy and Garth do have their moments though and we do love the irony that they work better considering it basically is the only real element they've kept for Garth's story (even then not really as Daisy/Nicole had a crush on him and Garth was significantly older).

Daisy very much feels like June plopped back into the show. We hope she gets to develop into her own character rather than just copying the previous "Super Amazing Perfect Feminist Hero Mother" that they wrote June to be. We really, really wish they'd kept her as Nicole and kept her organic to the book character who had elements of both parents and was still her own unique self.

We'd love to say that the middle episodes won't lag in s2, but they will. Tht had that problem pretty constantly starting in S3 (honestly even parts of S2 had issues) and there is no evidence that they will do any differently for tt.

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I might be the minority but I really don't like how they keep intentionally put female pronounces on God. That's not feminism. Like it's not God's fault they misuse religion. There should be still some respect. Not everyone who believes in God thinks men are superior. Plus "Don't let the bastards grind you down" like dude it's so washed out now that was not supposed to be a rebel quote but something Offred in the books wanted to know and test Commander Waterford if he likes her comapany that enough to answer her that. How did they come to the conclucion to make this so overused and it doesn't even sound like a call at all. And it's originally used with humour, like book!C.Waterford said too.

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We can understand that. Sometimes this show feels like it was written by Reddit atheists. Other times they lean too much into a character's religion in ways that feel really odd. (June's religious lines last season certainly sounded more like Serena and less like June, it was perplexing. We're fine with June retaining her faith, but they should have toned it down and had her speak more like herself.) It's a superficial portrayal of religion, done to align with the current Christo-fascist political issues in the US and to send a particular Message using their branch of feminism. It doesn't feel particularly thoughtful, instead done to be provocative.

At the heart of it all, Gilead is and was never about religion, they merely used it as a tool of control and manipulation. It often feels like the show forgets that in their desire to target a more politically engaged audience.

Daisy being someone that believes in a female god actually does fit the character (she's basically meant to be the embodiment of June's "Under Her Eye" line), but it'd be nice to explore religion through the eyes of many characters and not act like June and Daisy's religious beliefs are the only right ones. Believing in a female god is fine, acting like it's the only right way to believe in a god is not. Religion and feminism is a complicated thing, something the show doesn't really have the maturity to tackle with all the depth and nuance such topics deserve.

It is sadly now an overused quote. It should have been used sparingly, but it's a good tagline and a recognizable one, so it's no shock they used it to death. We can understand shifting the context around it as it really is such a good line and is one that gave strength to the handmaid in the book, but the show just did so in a way that felt really cheesy, especially as it was used so often.

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It looks like Margaret makes an appearance in the latest episode of The Testaments. I’m so disappointed. That means she approves of all these changes.

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So we can indeed confirm that she has returned, briefly filming a scene as an aunt.

While it is possible that that's a sign of her approving of what's going on and all the changes, good and bad, it's pretty unlikely given she has been critical of several choices tht made and has largely still remained silent about the show. There could be several reasons as to why she appeared:

She did it as a way of drumming up publicity for the novel, hoping to sell more copies of her book. This feels pretty likely to us given she's been engaging in American politics during this second Trump term as a way of marketing her books in a way she never did before. By capturing interest at its highest, she sells more copies. Plus with the show butchering her novel, she may as well make more money out of it.

She did it out of obligation.

She did it as a favour to someone/out of courtesy, whether that was to Ann or to the younger cast members (Brad and Lucy in particular seem to be fans of her) or even The Scientologist.

She simply wanted to appear in the one plot segment the show is doing justice to and which she is most interested in (the aunt backstories).

*puts on clown shoes and mask* Maybe she only agreed to appear because they've made changes to the parts of the show she's most critical about, like the plot armour and destroying the whole power of love. A little "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" sort of deal.

We do understand feeling a bit out of sorts about this given she has been so removed and quiet about the show for years. It was quite a shock for her to turn up so suddenly like this, especially when we've all been wishing for her to speak up about the mess of the final two tht seasons and the needless removal of Nicole from her position as main character for tt. But at the end of the day, Hollywood is a business first and foremost. MA wants to make as much money as she can and get her other stories turned into shows or films. That can only happen by being seen as publicly supportive and cooperative.

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Getting Garth and Becka married already drifted way too much from the books and og story. Too bad.

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Yeah, we certainly don't care for this plot element at all. It's an insult to the book and it took up so much time on the show that could have been better spent elsewhere. So much of the show ended up underdeveloped because they spent so much time on this unneeded plot.

