worlds largest local group threatens to consume all of europe

generally speaking the title refers to in a familal sense | funny ocean rp group. for more funnies check out @northskydistrict (co-owned with my partner @whisperingzeltus) and @oceanic-recollection

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Greetings!

<BVQT> We are the North-West South-East Under-Sea-Level group comprised of myself, Dew, Feathers, Winters, Upsilon, Bobbin, Goldy, Tablets and Gamma - who will not be joining us in global communications but is still an important and respected member of our group.

<BVQT> Our group was created to ensure we could repair ourselves and our neighbors and cousins until we are too buried to continue. On account of this we are able to move freely, and have given ourselves many upgrades to allow us to go long distances so we may support people more. If you require any assistance with puppet, can or otherwise, do not hesitate to message us, we would be happy to assist!

<TSF> we also have a shared postbox @oceanic-recollection that you can go send some questions to if you want! there's a few other guys who share our ip, though, so don't get surprised if they snatch your questions for us.

<BVQT> Ah yes- Thank you, Feathers;;

[OOC: more notes under the cut!]

mod intro :]

hello!!! hello hi!!!! im klug;] you may know me from @klugpuuo or @threedeliciousflavors !! i also mod on @northskydistrict, the district that neighbors this one!!! check it out...

i am an epic rw lover, and i have been since... 2019 ? ???? or a bit earlier. yeah!!!

some random info

the group hierarchy is this:

dew is head admin

gamma is group senior

quiet is co-head admin

feathers can override admin commands for medical reasons

literally everyone else is here

yeah!!

link section!

here's a link to everyone's discoverist nicknames, which sometimes are used in place of their acronyms!

here's a link to my rw folder on TH, which has some information

aaaand here's a tag directory yayyyyy

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

[eternally-anomalous]

Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

[eternally-anomalous]

right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

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The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

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what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

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..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

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Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

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So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

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Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

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Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[eternally-anomalous]

why would i want to learn more. he decided to come up to me and yell at me for no good reason.

not exactly something that makes me inclined to want to get to know him better

at least when i bother people about their regions its because theyre doing something that effects all of us

...

if i didnt care for sunrise he would leave me, or worse, get hurt. i dont want either of those things to happen

but youre welcome, i suppose

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> That is indeed how it seems.

<BVQT> I believe he feels that what you were doing may have effected him somehow or potentially would effect him in the future. Therefore you two are similar in that aspect at least.

<BVQT> ...I see.

<BVQT> I was wrong about you.

<BVQT> You are more similar to us than any of us know.

[eternally-anomalous]

how would that effect him. its not like id go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups or whatever he thinks id do

thatd be a waste of time, for one

...how so?

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> Well. I do not think he knows you would not go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups. Considering we are all deeply aware of the fact that Sunrise most likely will be inviting you over here himself.

<BVQT> Our regions are. all one area. We are all very close to each other.

<BVQT> Well for one. Forgive me if this is a bit forward but. I see part of myself in you.

<BVQT> We have similar symptoms of a very specific condition. I only know one other person that has it. And I just find it sort of funny that you exhibit parts of it.

[eternally-anomalous]

..sunrise likes those slugpups. I wouldn't kill them, even if im in the area

I knew you were close, but that seems... Excessive. Isn't that dangerous?

...

A condition

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> That is one good thing. But again Winter does not know you and has no way of knowing this directly.

<BVQT> erm

<BVQT> We manage. With the closeness.

<BVQT> Was that offensive? My apologies if so. I am just a tad overexcited.;;

[eternally-anomalous]

surely it's common sense that I wouldn't do anything that would hurt my boyfriend, emotionally as well as physically

...if you say so

what kind of condition..?

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> Of course! But he knows nothing about you outside of your more violently tendencies. So I believe he was not at the time aware of the fact that you had the ability to be... kind. To Sunrise specifically.

<BVQT> Ah. Well.

<BVQT> I will admit it is a trauma disorder. I do not know your history so I am not sure if you could have even acquired it but.

<BVQT> It is narcissistic personality disorder. Are you aware of it?

[eternally-anomalous]

...just because I can be violent doesn't mean I'd do things I know would hurt my boyfriend. That should be obvious

ive.. heard of it. Don't know much about it though

-eternal anomaly

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<BVQT> That fact is known. But you already know all he knew of you was that you were a violent and usually cruel person. You made no attempt to get to know him beforehand regardless, and his worries surrounding you caused him to do the same.

<BVQT> I see...

[eternally-anomalous]

[LIVE BROADCAST]

PRIVATE - A Golden Rock within a Pebble; [APIS]; No Reluctant Epiphany.

<GRP> ......

<GRP> .........:}

<APIS> ...

<APIS> ...Uh.

<APIS> Hey, there, Goldy's best friend guy???

NRE: Hi!

NRE: im NRE, as you can see from the username

NRE: its very nice to meet you!

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<APIS> Yeah, likewise.

<APIS> I'm Tabby. Or Tablets. Either one's fine.

<APIS> So, uh...

<APIS> ...Goldy says you're interested in scavengers, right?

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NRE: once again, very nice to meet you Tabby

NRE: that's right! Their budding civilization is so fascinating, and they're just cool in general

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<APIS> Eheh

<APIS> Exactly! Their sort of cousins, the nauts, from our regions, are exactly the same and man, are they cool..

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NRE: ive heard a little bit about them

NRE: aquatic scavengers.. what an interesting idea. mine can barely swim!

NRE: id love to meet the nauts someday!

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<APIS> Your scavs can't swim???

<APIS> The nauts are, like, so cool... They're adorable, and super soft, for one. Not to mention our puppets' lungs were based off of theirs, so, like, we're cousins, too!

<APIS> Their appreciation for pearls stems from them initially being made to help, you know, sort them. Though, I did hear about some scavs being from different sources, and just sort of, fuse-evolving into each other?

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NRE: nope! They aren't built for it, the best they can do is splash awkwardly through water

NRE: soft.. that's really cool. My scavs are more bristly

NRE: oh that's interesting

NRE: didn't know about that, there wasn't much demand for pearl sorting in my regions, so they just kind of showed up oneday

NRE: I've heard of convergent evolution but I'm not sure if that's the right phrase

NRE: i know what you're talking about though!

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<APIS> 'Splashing awkwardly' is basically the opposite of what our nauts do. They're majestic as fuck

<APIS> Our guys also have some bristles, but it's moooostly fluff. They got spikes and bristles that they shake to communicate, and stuff! Pretty cool.

<APIS> Migrants... Nice!

<APIS> You get me!! Like, what our architects did, sort of. Common ancestor -> split -> compatible-enough DNA allows for merging -> it's just one species again type beat!

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NRE: with a name like nauts, they better be able to swim! Are they awkward on land?

NRE: does the fur help with swimming in some way? I know my scavs are mostly bristly as a way to keep predators from grabbing them. It's not fun to be poked in the mouth by a bunch of sharp spikes after all

NRE: yeah exactly! It seems we get each other

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<APIS> Well, they're a lot more awkward than we are, that's for sure! To be fair, though, we've had hundreds of thousands of cycles to practise walking, and they're better swimmers than all of us combined...

<APIS> Sort of! It helps protect them against the cold from the waters - and the wind, jeez...

<APIS> It's waterproof, so it doesn't drag them down, either.

<APIS> Hell yeah!

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NRE: it makes sense, you can't be good at both land and water. At least I'm pretty sure you can't

NRE: that makes sense! I wouldn't want to be out in the sea without any protection from the cold and wind. And pollution but I don't think you have that problem in your regions

NRE: wouldn't want to sink because my fur is heavy either

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<APIS> Well like. You CAN. just you need a lot of training and stuff...

<APIS> Yeahyeah! We, uh, like, do, sorta have a pollution issue here, but that's mostly inland, and THANKFULLY the oceans are decently clean!

<APIS> Yeag....

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i suppose so.. I meant it more as a general rule with species though, as most aren't going to do all that training to swim/walk well

NRE: it's the opposite here! .or well was the opposite here. There's a big deadzone due to all the deathloop in the middle of our group now.. still, where that isn't it's relatively clean

NRE: I've always wondered, what does water feel like when it's not just drumming on your walls or flowing through you?

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<APIS> True! Us, and, like, the ancients, are some of the only guys who really learned how to swim...

<APIS> Deadzones are awful, especially when not naturally caused...

<APIS> ...Should I be worried about this deathloop thing, though?

<APIS> Well, it's kinda wet. pfff

<APIS> It's nice, in my opinion! I sorta hate the cold, but I gotta admit, cool, clean water when you're sweltering is pretty good.

<APIS> Warm water is nice to bathe in, not to mention. It can be pretty cozy... Also being clean is nice.

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NRE: most land dwelling creatures wouldn't see any benefit in it id think, and if they do they end up evolving to become sea dwelling anyway

NRE: yeah.. I dont think you have to be worried it about it, no, it doesn't seem to be spreading

NRE: that does sound nice..

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<APIS> I gotta concur with that observation! This phrasing sucks, so bear with me, but not as many creatures were as... resourceful as the architects, I guess? So they don't really need to go in the water, like, ever

<APIS> It not spreading is, uh, really good!!! I'd rather not have my girlfriend's best buddy - and Sunrise's fiancee - to implode terribly. Not to mention, I've grown kinda fond of you, myself. Lol

<APIS> Maybe Goldy can splash you with water when he visits?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah i get what youre trying to say

NRE: maybe a better word would be something like.. hm. adventurous? curious?

NRE: good to hear you dont want me to implode! i dont want the rest of my group to die either.. EA might be fine for a while considering the wall, but skywriter wouldnt be

NRE: you have? thats great! ..would you want to maybe be friends?

NRE: that could work

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<APIS> Curious! That's a great one. Definitely a way better alternative.

<APIS> Uh. Don't tell me EA's the only one with a retaining wall??

<APIS> ...Skywriter?

<APIS> Oh! Sure, I'd love to be friends! Any friend of my girlfriend is a friend of mine o(^▽^)o

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NRE: yay! I'm good at coming up with adjectives

NRE: yeah, is that not normal? I mean I have a little bit of one and so does..the fifth member of our group, but it doesn't keep anything out

NRE: I'm pretty sure the only reason EA really has one is to keep the sea from possibly sneaking in and drowning maim, which wouldnt be very good

NRE: glories didn't have one at all, and he was built around the same time so it's not just a time thing

NRE: skywriter is our real group seniors nickname

NRE: that's great! I'll admit I was a little bit nervous about talking to you, but you're just as awesome as Goldy said

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<APIS> You sure are, bud.

<APIS> ...That's, uh. Like, not a huge deal, but.. not, super normal, no

<APIS> Retaining walls were important for... reasons. It's cool you don't have any. Though not so cool that you might be at risk because of it..

<APIS> I've heard of this "Glories" guy. He's a rough piece of work, from what I've heard.. I'm sorry he's in your group, of all places.

<APIS> Oh, that's a cute nickname! Do they have a full title, or, like, do they just, totally hate it?

<APIS> Awwww,

<APIS> Thank youuuu (´▽`ʃ♡ƪ) !!

<APIS> Same to you! Hehe

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NRE: its not? huh, i just thought that the higher walls were just a sort of.. preferance thing

NRE: why are they important? i do have some theyre just very small

NRE: yeah.. well, at least hes dead now. i think

NRE: sea does have a full title, but prefers to be called skywriter

NRE: of course! its the truth

NRE: thank you!

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<APIS> ...Not really.

<APIS> The retaining walls were from what I remember, sorta, equally meant to keep things in or out, as well as mark the boarders of your regions better.

<APIS> Mostly just political stuff...

<APIS> Dead... is good! I think?

<APIS> We don't really die that easily, though, so, uh,

<APIS> pardon if this is inapprorpiate but

<APIS> ◉_◉

<APIS> Ya whelk!!! hehe

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NRE: ah, I see

NRE: we were all built by the same group of ancients, so I suppose they didn't see the point. Or maybe they just wanted to cut costs, who knows

NRE: yeah.. it's probably for the best. I'm pretty sure he's completely dead, he's collapsed and there's no rarefaction cells, puppet or any sort of activity anymore

NRE: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, to tell the truth

NRE: :)

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<APIS> That tracks. A lot of ancients were really concerned about "costs", huh...

<APIS> Completely dead..

<APIS> I just mean, like, that's freaky! Kinda scary, to be honest. To know we can really die like that.

<APIS> Well, uh, that you guys can die like that. We're.. different, I guess.

<APIS> I can only imagine the power needed to do that...

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NRE: yeah.. iterators cost a lot so i guess i can imagine why they would want to cut costs..

NRE: you cant die like that? even with your rarefaction cells removed and your can collapsed and your puppet destroyed?

NRE: well, apparently its not actually that hard once youre inside someone.. you just have to take out the cells and everything falls down on its own

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<APIS> Yeah...

<APIS> ...Uh. Yes? You can't die like that, either, dude.

<APIS> Even our puppets aren't, like, necessary for our continued existence as being 'alive'. Even with our cans collapsed and rarefaction cells stolen, we still have warmth and life. We're all essentially cursed to stay alive until we literally crumble into dust.

<APIS> And I mean, like, literally literally.

<APIS> I mean, makes sense, but if this Glories is like, for real dead, then something else must've happened to him, right?

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NRE: yeah, well you arent alive in the ways that matter in that state. you cant think or perceive anything. the ancients counted it as death when the brain died, even if the heart was still beating

NRE: why should it be different for us?

NRE: i dont know. i havent actually checked everywhere for the last little microbes that could be left

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<APIS> ........Riiight.

<APIS> I mean, it wasn't, like, your job, to make sure he wasn't dead, right? So, I'm not gonna fault you. Still... Spooky.

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NRE: no, checking for death is supposed to be the group seniors job if anyones

NRE: and seeing as all we have currently is an imposter pretending like he could possibly ever take the place of our real group senior

NRE: i doubt anyone has completely

NRE: ..i have been getting messages from someone pretending to be be him for some reason..

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<APIS> Oh, jeez, that sounds complicated at best...

<APIS> I hope stuff gets smoothed out, at least, eventually.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Uh, lemme just, break down the Glories situation here,

<APIS> So, dude who should be dead, right?

<APIS> No signs of life, like, at all,

<APIS> But all that happened was he collapsed and his puppet was stabbed a little. So, theoretically, he should be at least slightly, obviously alive and dying.

<APIS> And now, someone pretending to be him, who has nothing to gain from this little ruse, is messaging you...?

<APIS> ...Buddy....

<APIS> I don't think he's as dead as everyone's hoping he is.

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NRE: I hope so too.. unfortunately I don't think it will until our real seniors comms are restored

NRE: well, his puppet was completely destroyed. but yes

NRE: ..but that would mean he's either using someone else's comms systems, which he can't do with no rarefaction cells or. Has somehow taken over someone else's can?

NRE: no, that's impossible.. there has to be a better explanation

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<APIS> Well, hopefully we can work on that. Eventually.

<APIS> ...I really, really hope there is. I don't have one though.

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NRE: i hope so too

NRE: I heard someone about him making something to force people to do what he said.. but not completely control them. Void. I really hope there's another explanation

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<APIS> Force... like, not admin, right?

<APIS> I've only got the most basic of information on our systems... Just the stuff, like, required to make sure I can stop my neighbors from imploding. But I still can't see any other way.

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NRE: not quite admin, at least I'm pretty sure. A little different

NRE: maybe someone who knows more will be able to tell us that that's impossible. I really hope there's someone that can tell me that's impossible

NRE: if he is alive I don't know what I'll do

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<APIS> I can check our database, or... something.

<APIS> ...Hey, you, uh, wanna change the subject? Or just get your feelings out first?

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NRE: please do

NRE: ..i think I'd like to change the subject. What would you like to talk about?

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<APIS> Will do, then.

<APIS> Right..

<APIS> ...So, how's the climate over there?

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NRE: thank you

NRE: the climate..

NRE: it's pretty humid and warm around here. Lots of plant growth even in the industrial areas. I think there used to be a swamp or something around here pre iterators

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<APIS> Oooooh, nice!

<APIS> You know, our regions are kinda similar. They're not as hot anymore, but there's still a hell of a lot of water everywhere. Considering we're below sea level it makes sense I guess.

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NRE: thats cool! howd you manage to reduce the heat? or did it just happen

NRE: why didnt your architects build up the land? or build things to keep out the water? or both? i wouldnt want to build an iterator under water.. especially because it destabilizes the supports

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<APIS> Well. As it turns out, working produces a LOT of heat. So, not working... produces less. Crazy stuff.

<APIS> I'm serious, though. Just not working on the great problem helped neutralize the place a bit more. It's nowhere near as cold as it used to be, but... it's a start.

<APIS> Our ancients did drain a lot of the swampland, and set up our tunnels to put any water flooding us directly into our processing. Not to mention all the dykes they built.

<APIS> ...We do have a member almost underwater through. He's fine, but that was really not good planning on the ancient's part.

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NRE: hm, really? That's interesting. Probably reduces rain a little too, though that still wouldn't really help the ecosystem here

NRE: from reading pearls, I'm pretty sure that droughts used to be a pretty important part of the ecosystem here, and now that just cant happen

NRE: ah ok, so they tried, they just didn't quite succeed all the way

NRE: that happened after he was finished, I'm assuming. In my experience, at least, being flooded generally gets iterator projects cancelled

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<APIS> Void, I know what you mean.

<APIS> I have no idea how to help with, your regions specifically... but, if there's anything I can do, I offer my hand in helping.