At the very least they should have been telling this story through the eyes of original characters, not preexisting book characters. Doing what they did ended up muddled and confusing. The plot itself isn't terrible (though we saw it twice with Nick and once with Esther, so it is repetitive- we know they intend for the two shows to be separate, but let's be real, this is basically tht s7) and there is a decent story to tell there, but the execution is lacking.

It truly is too bad. This show had great potential with such amazing source material to use as a guide, and it just ignored it all to take advantage of the good name of the book and fans of it, to needlessly expand the story and drag things out, and to insert petty immature drama.

We wish there was more to be positive about, but unfortunately there isn't. It really hurts to see. We could forgive some of the changes. We're not fools- adaptations need to adjust to thrive. But changing Daisy and Garth completely (the former especially so- Garth can still be adjusted to work as his book self) is so hard to overlook. Daisy should have been Nicole, full stop. We're not pleased by this show having so many issues in the slightest. We wanted it to be good and respectful. It hurts that it's another slap in the face to fans. It will forever be a blight on the book to screen adaption universe, joining countless novels that have been massacred for the egos of profit-obsessed idiots.

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Isn't it ridicolous that June and Lawrence talked so freely openly loud next to the plane on where commanders boarded as if none of the commanders would have noticed June. They really want to make the audience look dumb.

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We agree completely. That was such a poorly written and poorly directed scene. Frankly 6x09 is one of the worst episodes in the entire series (which really says a lot considering how many stinkers they managed to produce) and the lack of any sense of danger is a huge one. There is no way that a woman's voice (and a woman's voice in a place where women are silenced to boot) would not be noticed. There's no way June wouldn't have been noticed barely hiding behind the car. There is no way whatsoever that there wouldn't have been a massive security presence the night after a murder spree. There is no way whatsoever that June wouldn't have been caught and Lawrence's suspicious activities not noticed. None. The amount of suspension of disbelief for this scene to work at all is so overwhelmingly massive that it's embarrassing.

They very much believe their audience and fans to be total and utter morons. They see themselves as high and mighty, above us pathetic peons who watch the show they created because so many people will cheer them on no matter what they do. Proper writers and directors would have completely scrapped everything to do with the plane and started over. But they were so obsessed with redeeming the commander of the colonies and making June perfect and always right that they did whatever they wanted to serve those desires, good writing be damned. 6x09 as an episode will never fail to make roll our eyes out of disgust. The people that made episodes like 1x03, 1x10, 2x09, 4x09, and 4x10 turned around made this trash. It's still hard to believe a year later.

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Garth's communcation is also a problem. Daisy wants to get out of there, his answer was to proof herself to help her out. So she did that impulsively too.

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Yeah, we agree, he does have communication issues. Part of that is from Gilead depriving him from a real education, part is from Mayday keeping him in the dark, and part is a personality thing with him. It all culminates in making a difficult situation worse.

Those communication issues ultimately did contribute to Daisy's impulsive actions. She's already an impulsive character but it's made worse when she lacks the information to make informed choices and feels like she's being jerked around.

And at the end of the day, Daisy chose to return, so Garth is likely to be more irritated by her actions in the next season, especially if Daisy comes to regret staying. Much like June throwing all cautions to the wind in 2x13, and Nick and Rita being understandably upset with her in 3x01, we won't be surprised if Garth is particularly surly towards her in the future.

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Incoming rant. This scene. And some still have the audacity to say Nick is fully bad and a nazi? (btw do they even know the term nazi? bc not everything bad is a nazi, crusaders weren't nazis either). Nick saved Luke and Moira killing two of his guardians no man who is fully behind his regime would kill his own guardians if they were doing their job right. And June got him to a point where he didn't have a choice anymore because she is so unthoughtful of her actions. And he is ALWAYS there for June he comes to her and helps her whenever she asks. That's something every woman wishes from a man.

Forever a Nick defender. We literally have so many reasons to defend him even if the writers thought they could change that (they are clearly not smart writers). The dialog on the plane with Lawrence made zero sense and some try to justify Nick hate alone on that bad writing in that scene. Don't dumb yourself down like the writers do.

Not to forget they took his daughter away from him and the father of Nicole away from her forever plus his son. What the show did was gross.

June chose Luke whatever (even though no way they could work out after all that) but don't let Nick die have him with his family and his daughter occasionally if not otherwise. June doesn't deserve him anyway.

https://www.tumblr.com/bo-kryzze/780299807282642944/june-osborne-nick-blaine-603-devotion?source=share

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Rant away, friend! We too will forever be Nick defenders. Nothing the writers said or did will change our minds. It was so forced to try and make Nick look bad with the ridiculous scene full of bullshit and lies. He was flawed, he was complicated, he had to make terrible choices to survive, but he was never bad.