<APIS> Y eah.

<APIS> I mean tbf there were a LOT. of protests against him being made. apparently. or so ive heard. But he was like, half commissioned by this one guy and their family, and his proposed admin was, like, super popular, and, like, they were trying out "pre-made pairs" and stuff, so, like,

<APIS> ...To be honest, I wouldn't be able to see a good future for our group without him. so i'm glad he's here.

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NRE: I have no idea what you could do either

NRE: EA is our local ecosystem expert, but he seems to consider it worse than a waste of time to try and restore his regions to their pre revolution ecosystem

NRE: huh. I wouldn't think there'd be protests, though I suppose if people would be made to live on him?

NRE: pre-made pairs?

NRE: I'm glad he's there for you too! Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you guys after all

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Gweh.

<APIS> ...I guess I can see where blood's coming from, but, like,

<APIS> In order to maintain the species here, we gotta make sure they have an environment to actually, y'know, live in.

<APIS> I don't really get it, either. The only outskirters that had anyone living on them are me and Upsilon. I guess it probably had something to do with the fact that our regions were, literally sinking.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Yeah. Our architects tried making us in pairs, to see if we could get along better if we were all around the same age as each other. I guess it kind of worked? i really doubt they wanted us to start dating though. （＞人＜；）

<APIS> that line of thinking probably didn't make anything better later also.

<APIS> Hah, yeah. I can definitely say that the majority of us knowing how to cook really really well is better than just hoping to figure it out ourselves from the ground up.

<APIS> I'm not sure we would've survived without any surviving knowledge on how to spice stuff.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: EA believes that creatures should be left to figure out how to survive or go extinct themselves. unless they have "hidden modifications" in their DNA, I guess

NRE: hm. then why protest? at the worst the iterator would die with no loss to the common citizen

NRE: ah I think I see it. they thought he would cause the ground to sink too much and cause damage to the rest of you

NRE: our group had something similar, only instead of making us in age pairs we were work pairs

NRE: me and.. our fake senior and EA and glories

NRE: one to focus on the more real world aspects of things and the other to work on the spiritual and theoretical bits

NRE: that didnt work out very well in the long run, thats for sure

NRE: what an interesting similarity! maybe our designers were in contact with one another

NRE: so he taught you all to cook? thats nice, I know if I could eat I wouldnt want to eat flavorless food

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ...wow okay. Big weirdo behavior.

<APIS> Probably because he was meant to be built at the very edge of the shore like the rest of us outskirters but the fact he might sink in made people believe that A. the wind would come inland and destroy everyting and B. his weight would help sink the rest of the land . So, not only would the wind fuck everything up, but the already droning country would fall into itself. So.

<APIS> Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for disaster...

<APIS> Maybe they were, actually. I know Emblems was a bit... uh, worldly, is the word? He was more or less the main designer for most of us, most of the time.

<APIS> Well, we kinda knew how to cook, and I'm pretty sure Feathers got a LOT of recipes from his admin, but... he taught us how to cook, without burning everything, by ourselves.

<APIS> And Quiet made sure we didn't eat anything poisonous... props to em.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: well, it is kind of hard to study evolution if you don't let anything die, I guess

NRE: sounds like someone didn't want winter to be built for some other reason and decided to get the public up in arms about something else

NRE: from my knowledge, most people don't jump to the whole countries going to sink immediately, after all

NRE: sometimes I wonder if things would have turned out better in my group if they had just not done that

NRE: worldly... Sophisticated and well traveled, wise? I can see it working there

NRE: ah that's good! I can imagine that burned things aren't so great, so learning to avoid them is definitely important

NRE: that's a concern? I'll definitely have to thank quiet for not letting you die from poison

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well I mean yeah but also. Weirdo. A little bit.

<APIS> Honestly? Probably, yeah. But it's been so long and nobody really cares about it, so I doubt we'll ever find out why. I mean, it's funny how easily people will protect literally anything iterator-related, but it's not something we really like researching, y'know?

<APIS> They probably would've. Being forced into that kind of thing really sucks.

<APIS> Yeah, that's Emblems. He knows, like, basically everything. About iterators, I mean. But it's Amber who actually knows about, like, culture. Out of the two head leads, I mean. Ivy probably knows more than those two put together...

<APIS> Yep. Though Sunrise never got the hang of cooking, literally everything... poor guy lol

<APIS> We wouldn't have, like, DIED, from poison. Just been lethargic and prone to getting sick all the time. Since our gut flora would be, like, way too busy breaking down the poison, to actually make sure we got any nutrients.

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

[eternally-anomalous]

Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

[eternally-anomalous]

right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

[eternally-anomalous]

what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[eternally-anomalous]

why would i want to learn more. he decided to come up to me and yell at me for no good reason.

not exactly something that makes me inclined to want to get to know him better

at least when i bother people about their regions its because theyre doing something that effects all of us

...

if i didnt care for sunrise he would leave me, or worse, get hurt. i dont want either of those things to happen

but youre welcome, i suppose

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is indeed how it seems.

<BVQT> I believe he feels that what you were doing may have effected him somehow or potentially would effect him in the future. Therefore you two are similar in that aspect at least.

<BVQT> ...I see.

<BVQT> I was wrong about you.

<BVQT> You are more similar to us than any of us know.

[eternally-anomalous]

how would that effect him. its not like id go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups or whatever he thinks id do

thatd be a waste of time, for one

...how so?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Well. I do not think he knows you would not go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups. Considering we are all deeply aware of the fact that Sunrise most likely will be inviting you over here himself.

<BVQT> Our regions are. all one area. We are all very close to each other.

<BVQT> Well for one. Forgive me if this is a bit forward but. I see part of myself in you.

<BVQT> We have similar symptoms of a very specific condition. I only know one other person that has it. And I just find it sort of funny that you exhibit parts of it.

[eternally-anomalous]

..sunrise likes those slugpups. I wouldn't kill them, even if im in the area

I knew you were close, but that seems... Excessive. Isn't that dangerous?

...

A condition

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is one good thing. But again Winter does not know you and has no way of knowing this directly.

<BVQT> erm

<BVQT> We manage. With the closeness.

<BVQT> Was that offensive? My apologies if so. I am just a tad overexcited.;;

[eternally-anomalous]

surely it's common sense that I wouldn't do anything that would hurt my boyfriend, emotionally as well as physically

...if you say so

what kind of condition..?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course! But he knows nothing about you outside of your more violently tendencies. So I believe he was not at the time aware of the fact that you had the ability to be... kind. To Sunrise specifically.

<BVQT> Ah. Well.

<BVQT> I will admit it is a trauma disorder. I do not know your history so I am not sure if you could have even acquired it but.

<BVQT> It is narcissistic personality disorder. Are you aware of it?

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

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Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

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right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

[eternally-anomalous]

what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[eternally-anomalous]

why would i want to learn more. he decided to come up to me and yell at me for no good reason.

not exactly something that makes me inclined to want to get to know him better

at least when i bother people about their regions its because theyre doing something that effects all of us

...

if i didnt care for sunrise he would leave me, or worse, get hurt. i dont want either of those things to happen

but youre welcome, i suppose

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is indeed how it seems.

<BVQT> I believe he feels that what you were doing may have effected him somehow or potentially would effect him in the future. Therefore you two are similar in that aspect at least.

<BVQT> ...I see.

<BVQT> I was wrong about you.

<BVQT> You are more similar to us than any of us know.

[eternally-anomalous]

how would that effect him. its not like id go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups or whatever he thinks id do

thatd be a waste of time, for one

...how so?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Well. I do not think he knows you would not go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups. Considering we are all deeply aware of the fact that Sunrise most likely will be inviting you over here himself.

<BVQT> Our regions are. all one area. We are all very close to each other.

<BVQT> Well for one. Forgive me if this is a bit forward but. I see part of myself in you.

<BVQT> We have similar symptoms of a very specific condition. I only know one other person that has it. And I just find it sort of funny that you exhibit parts of it.

[eternally-anomalous]

..sunrise likes those slugpups. I wouldn't kill them, even if im in the area

I knew you were close, but that seems... Excessive. Isn't that dangerous?

...

A condition

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is one good thing. But again Winter does not know you and has no way of knowing this directly.

<BVQT> erm

<BVQT> We manage. With the closeness.

<BVQT> Was that offensive? My apologies if so. I am just a tad overexcited.;;

[eternally-anomalous]

[LIVE BROADCAST]

PRIVATE - A Golden Rock within a Pebble; [APIS]; No Reluctant Epiphany.

<GRP> ......

<GRP> .........:}

<APIS> ...

<APIS> ...Uh.

<APIS> Hey, there, Goldy's best friend guy???

NRE: Hi!

NRE: im NRE, as you can see from the username

NRE: its very nice to meet you!

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<APIS> Yeah, likewise.

<APIS> I'm Tabby. Or Tablets. Either one's fine.

<APIS> So, uh...

<APIS> ...Goldy says you're interested in scavengers, right?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: once again, very nice to meet you Tabby

NRE: that's right! Their budding civilization is so fascinating, and they're just cool in general

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<APIS> Eheh

<APIS> Exactly! Their sort of cousins, the nauts, from our regions, are exactly the same and man, are they cool..

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ive heard a little bit about them

NRE: aquatic scavengers.. what an interesting idea. mine can barely swim!

NRE: id love to meet the nauts someday!

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<APIS> Your scavs can't swim???

<APIS> The nauts are, like, so cool... They're adorable, and super soft, for one. Not to mention our puppets' lungs were based off of theirs, so, like, we're cousins, too!

<APIS> Their appreciation for pearls stems from them initially being made to help, you know, sort them. Though, I did hear about some scavs being from different sources, and just sort of, fuse-evolving into each other?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: nope! They aren't built for it, the best they can do is splash awkwardly through water

NRE: soft.. that's really cool. My scavs are more bristly

NRE: oh that's interesting

NRE: didn't know about that, there wasn't much demand for pearl sorting in my regions, so they just kind of showed up oneday

NRE: I've heard of convergent evolution but I'm not sure if that's the right phrase

NRE: i know what you're talking about though!

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<APIS> 'Splashing awkwardly' is basically the opposite of what our nauts do. They're majestic as fuck

<APIS> Our guys also have some bristles, but it's moooostly fluff. They got spikes and bristles that they shake to communicate, and stuff! Pretty cool.

<APIS> Migrants... Nice!

<APIS> You get me!! Like, what our architects did, sort of. Common ancestor -> split -> compatible-enough DNA allows for merging -> it's just one species again type beat!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: with a name like nauts, they better be able to swim! Are they awkward on land?

NRE: does the fur help with swimming in some way? I know my scavs are mostly bristly as a way to keep predators from grabbing them. It's not fun to be poked in the mouth by a bunch of sharp spikes after all

NRE: yeah exactly! It seems we get each other

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<APIS> Well, they're a lot more awkward than we are, that's for sure! To be fair, though, we've had hundreds of thousands of cycles to practise walking, and they're better swimmers than all of us combined...

<APIS> Sort of! It helps protect them against the cold from the waters - and the wind, jeez...

<APIS> It's waterproof, so it doesn't drag them down, either.

<APIS> Hell yeah!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: it makes sense, you can't be good at both land and water. At least I'm pretty sure you can't

NRE: that makes sense! I wouldn't want to be out in the sea without any protection from the cold and wind. And pollution but I don't think you have that problem in your regions

NRE: wouldn't want to sink because my fur is heavy either

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<APIS> Well like. You CAN. just you need a lot of training and stuff...

<APIS> Yeahyeah! We, uh, like, do, sorta have a pollution issue here, but that's mostly inland, and THANKFULLY the oceans are decently clean!

<APIS> Yeag....

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i suppose so.. I meant it more as a general rule with species though, as most aren't going to do all that training to swim/walk well

NRE: it's the opposite here! .or well was the opposite here. There's a big deadzone due to all the deathloop in the middle of our group now.. still, where that isn't it's relatively clean

NRE: I've always wondered, what does water feel like when it's not just drumming on your walls or flowing through you?

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<APIS> True! Us, and, like, the ancients, are some of the only guys who really learned how to swim...

<APIS> Deadzones are awful, especially when not naturally caused...

<APIS> ...Should I be worried about this deathloop thing, though?

<APIS> Well, it's kinda wet. pfff

<APIS> It's nice, in my opinion! I sorta hate the cold, but I gotta admit, cool, clean water when you're sweltering is pretty good.

<APIS> Warm water is nice to bathe in, not to mention. It can be pretty cozy... Also being clean is nice.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: most land dwelling creatures wouldn't see any benefit in it id think, and if they do they end up evolving to become sea dwelling anyway

NRE: yeah.. I dont think you have to be worried it about it, no, it doesn't seem to be spreading

NRE: that does sound nice..

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<APIS> I gotta concur with that observation! This phrasing sucks, so bear with me, but not as many creatures were as... resourceful as the architects, I guess? So they don't really need to go in the water, like, ever

<APIS> It not spreading is, uh, really good!!! I'd rather not have my girlfriend's best buddy - and Sunrise's fiancee - to implode terribly. Not to mention, I've grown kinda fond of you, myself. Lol

<APIS> Maybe Goldy can splash you with water when he visits?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah i get what youre trying to say

NRE: maybe a better word would be something like.. hm. adventurous? curious?

NRE: good to hear you dont want me to implode! i dont want the rest of my group to die either.. EA might be fine for a while considering the wall, but skywriter wouldnt be

NRE: you have? thats great! ..would you want to maybe be friends?

NRE: that could work

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Curious! That's a great one. Definitely a way better alternative.

<APIS> Uh. Don't tell me EA's the only one with a retaining wall??

<APIS> ...Skywriter?

<APIS> Oh! Sure, I'd love to be friends! Any friend of my girlfriend is a friend of mine o(^▽^)o

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yay! I'm good at coming up with adjectives

NRE: yeah, is that not normal? I mean I have a little bit of one and so does..the fifth member of our group, but it doesn't keep anything out

NRE: I'm pretty sure the only reason EA really has one is to keep the sea from possibly sneaking in and drowning maim, which wouldnt be very good

NRE: glories didn't have one at all, and he was built around the same time so it's not just a time thing

NRE: skywriter is our real group seniors nickname

NRE: that's great! I'll admit I was a little bit nervous about talking to you, but you're just as awesome as Goldy said

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> You sure are, bud.

<APIS> ...That's, uh. Like, not a huge deal, but.. not, super normal, no

<APIS> Retaining walls were important for... reasons. It's cool you don't have any. Though not so cool that you might be at risk because of it..

<APIS> I've heard of this "Glories" guy. He's a rough piece of work, from what I've heard.. I'm sorry he's in your group, of all places.

<APIS> Oh, that's a cute nickname! Do they have a full title, or, like, do they just, totally hate it?

<APIS> Awwww,

<APIS> Thank youuuu (´▽`ʃ♡ƪ) !!

<APIS> Same to you! Hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: its not? huh, i just thought that the higher walls were just a sort of.. preferance thing

NRE: why are they important? i do have some theyre just very small

NRE: yeah.. well, at least hes dead now. i think

NRE: sea does have a full title, but prefers to be called skywriter

NRE: of course! its the truth

NRE: thank you!

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ...Not really.

<APIS> The retaining walls were from what I remember, sorta, equally meant to keep things in or out, as well as mark the boarders of your regions better.

<APIS> Mostly just political stuff...

<APIS> Dead... is good! I think?

<APIS> We don't really die that easily, though, so, uh,

<APIS> pardon if this is inapprorpiate but

<APIS> ◉_◉

<APIS> Ya whelk!!! hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ah, I see

NRE: we were all built by the same group of ancients, so I suppose they didn't see the point. Or maybe they just wanted to cut costs, who knows

NRE: yeah.. it's probably for the best. I'm pretty sure he's completely dead, he's collapsed and there's no rarefaction cells, puppet or any sort of activity anymore

NRE: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, to tell the truth

NRE: :)

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> That tracks. A lot of ancients were really concerned about "costs", huh...

<APIS> Completely dead..

<APIS> I just mean, like, that's freaky! Kinda scary, to be honest. To know we can really die like that.

<APIS> Well, uh, that you guys can die like that. We're.. different, I guess.

<APIS> I can only imagine the power needed to do that...

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah.. iterators cost a lot so i guess i can imagine why they would want to cut costs..

NRE: you cant die like that? even with your rarefaction cells removed and your can collapsed and your puppet destroyed?

NRE: well, apparently its not actually that hard once youre inside someone.. you just have to take out the cells and everything falls down on its own

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Yeah...

<APIS> ...Uh. Yes? You can't die like that, either, dude.

<APIS> Even our puppets aren't, like, necessary for our continued existence as being 'alive'. Even with our cans collapsed and rarefaction cells stolen, we still have warmth and life. We're all essentially cursed to stay alive until we literally crumble into dust.

<APIS> And I mean, like, literally literally.

<APIS> I mean, makes sense, but if this Glories is like, for real dead, then something else must've happened to him, right?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah, well you arent alive in the ways that matter in that state. you cant think or perceive anything. the ancients counted it as death when the brain died, even if the heart was still beating

NRE: why should it be different for us?

NRE: i dont know. i havent actually checked everywhere for the last little microbes that could be left

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ........Riiight.