The vast majority of people throwing around the term 'nazi' genuinely do not know what it means. We've heard from our European followers how troubling they find it for such a specific, loaded term to be thrown around simply because people don't like Nick. It cheapens the atrocities committed by the actual nazis when it's used so casually and incorrectly. One can dislike Nick all they want and consider him as part of the problem of fascism due to his passivity and prioritizing his family, but Nick was not a nazi. He did not display any support for national socialism ever. Unfortunately with the show throwing the word around like it was nothing, they just made everything worse. We'd initially and foolishly believed that the show was doing that as commentary on the dangers of misusing language and how that removes power from words, but sadly not- they joined in the troubling modern political discourse of not using language properly.

And we agree- if Nick were as awful and self-interested and devoted to Gilead as people claim him to be, why would he risk his own life to help Luke and Moira, especially given he doesn't expect anything he does will result in June "choosing" him, so why bother helping? That he chose to help at no benefit for himself and at great risk to his safety and mental well being (seeing as he spiralled after killing the guardian) shows who he really is. 6x03 was a great episode for Nick and his true character, and despite the flaming disaster we still think decently of it.

June's lack of consideration towards Nick will forever make us sad. We'd hoped that s6 would have confronted the fact that she took and took from him without caring that he was falling apart. We'd have loved to see her take care of and support him for once, especially given her freedom placed her in a position to do so. We will never forgive them for robbing Nick of fatherhood and his children of a father (and likely of a relationship as siblings as well). Those three deserved far better.

As much as we hate to say it, we too could have accepted June choosing Luke (even if it would never make sense and would likely be out of guilt) if Nick was left alive and allowed to be a father. At the end of the show, he really did deserve better than June. We're always going to be Osblaine shippers, but that doesn't change how awful June ended up becoming. It's why for us, the show ended at 4x10. That would have been the perfect stopping point.

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Nick haters are getting out of hand now. I deadass saw a tik toker now starting to put hate on book Nick, book Nick who is literally good and doesn't even have the bad writing he had in the show. Saying he pimped out Offered to Fred? Also calling her June when talking about the books which is wrong bc her name wasn't revealed. Seriously wtf is wrong with them and are they getting money for finding any nitpicking stuff turning it into something to hate on Nick ? Commander Waterford used Nick as a messenger to tell Offred to meet up with him, Nick can not say no to that. How can you get a story so wrong you are invested in. But also like let that man go.

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Ugh, oh no that sounds awful. We're sorry you came across such ugly, stupid takes. Book!Nick would truly have no choice in such a situation. Imagine what would happen if he'd said no? He'd be gone, possibly dead, and unable to help the handmaid at all.

Sadly there is no fixing stupid, and to have such a perspective involves a breathtaking degree of stupidity to such levels that suggest they should be reading something like The Bernstein Bears rather than The Handmaid's Tale. That person clearly doesn't have the critical thinking ability to realize just how little Nick can actually do in Gilead.

Honestly a lot of these kinds of takes come from people who enjoy being smug and rage-baiting Nick fans. It's very easy to provoke people by saying something so wildly out of touch that suggests they didn't even read the book.

We'd love if the antis just stopped and let the Nick fans live in peace. But Nick is such an interesting character that even people who hate him can't keep his name out of their mouths.

As for people calling the book character 'June', while it was never confirmed that her name was June, there has long been speculation before that show that it is her name due to the whispers from the handmaids and us as readers meeting all of them except for the one called June. Atwood has stated she never intended for people to make the assumption of her being named June, though she understands why. The show just made it seem like it was a confirmed detail and people understandably don't like calling her Offred, even if the woman losing her name to history is realistic. Not only was it safer for her to keep her name to herself, but names, especially those of marginalized people, are lost to time constantly. People just don't like sitting in that kind of discomfort and so they call her June to avoid the pain of that reality.

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Since the last presentation of Disney didn't confirm season 2 I wonder if they even will do one or only in 6 years. Chase might work at the next Superman movie which will take her time for 2 years probably. They should have casted a lower actress and not a rising star/it girl. I know they probably thought it would be good for the promotion of the show but it really didn't change much the THT has it's on fans who watch it like Outlander did. Her fans even were negative about doing a Hulu show.

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So since this was sent, we have received confirmation of the season two renewal. While it's possible it may take them time to film again due to the rising demand for Chase, she likely signed onto The Testaments as a priority project, meaning that the needs of this show come before anything else she gets involved in. Filming will most likely begin in September or October, as is standard for most of the Gilead universe seasons (the only exception was S5 of tht which began in February and ended in August).