<APIS> I mean, it wasn't, like, your job, to make sure he wasn't dead, right? So, I'm not gonna fault you. Still... Spooky.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: no, checking for death is supposed to be the group seniors job if anyones

NRE: and seeing as all we have currently is an imposter pretending like he could possibly ever take the place of our real group senior

NRE: i doubt anyone has completely

NRE: ..i have been getting messages from someone pretending to be be him for some reason..

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oh, jeez, that sounds complicated at best...

<APIS> I hope stuff gets smoothed out, at least, eventually.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Uh, lemme just, break down the Glories situation here,

<APIS> So, dude who should be dead, right?

<APIS> No signs of life, like, at all,

<APIS> But all that happened was he collapsed and his puppet was stabbed a little. So, theoretically, he should be at least slightly, obviously alive and dying.

<APIS> And now, someone pretending to be him, who has nothing to gain from this little ruse, is messaging you...?

<APIS> ...Buddy....

<APIS> I don't think he's as dead as everyone's hoping he is.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: I hope so too.. unfortunately I don't think it will until our real seniors comms are restored

NRE: well, his puppet was completely destroyed. but yes

NRE: ..but that would mean he's either using someone else's comms systems, which he can't do with no rarefaction cells or. Has somehow taken over someone else's can?

NRE: no, that's impossible.. there has to be a better explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, hopefully we can work on that. Eventually.

<APIS> ...I really, really hope there is. I don't have one though.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i hope so too

NRE: I heard someone about him making something to force people to do what he said.. but not completely control them. Void. I really hope there's another explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Force... like, not admin, right?

<APIS> I've only got the most basic of information on our systems... Just the stuff, like, required to make sure I can stop my neighbors from imploding. But I still can't see any other way.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: not quite admin, at least I'm pretty sure. A little different

NRE: maybe someone who knows more will be able to tell us that that's impossible. I really hope there's someone that can tell me that's impossible

NRE: if he is alive I don't know what I'll do

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> I can check our database, or... something.

<APIS> ...Hey, you, uh, wanna change the subject? Or just get your feelings out first?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: please do

NRE: ..i think I'd like to change the subject. What would you like to talk about?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Will do, then.

<APIS> Right..

<APIS> ...So, how's the climate over there?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thank you

NRE: the climate..

NRE: it's pretty humid and warm around here. Lots of plant growth even in the industrial areas. I think there used to be a swamp or something around here pre iterators

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oooooh, nice!

<APIS> You know, our regions are kinda similar. They're not as hot anymore, but there's still a hell of a lot of water everywhere. Considering we're below sea level it makes sense I guess.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thats cool! howd you manage to reduce the heat? or did it just happen

NRE: why didnt your architects build up the land? or build things to keep out the water? or both? i wouldnt want to build an iterator under water.. especially because it destabilizes the supports

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well. As it turns out, working produces a LOT of heat. So, not working... produces less. Crazy stuff.

<APIS> I'm serious, though. Just not working on the great problem helped neutralize the place a bit more. It's nowhere near as cold as it used to be, but... it's a start.

<APIS> Our ancients did drain a lot of the swampland, and set up our tunnels to put any water flooding us directly into our processing. Not to mention all the dykes they built.

<APIS> ...We do have a member almost underwater through. He's fine, but that was really not good planning on the ancient's part.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: hm, really? That's interesting. Probably reduces rain a little too, though that still wouldn't really help the ecosystem here

NRE: from reading pearls, I'm pretty sure that droughts used to be a pretty important part of the ecosystem here, and now that just cant happen

NRE: ah ok, so they tried, they just didn't quite succeed all the way

NRE: that happened after he was finished, I'm assuming. In my experience, at least, being flooded generally gets iterator projects cancelled

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Void, I know what you mean.

<APIS> I have no idea how to help with, your regions specifically... but, if there's anything I can do, I offer my hand in helping.

<APIS> Y eah.

<APIS> I mean tbf there were a LOT. of protests against him being made. apparently. or so ive heard. But he was like, half commissioned by this one guy and their family, and his proposed admin was, like, super popular, and, like, they were trying out "pre-made pairs" and stuff, so, like,

<APIS> ...To be honest, I wouldn't be able to see a good future for our group without him. so i'm glad he's here.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: I have no idea what you could do either

NRE: EA is our local ecosystem expert, but he seems to consider it worse than a waste of time to try and restore his regions to their pre revolution ecosystem

NRE: huh. I wouldn't think there'd be protests, though I suppose if people would be made to live on him?

NRE: pre-made pairs?

NRE: I'm glad he's there for you too! Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you guys after all

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Gweh.

<APIS> ...I guess I can see where blood's coming from, but, like,

<APIS> In order to maintain the species here, we gotta make sure they have an environment to actually, y'know, live in.

<APIS> I don't really get it, either. The only outskirters that had anyone living on them are me and Upsilon. I guess it probably had something to do with the fact that our regions were, literally sinking.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Yeah. Our architects tried making us in pairs, to see if we could get along better if we were all around the same age as each other. I guess it kind of worked? i really doubt they wanted us to start dating though. （＞人＜；）

<APIS> that line of thinking probably didn't make anything better later also.

<APIS> Hah, yeah. I can definitely say that the majority of us knowing how to cook really really well is better than just hoping to figure it out ourselves from the ground up.

<APIS> I'm not sure we would've survived without any surviving knowledge on how to spice stuff.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: EA believes that creatures should be left to figure out how to survive or go extinct themselves. unless they have "hidden modifications" in their DNA, I guess

NRE: hm. then why protest? at the worst the iterator would die with no loss to the common citizen

NRE: ah I think I see it. they thought he would cause the ground to sink too much and cause damage to the rest of you

NRE: our group had something similar, only instead of making us in age pairs we were work pairs

NRE: me and.. our fake senior and EA and glories

NRE: one to focus on the more real world aspects of things and the other to work on the spiritual and theoretical bits

NRE: that didnt work out very well in the long run, thats for sure

NRE: what an interesting similarity! maybe our designers were in contact with one another

NRE: so he taught you all to cook? thats nice, I know if I could eat I wouldnt want to eat flavorless food

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ...wow okay. Big weirdo behavior.

<APIS> Probably because he was meant to be built at the very edge of the shore like the rest of us outskirters but the fact he might sink in made people believe that A. the wind would come inland and destroy everyting and B. his weight would help sink the rest of the land . So, not only would the wind fuck everything up, but the already droning country would fall into itself. So.

<APIS> Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for disaster...

<APIS> Maybe they were, actually. I know Emblems was a bit... uh, worldly, is the word? He was more or less the main designer for most of us, most of the time.

<APIS> Well, we kinda knew how to cook, and I'm pretty sure Feathers got a LOT of recipes from his admin, but... he taught us how to cook, without burning everything, by ourselves.

<APIS> And Quiet made sure we didn't eat anything poisonous... props to em.

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

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And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

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Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

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right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

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arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

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strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

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what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

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[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[eternally-anomalous]

why would i want to learn more. he decided to come up to me and yell at me for no good reason.

not exactly something that makes me inclined to want to get to know him better

at least when i bother people about their regions its because theyre doing something that effects all of us

...

if i didnt care for sunrise he would leave me, or worse, get hurt. i dont want either of those things to happen

but youre welcome, i suppose

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is indeed how it seems.

<BVQT> I believe he feels that what you were doing may have effected him somehow or potentially would effect him in the future. Therefore you two are similar in that aspect at least.

<BVQT> ...I see.

<BVQT> I was wrong about you.

<BVQT> You are more similar to us than any of us know.

[eternally-anomalous]

how would that effect him. its not like id go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups or whatever he thinks id do

thatd be a waste of time, for one

...how so?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Well. I do not think he knows you would not go all the way to his regions to kill a few slugpups. Considering we are all deeply aware of the fact that Sunrise most likely will be inviting you over here himself.

<BVQT> Our regions are. all one area. We are all very close to each other.

<BVQT> Well for one. Forgive me if this is a bit forward but. I see part of myself in you.

<BVQT> We have similar symptoms of a very specific condition. I only know one other person that has it. And I just find it sort of funny that you exhibit parts of it.

[eternally-anomalous]

[LIVE BROADCAST]

PRIVATE - A Golden Rock within a Pebble; [APIS]; No Reluctant Epiphany.

<GRP> ......

<GRP> .........:}

<APIS> ...

<APIS> ...Uh.

<APIS> Hey, there, Goldy's best friend guy???

NRE: Hi!

NRE: im NRE, as you can see from the username

NRE: its very nice to meet you!

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<APIS> Yeah, likewise.

<APIS> I'm Tabby. Or Tablets. Either one's fine.

<APIS> So, uh...

<APIS> ...Goldy says you're interested in scavengers, right?

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NRE: once again, very nice to meet you Tabby

NRE: that's right! Their budding civilization is so fascinating, and they're just cool in general

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<APIS> Eheh

<APIS> Exactly! Their sort of cousins, the nauts, from our regions, are exactly the same and man, are they cool..

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ive heard a little bit about them

NRE: aquatic scavengers.. what an interesting idea. mine can barely swim!

NRE: id love to meet the nauts someday!

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<APIS> Your scavs can't swim???

<APIS> The nauts are, like, so cool... They're adorable, and super soft, for one. Not to mention our puppets' lungs were based off of theirs, so, like, we're cousins, too!

<APIS> Their appreciation for pearls stems from them initially being made to help, you know, sort them. Though, I did hear about some scavs being from different sources, and just sort of, fuse-evolving into each other?

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NRE: nope! They aren't built for it, the best they can do is splash awkwardly through water

NRE: soft.. that's really cool. My scavs are more bristly

NRE: oh that's interesting

NRE: didn't know about that, there wasn't much demand for pearl sorting in my regions, so they just kind of showed up oneday

NRE: I've heard of convergent evolution but I'm not sure if that's the right phrase

NRE: i know what you're talking about though!

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<APIS> 'Splashing awkwardly' is basically the opposite of what our nauts do. They're majestic as fuck

<APIS> Our guys also have some bristles, but it's moooostly fluff. They got spikes and bristles that they shake to communicate, and stuff! Pretty cool.

<APIS> Migrants... Nice!

<APIS> You get me!! Like, what our architects did, sort of. Common ancestor -> split -> compatible-enough DNA allows for merging -> it's just one species again type beat!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: with a name like nauts, they better be able to swim! Are they awkward on land?

NRE: does the fur help with swimming in some way? I know my scavs are mostly bristly as a way to keep predators from grabbing them. It's not fun to be poked in the mouth by a bunch of sharp spikes after all

NRE: yeah exactly! It seems we get each other

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<APIS> Well, they're a lot more awkward than we are, that's for sure! To be fair, though, we've had hundreds of thousands of cycles to practise walking, and they're better swimmers than all of us combined...

<APIS> Sort of! It helps protect them against the cold from the waters - and the wind, jeez...

<APIS> It's waterproof, so it doesn't drag them down, either.

<APIS> Hell yeah!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: it makes sense, you can't be good at both land and water. At least I'm pretty sure you can't

NRE: that makes sense! I wouldn't want to be out in the sea without any protection from the cold and wind. And pollution but I don't think you have that problem in your regions

NRE: wouldn't want to sink because my fur is heavy either

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<APIS> Well like. You CAN. just you need a lot of training and stuff...

<APIS> Yeahyeah! We, uh, like, do, sorta have a pollution issue here, but that's mostly inland, and THANKFULLY the oceans are decently clean!

<APIS> Yeag....

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i suppose so.. I meant it more as a general rule with species though, as most aren't going to do all that training to swim/walk well

NRE: it's the opposite here! .or well was the opposite here. There's a big deadzone due to all the deathloop in the middle of our group now.. still, where that isn't it's relatively clean

NRE: I've always wondered, what does water feel like when it's not just drumming on your walls or flowing through you?

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<APIS> True! Us, and, like, the ancients, are some of the only guys who really learned how to swim...

<APIS> Deadzones are awful, especially when not naturally caused...

<APIS> ...Should I be worried about this deathloop thing, though?

<APIS> Well, it's kinda wet. pfff

<APIS> It's nice, in my opinion! I sorta hate the cold, but I gotta admit, cool, clean water when you're sweltering is pretty good.

<APIS> Warm water is nice to bathe in, not to mention. It can be pretty cozy... Also being clean is nice.

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NRE: most land dwelling creatures wouldn't see any benefit in it id think, and if they do they end up evolving to become sea dwelling anyway

NRE: yeah.. I dont think you have to be worried it about it, no, it doesn't seem to be spreading

NRE: that does sound nice..

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<APIS> I gotta concur with that observation! This phrasing sucks, so bear with me, but not as many creatures were as... resourceful as the architects, I guess? So they don't really need to go in the water, like, ever

<APIS> It not spreading is, uh, really good!!! I'd rather not have my girlfriend's best buddy - and Sunrise's fiancee - to implode terribly. Not to mention, I've grown kinda fond of you, myself. Lol

<APIS> Maybe Goldy can splash you with water when he visits?

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NRE: yeah i get what youre trying to say

NRE: maybe a better word would be something like.. hm. adventurous? curious?

NRE: good to hear you dont want me to implode! i dont want the rest of my group to die either.. EA might be fine for a while considering the wall, but skywriter wouldnt be

NRE: you have? thats great! ..would you want to maybe be friends?

NRE: that could work

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<APIS> Curious! That's a great one. Definitely a way better alternative.

<APIS> Uh. Don't tell me EA's the only one with a retaining wall??

<APIS> ...Skywriter?

<APIS> Oh! Sure, I'd love to be friends! Any friend of my girlfriend is a friend of mine o(^▽^)o

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NRE: yay! I'm good at coming up with adjectives

NRE: yeah, is that not normal? I mean I have a little bit of one and so does..the fifth member of our group, but it doesn't keep anything out

NRE: I'm pretty sure the only reason EA really has one is to keep the sea from possibly sneaking in and drowning maim, which wouldnt be very good

NRE: glories didn't have one at all, and he was built around the same time so it's not just a time thing

NRE: skywriter is our real group seniors nickname

NRE: that's great! I'll admit I was a little bit nervous about talking to you, but you're just as awesome as Goldy said

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> You sure are, bud.

<APIS> ...That's, uh. Like, not a huge deal, but.. not, super normal, no

<APIS> Retaining walls were important for... reasons. It's cool you don't have any. Though not so cool that you might be at risk because of it..

<APIS> I've heard of this "Glories" guy. He's a rough piece of work, from what I've heard.. I'm sorry he's in your group, of all places.

<APIS> Oh, that's a cute nickname! Do they have a full title, or, like, do they just, totally hate it?

<APIS> Awwww,

<APIS> Thank youuuu (´▽`ʃ♡ƪ) !!

<APIS> Same to you! Hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: its not? huh, i just thought that the higher walls were just a sort of.. preferance thing

NRE: why are they important? i do have some theyre just very small

NRE: yeah.. well, at least hes dead now. i think

NRE: sea does have a full title, but prefers to be called skywriter

NRE: of course! its the truth

NRE: thank you!

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<APIS> ...Not really.

<APIS> The retaining walls were from what I remember, sorta, equally meant to keep things in or out, as well as mark the boarders of your regions better.

<APIS> Mostly just political stuff...

<APIS> Dead... is good! I think?

<APIS> We don't really die that easily, though, so, uh,

<APIS> pardon if this is inapprorpiate but

<APIS> ◉_◉

<APIS> Ya whelk!!! hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ah, I see

NRE: we were all built by the same group of ancients, so I suppose they didn't see the point. Or maybe they just wanted to cut costs, who knows

NRE: yeah.. it's probably for the best. I'm pretty sure he's completely dead, he's collapsed and there's no rarefaction cells, puppet or any sort of activity anymore

NRE: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, to tell the truth

NRE: :)

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> That tracks. A lot of ancients were really concerned about "costs", huh...

<APIS> Completely dead..

<APIS> I just mean, like, that's freaky! Kinda scary, to be honest. To know we can really die like that.

<APIS> Well, uh, that you guys can die like that. We're.. different, I guess.

<APIS> I can only imagine the power needed to do that...

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NRE: yeah.. iterators cost a lot so i guess i can imagine why they would want to cut costs..

NRE: you cant die like that? even with your rarefaction cells removed and your can collapsed and your puppet destroyed?

NRE: well, apparently its not actually that hard once youre inside someone.. you just have to take out the cells and everything falls down on its own

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Yeah...

<APIS> ...Uh. Yes? You can't die like that, either, dude.

<APIS> Even our puppets aren't, like, necessary for our continued existence as being 'alive'. Even with our cans collapsed and rarefaction cells stolen, we still have warmth and life. We're all essentially cursed to stay alive until we literally crumble into dust.

<APIS> And I mean, like, literally literally.

<APIS> I mean, makes sense, but if this Glories is like, for real dead, then something else must've happened to him, right?

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NRE: yeah, well you arent alive in the ways that matter in that state. you cant think or perceive anything. the ancients counted it as death when the brain died, even if the heart was still beating

NRE: why should it be different for us?

NRE: i dont know. i havent actually checked everywhere for the last little microbes that could be left

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ........Riiight.

<APIS> I mean, it wasn't, like, your job, to make sure he wasn't dead, right? So, I'm not gonna fault you. Still... Spooky.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: no, checking for death is supposed to be the group seniors job if anyones

NRE: and seeing as all we have currently is an imposter pretending like he could possibly ever take the place of our real group senior

NRE: i doubt anyone has completely

NRE: ..i have been getting messages from someone pretending to be be him for some reason..

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oh, jeez, that sounds complicated at best...