Filming movies is very quick- they average a couple months at most, even for big productions like the superhero films which often require many more reshoots compared to an average drama. So if she were to get involved in such a project, it wouldn't be overwhelmingly demanding. Marketing feels like it takes up a lot of time, but she can easily do a lot of that from Toronto.

They likely needed at least one famous hook to draw people in. Casting an entire group of relatively unknown people is a big risk to take, especially with how The Handmaid's Tale had been fizzling out over the final two seasons. They needed a way to draw in a new audience and by casting a rising star with a very vocal group of fans, they've attracted some new attention. They do have a very large crossover audience from tht, that is right, but the viewership numbers are better than the final two seasons which indicates they have managed to draw in at least some new fans.

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Gilead has huge food shortage but has the newest Audis.

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This comment makes us think of this meme haha:

Joke aside, this is actually quite an accurate detail to have! This is exactly how it is in North Korea where the majority of the population are starving but then the top officials have bespoke luxury cars and designer watches and whatnot. So we quite genuinely love this particular detail on the show as it feels like a rare time that they do some actual research!

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The writers made Garth so useless on the show people think he will get killed off in the S1 finale. 😆. Plus the actor didn't post the S2 renewal of the show like others did. But honestly I wouldn't miss show Garth he's nothing like our beloved book Garth.

They also made a parallel to Offred getting picked up by the eyes at the end of the book with Becka getting taken away and Garth telling her it's alright like book Nick did. If they really try to put book Nick into Garth and making him look useless they truly have lost the plot of the story. What trying to make book Nick look Bad too? Thankfully Margaret Atwood made that impossible.

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That's an interesting observation haha. We used to go deep into Max's social media behaviour to get a sense of his feelings and what could happen.

While it's possible Brad not sharing the renewal news in an indicator that Garth dies this season, we don't see it as too likely. There's too much left to do with Garth to get rid of him so early on. Plus he's the only close in age male character to the main group of female characters. It'd be a poor choice to limit themselves to younger girls and older men when Garth and his peer group have so much world building potential. What's more likely is that Brad is either busy (we have no idea how active he is online or what projects he could be working on) or he's simply unsatisfied with the material he was given and the less than ideal fan reaction to the character. He likely expected a more dynamic supportive rebel character that fans enjoyed than what he ended up getting. We can certainly see why he mentioned in an interview that Garth and Nick aren't all that alike aside from the literal standing they possess in Gilead.

That's yet another uncreative parallel to do. They really need to stop trying to make Garth into Nick. It's just not working. Nick fans don't like it, neutrals don't like it, antis don't like it. They should have left him as his own character (and in the same breath, they should have bloody well respected who Nick was in the books and first five seasons of the show).

We kind of do wonder if they're still trying to tarnish Nick from afar by making the man in the "Nick role" look bad in varying ways. We wouldn't put it past them. We've seen and heard of increased anti-Nick sentiments coming as a result of how Garth is written.

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Can't even compare show Garth to Nick. because Nick operated with Mayday much better than Garth does even though in the show apparantley he never was Mayday. Nick did everything for June he could. Show Garth doesn't give a shit about Daisy.

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Yeah, we agree. They're not particularly comparable characters are all aside from being males involved in the resistance. Nick really was a lot more successful at operating within the confines of Mayday and Gilead, and he was significantly more empathetic when he was unable to help June. Garth just seems like he's flailing around and is stewing in the frustration of being kept constantly in the dark. That may well be down to two things- Nick's limited American education and life in a semi-normal world offering him a leg up and Nick's motivation for getting involved in resisting being based on love and retribution for the suffering compared to Garth's revenge-based focus.

We're not watching enough content to really get a grasp of how much Garth does or does not care about Daisy, but from the little we have seen, he doesn't empathize with her anywhere near enough. This is likely down to his reasoning for being involved with Mayday in the first place. Unlike Nick who got involved in varying forms of resistance out of compassion for the first Waterford handmaid and his inability to stay still any longer, Garth got involved out of a desire for revenge and retribution. It's a subtle detail, but it makes a huge difference in the characters.

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Can't with this Daisy hate for real. On ep 9 she did something to make this operation move. Show!Garth can be like whatever let me get crushed on and marry a child and not be helpful and compassionate to my spy partner at all and walk around being save as a man in a place where he gets all the benefits which is the problem in this story and he is the good one and to be pitied? Are they for real? Why are misogynists watching this show?