<APIS> I hope stuff gets smoothed out, at least, eventually.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Uh, lemme just, break down the Glories situation here,

<APIS> So, dude who should be dead, right?

<APIS> No signs of life, like, at all,

<APIS> But all that happened was he collapsed and his puppet was stabbed a little. So, theoretically, he should be at least slightly, obviously alive and dying.

<APIS> And now, someone pretending to be him, who has nothing to gain from this little ruse, is messaging you...?

<APIS> ...Buddy....

<APIS> I don't think he's as dead as everyone's hoping he is.

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NRE: I hope so too.. unfortunately I don't think it will until our real seniors comms are restored

NRE: well, his puppet was completely destroyed. but yes

NRE: ..but that would mean he's either using someone else's comms systems, which he can't do with no rarefaction cells or. Has somehow taken over someone else's can?

NRE: no, that's impossible.. there has to be a better explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, hopefully we can work on that. Eventually.

<APIS> ...I really, really hope there is. I don't have one though.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i hope so too

NRE: I heard someone about him making something to force people to do what he said.. but not completely control them. Void. I really hope there's another explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Force... like, not admin, right?

<APIS> I've only got the most basic of information on our systems... Just the stuff, like, required to make sure I can stop my neighbors from imploding. But I still can't see any other way.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: not quite admin, at least I'm pretty sure. A little different

NRE: maybe someone who knows more will be able to tell us that that's impossible. I really hope there's someone that can tell me that's impossible

NRE: if he is alive I don't know what I'll do

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> I can check our database, or... something.

<APIS> ...Hey, you, uh, wanna change the subject? Or just get your feelings out first?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: please do

NRE: ..i think I'd like to change the subject. What would you like to talk about?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Will do, then.

<APIS> Right..

<APIS> ...So, how's the climate over there?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thank you

NRE: the climate..

NRE: it's pretty humid and warm around here. Lots of plant growth even in the industrial areas. I think there used to be a swamp or something around here pre iterators

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oooooh, nice!

<APIS> You know, our regions are kinda similar. They're not as hot anymore, but there's still a hell of a lot of water everywhere. Considering we're below sea level it makes sense I guess.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thats cool! howd you manage to reduce the heat? or did it just happen

NRE: why didnt your architects build up the land? or build things to keep out the water? or both? i wouldnt want to build an iterator under water.. especially because it destabilizes the supports

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well. As it turns out, working produces a LOT of heat. So, not working... produces less. Crazy stuff.

<APIS> I'm serious, though. Just not working on the great problem helped neutralize the place a bit more. It's nowhere near as cold as it used to be, but... it's a start.

<APIS> Our ancients did drain a lot of the swampland, and set up our tunnels to put any water flooding us directly into our processing. Not to mention all the dykes they built.

<APIS> ...We do have a member almost underwater through. He's fine, but that was really not good planning on the ancient's part.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: hm, really? That's interesting. Probably reduces rain a little too, though that still wouldn't really help the ecosystem here

NRE: from reading pearls, I'm pretty sure that droughts used to be a pretty important part of the ecosystem here, and now that just cant happen

NRE: ah ok, so they tried, they just didn't quite succeed all the way

NRE: that happened after he was finished, I'm assuming. In my experience, at least, being flooded generally gets iterator projects cancelled

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Void, I know what you mean.

<APIS> I have no idea how to help with, your regions specifically... but, if there's anything I can do, I offer my hand in helping.

<APIS> Y eah.

<APIS> I mean tbf there were a LOT. of protests against him being made. apparently. or so ive heard. But he was like, half commissioned by this one guy and their family, and his proposed admin was, like, super popular, and, like, they were trying out "pre-made pairs" and stuff, so, like,

<APIS> ...To be honest, I wouldn't be able to see a good future for our group without him. so i'm glad he's here.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: I have no idea what you could do either

NRE: EA is our local ecosystem expert, but he seems to consider it worse than a waste of time to try and restore his regions to their pre revolution ecosystem

NRE: huh. I wouldn't think there'd be protests, though I suppose if people would be made to live on him?

NRE: pre-made pairs?

NRE: I'm glad he's there for you too! Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you guys after all

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Gweh.

<APIS> ...I guess I can see where blood's coming from, but, like,

<APIS> In order to maintain the species here, we gotta make sure they have an environment to actually, y'know, live in.

<APIS> I don't really get it, either. The only outskirters that had anyone living on them are me and Upsilon. I guess it probably had something to do with the fact that our regions were, literally sinking.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Yeah. Our architects tried making us in pairs, to see if we could get along better if we were all around the same age as each other. I guess it kind of worked? i really doubt they wanted us to start dating though. （＞人＜；）

<APIS> that line of thinking probably didn't make anything better later also.

<APIS> Hah, yeah. I can definitely say that the majority of us knowing how to cook really really well is better than just hoping to figure it out ourselves from the ground up.

<APIS> I'm not sure we would've survived without any surviving knowledge on how to spice stuff.

[eternally-anomalous]

[LIVE BROADCAST]

PRIVATE - A Golden Rock within a Pebble; [APIS]; No Reluctant Epiphany.

<GRP> ......

<GRP> .........:}

<APIS> ...

<APIS> ...Uh.

<APIS> Hey, there, Goldy's best friend guy???

NRE: Hi!

NRE: im NRE, as you can see from the username

NRE: its very nice to meet you!

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<APIS> Yeah, likewise.

<APIS> I'm Tabby. Or Tablets. Either one's fine.

<APIS> So, uh...

<APIS> ...Goldy says you're interested in scavengers, right?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: once again, very nice to meet you Tabby

NRE: that's right! Their budding civilization is so fascinating, and they're just cool in general

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Eheh

<APIS> Exactly! Their sort of cousins, the nauts, from our regions, are exactly the same and man, are they cool..

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ive heard a little bit about them

NRE: aquatic scavengers.. what an interesting idea. mine can barely swim!

NRE: id love to meet the nauts someday!

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<APIS> Your scavs can't swim???

<APIS> The nauts are, like, so cool... They're adorable, and super soft, for one. Not to mention our puppets' lungs were based off of theirs, so, like, we're cousins, too!

<APIS> Their appreciation for pearls stems from them initially being made to help, you know, sort them. Though, I did hear about some scavs being from different sources, and just sort of, fuse-evolving into each other?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: nope! They aren't built for it, the best they can do is splash awkwardly through water

NRE: soft.. that's really cool. My scavs are more bristly

NRE: oh that's interesting

NRE: didn't know about that, there wasn't much demand for pearl sorting in my regions, so they just kind of showed up oneday

NRE: I've heard of convergent evolution but I'm not sure if that's the right phrase

NRE: i know what you're talking about though!

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<APIS> 'Splashing awkwardly' is basically the opposite of what our nauts do. They're majestic as fuck

<APIS> Our guys also have some bristles, but it's moooostly fluff. They got spikes and bristles that they shake to communicate, and stuff! Pretty cool.

<APIS> Migrants... Nice!

<APIS> You get me!! Like, what our architects did, sort of. Common ancestor -> split -> compatible-enough DNA allows for merging -> it's just one species again type beat!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: with a name like nauts, they better be able to swim! Are they awkward on land?

NRE: does the fur help with swimming in some way? I know my scavs are mostly bristly as a way to keep predators from grabbing them. It's not fun to be poked in the mouth by a bunch of sharp spikes after all

NRE: yeah exactly! It seems we get each other

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, they're a lot more awkward than we are, that's for sure! To be fair, though, we've had hundreds of thousands of cycles to practise walking, and they're better swimmers than all of us combined...

<APIS> Sort of! It helps protect them against the cold from the waters - and the wind, jeez...

<APIS> It's waterproof, so it doesn't drag them down, either.

<APIS> Hell yeah!

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: it makes sense, you can't be good at both land and water. At least I'm pretty sure you can't

NRE: that makes sense! I wouldn't want to be out in the sea without any protection from the cold and wind. And pollution but I don't think you have that problem in your regions

NRE: wouldn't want to sink because my fur is heavy either

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<APIS> Well like. You CAN. just you need a lot of training and stuff...

<APIS> Yeahyeah! We, uh, like, do, sorta have a pollution issue here, but that's mostly inland, and THANKFULLY the oceans are decently clean!

<APIS> Yeag....

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i suppose so.. I meant it more as a general rule with species though, as most aren't going to do all that training to swim/walk well

NRE: it's the opposite here! .or well was the opposite here. There's a big deadzone due to all the deathloop in the middle of our group now.. still, where that isn't it's relatively clean

NRE: I've always wondered, what does water feel like when it's not just drumming on your walls or flowing through you?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> True! Us, and, like, the ancients, are some of the only guys who really learned how to swim...

<APIS> Deadzones are awful, especially when not naturally caused...

<APIS> ...Should I be worried about this deathloop thing, though?