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While we don't like the Daisy hate given she's an impulsive teenager manipulated into being June's disposable soldier and is desperate to help how she can using her normal Canadian upbringing, we're not going to lie: the plot of her lying about being sexually assaulted makes us deeply uncomfortable and is a writing choice we do not support. It's hard enough for survivors of rape and abuse to be believed, but when you have shows that portray lying about those things as occurring (even for a good cause) when in reality false accusations are incredibly rare no matter the end game, it contributes to that terrible climate. Even when the character in question is an abusive sack of shit. The real life ramifications of plots like these cannot be ignored.

We're not blaming Daisy (she's a character that does what the writers want her to do), but we really, really, really wish the writers had done something else and figured out another way for her to contribute to the plot. They could have had her attack him and berate him for what he's done to girls (and she doesn't even have to kill him, though we think that would have been less shock value than Becka doing so). They could have had her go behind her friends backs and told the aunts, using her normal upbringing as a way of her being able to avoid the gaslighting techniques some of the aunts utilise. They could have done something very different to what they did and it still could have been amazing and protective.

We've mentioned a few times being irked by how little they're exploring Garth and how much depth he lacks as a character. What are his motivations beyond revenge for his father? What does he know and understand about life in Gilead? What was his upbringing like and how does that contribute to his less than empathetic personality? How exactly is Mayday functioning? By not exploring this he's left in the boring role of "disappointing male character". And if that were the intentions of the writers, that's another bad choice to make.

There have always been misogynists watching this show. The way that fans of Nick have been treated for years, the way that characters like Natalie and Eleanor and Moira (and now Daisy) have been reacted to are indicative of that. Internet feminism is shallow and performative, and it's internet feminists that the show worships above all else.

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TT ep 9. Many seem to like the shock value of show Becka killing her father but I think that was just lazy writing and so typical/common in shows. I'm sure the writers will forget a lot in the next seasons what they did in the first season.

Showing that Maddox is still on the run for a wife could be a foreshadowing to Daisy marrying him. He's desperate for a child bride he probably doesn't care she's touched. Garth is still useless but will probably get Becka out. Look that's another thing which is bothering, like get him married to Daisy let them be a spy couple to tear down Gilead but no he's marrying only one and helps only that one person. No sense. This is a Becka focused season I hope the next season will be more deep of the other characters.

Also if show Garth gets Becka out to Canada while married. Wouldn't he still be a married man in Gilead but with a "lost" wife or he's going to Canada too and "operates" there he's not useful in Gilead anyway as Mayday.

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Yeah, we're not really all that shocked to see people enjoying the shock value of how Daisy exposed Dr Grove (in this current political climate, it's certainly an interesting choice to have a character lying about being assaulted to try and bring down a [known to the audience but not to most other characters] bad man) and Becka killing her serially abusive father to protect Agnes. On the surface, it's satisfying. It's easy to digest and offing an abuser, much like 4x10 with Fred, is very enjoyable. But unlike what happened with Fred, this plot felt like it was rather abrupt. If Daisy had been the one to attack him, it would have felt built up to, much like the plot with Fred was. There were threads throughout the narrative, with her being protective, impulsive, properly educated, and getting her period which (for reasons that don't make much sense) turned her into a purple and put her immediately into his proximity. And it wouldn't have the extremely troubling narrative of her lying about sexual assault. The only real hint towards Becka doing such a thing is her internalized fervour for divine justice, as is the norm for 'sinners' in Gilead.

And sadly we agree. They'll absolutely forget a lot or hand wave away details that mattered previously but now hinder their ability to write the plots they want right at that very moment. They did that all the time on tht, tt will be no different.

We're not entirely sure who Maddox is (as we are only watching clips, it's easy to forget names) but it's possible. The show likes foreshadowing, but it likes misdirection as well. It's hard to say.

We agree- we certainly long for some sort of fake!married rebel plot. Alas the idea is too cool for the fools writing these shows.

In all honesty, it seems more likely that Becka will be rescued by women, whether it is the aunts or June making orders. Garth may well be a contributing factor, but he certainly won't be the main one.

Yeah, ideally they'd spread some of the attention around on the other characters in the second season. Shu is particularly neglected, and as we've stated before, Garth could use some more attention as well. Then there's Lydia and the aunts that need more content as well, and some of the other girls could use more attention and depth.

It's difficult to say how Gilead would treat a man with a wife that has deserted him for Canada. It's different to being a widow. It's possible he'd be allowed to remarry, but it's also a bad look for him that might force him to flee as well, thus putting him closer to his book plot.