<APIS> Well, it's kinda wet. pfff

<APIS> It's nice, in my opinion! I sorta hate the cold, but I gotta admit, cool, clean water when you're sweltering is pretty good.

<APIS> Warm water is nice to bathe in, not to mention. It can be pretty cozy... Also being clean is nice.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: most land dwelling creatures wouldn't see any benefit in it id think, and if they do they end up evolving to become sea dwelling anyway

NRE: yeah.. I dont think you have to be worried it about it, no, it doesn't seem to be spreading

NRE: that does sound nice..

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> I gotta concur with that observation! This phrasing sucks, so bear with me, but not as many creatures were as... resourceful as the architects, I guess? So they don't really need to go in the water, like, ever

<APIS> It not spreading is, uh, really good!!! I'd rather not have my girlfriend's best buddy - and Sunrise's fiancee - to implode terribly. Not to mention, I've grown kinda fond of you, myself. Lol

<APIS> Maybe Goldy can splash you with water when he visits?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah i get what youre trying to say

NRE: maybe a better word would be something like.. hm. adventurous? curious?

NRE: good to hear you dont want me to implode! i dont want the rest of my group to die either.. EA might be fine for a while considering the wall, but skywriter wouldnt be

NRE: you have? thats great! ..would you want to maybe be friends?

NRE: that could work

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Curious! That's a great one. Definitely a way better alternative.

<APIS> Uh. Don't tell me EA's the only one with a retaining wall??

<APIS> ...Skywriter?

<APIS> Oh! Sure, I'd love to be friends! Any friend of my girlfriend is a friend of mine o(^▽^)o

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yay! I'm good at coming up with adjectives

NRE: yeah, is that not normal? I mean I have a little bit of one and so does..the fifth member of our group, but it doesn't keep anything out

NRE: I'm pretty sure the only reason EA really has one is to keep the sea from possibly sneaking in and drowning maim, which wouldnt be very good

NRE: glories didn't have one at all, and he was built around the same time so it's not just a time thing

NRE: skywriter is our real group seniors nickname

NRE: that's great! I'll admit I was a little bit nervous about talking to you, but you're just as awesome as Goldy said

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> You sure are, bud.

<APIS> ...That's, uh. Like, not a huge deal, but.. not, super normal, no

<APIS> Retaining walls were important for... reasons. It's cool you don't have any. Though not so cool that you might be at risk because of it..

<APIS> I've heard of this "Glories" guy. He's a rough piece of work, from what I've heard.. I'm sorry he's in your group, of all places.

<APIS> Oh, that's a cute nickname! Do they have a full title, or, like, do they just, totally hate it?

<APIS> Awwww,

<APIS> Thank youuuu (´▽`ʃ♡ƪ) !!

<APIS> Same to you! Hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: its not? huh, i just thought that the higher walls were just a sort of.. preferance thing

NRE: why are they important? i do have some theyre just very small

NRE: yeah.. well, at least hes dead now. i think

NRE: sea does have a full title, but prefers to be called skywriter

NRE: of course! its the truth

NRE: thank you!

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ...Not really.

<APIS> The retaining walls were from what I remember, sorta, equally meant to keep things in or out, as well as mark the boarders of your regions better.

<APIS> Mostly just political stuff...

<APIS> Dead... is good! I think?

<APIS> We don't really die that easily, though, so, uh,

<APIS> pardon if this is inapprorpiate but

<APIS> ◉_◉

<APIS> Ya whelk!!! hehe

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: ah, I see

NRE: we were all built by the same group of ancients, so I suppose they didn't see the point. Or maybe they just wanted to cut costs, who knows

NRE: yeah.. it's probably for the best. I'm pretty sure he's completely dead, he's collapsed and there's no rarefaction cells, puppet or any sort of activity anymore

NRE: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, to tell the truth

NRE: :)

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> That tracks. A lot of ancients were really concerned about "costs", huh...

<APIS> Completely dead..

<APIS> I just mean, like, that's freaky! Kinda scary, to be honest. To know we can really die like that.

<APIS> Well, uh, that you guys can die like that. We're.. different, I guess.

<APIS> I can only imagine the power needed to do that...

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah.. iterators cost a lot so i guess i can imagine why they would want to cut costs..

NRE: you cant die like that? even with your rarefaction cells removed and your can collapsed and your puppet destroyed?

NRE: well, apparently its not actually that hard once youre inside someone.. you just have to take out the cells and everything falls down on its own

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Yeah...

<APIS> ...Uh. Yes? You can't die like that, either, dude.

<APIS> Even our puppets aren't, like, necessary for our continued existence as being 'alive'. Even with our cans collapsed and rarefaction cells stolen, we still have warmth and life. We're all essentially cursed to stay alive until we literally crumble into dust.

<APIS> And I mean, like, literally literally.

<APIS> I mean, makes sense, but if this Glories is like, for real dead, then something else must've happened to him, right?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: yeah, well you arent alive in the ways that matter in that state. you cant think or perceive anything. the ancients counted it as death when the brain died, even if the heart was still beating

NRE: why should it be different for us?

NRE: i dont know. i havent actually checked everywhere for the last little microbes that could be left

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ........Riiight.

<APIS> I mean, it wasn't, like, your job, to make sure he wasn't dead, right? So, I'm not gonna fault you. Still... Spooky.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: no, checking for death is supposed to be the group seniors job if anyones

NRE: and seeing as all we have currently is an imposter pretending like he could possibly ever take the place of our real group senior

NRE: i doubt anyone has completely

NRE: ..i have been getting messages from someone pretending to be be him for some reason..

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oh, jeez, that sounds complicated at best...

<APIS> I hope stuff gets smoothed out, at least, eventually.

<APIS> ...

<APIS> Uh, lemme just, break down the Glories situation here,

<APIS> So, dude who should be dead, right?

<APIS> No signs of life, like, at all,

<APIS> But all that happened was he collapsed and his puppet was stabbed a little. So, theoretically, he should be at least slightly, obviously alive and dying.

<APIS> And now, someone pretending to be him, who has nothing to gain from this little ruse, is messaging you...?

<APIS> ...Buddy....

<APIS> I don't think he's as dead as everyone's hoping he is.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: I hope so too.. unfortunately I don't think it will until our real seniors comms are restored

NRE: well, his puppet was completely destroyed. but yes

NRE: ..but that would mean he's either using someone else's comms systems, which he can't do with no rarefaction cells or. Has somehow taken over someone else's can?

NRE: no, that's impossible.. there has to be a better explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, hopefully we can work on that. Eventually.

<APIS> ...I really, really hope there is. I don't have one though.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: i hope so too

NRE: I heard someone about him making something to force people to do what he said.. but not completely control them. Void. I really hope there's another explanation

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Force... like, not admin, right?

<APIS> I've only got the most basic of information on our systems... Just the stuff, like, required to make sure I can stop my neighbors from imploding. But I still can't see any other way.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: not quite admin, at least I'm pretty sure. A little different

NRE: maybe someone who knows more will be able to tell us that that's impossible. I really hope there's someone that can tell me that's impossible

NRE: if he is alive I don't know what I'll do

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> I can check our database, or... something.

<APIS> ...Hey, you, uh, wanna change the subject? Or just get your feelings out first?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: please do

NRE: ..i think I'd like to change the subject. What would you like to talk about?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Will do, then.

<APIS> Right..

<APIS> ...So, how's the climate over there?

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thank you

NRE: the climate..

NRE: it's pretty humid and warm around here. Lots of plant growth even in the industrial areas. I think there used to be a swamp or something around here pre iterators

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Oooooh, nice!

<APIS> You know, our regions are kinda similar. They're not as hot anymore, but there's still a hell of a lot of water everywhere. Considering we're below sea level it makes sense I guess.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: thats cool! howd you manage to reduce the heat? or did it just happen

NRE: why didnt your architects build up the land? or build things to keep out the water? or both? i wouldnt want to build an iterator under water.. especially because it destabilizes the supports

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well. As it turns out, working produces a LOT of heat. So, not working... produces less. Crazy stuff.

<APIS> I'm serious, though. Just not working on the great problem helped neutralize the place a bit more. It's nowhere near as cold as it used to be, but... it's a start.

<APIS> Our ancients did drain a lot of the swampland, and set up our tunnels to put any water flooding us directly into our processing. Not to mention all the dykes they built.

<APIS> ...We do have a member almost underwater through. He's fine, but that was really not good planning on the ancient's part.

[eternally-anomalous]

NRE: hm, really? That's interesting. Probably reduces rain a little too, though that still wouldn't really help the ecosystem here

NRE: from reading pearls, I'm pretty sure that droughts used to be a pretty important part of the ecosystem here, and now that just cant happen

NRE: ah ok, so they tried, they just didn't quite succeed all the way

NRE: that happened after he was finished, I'm assuming. In my experience, at least, being flooded generally gets iterator projects cancelled

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Void, I know what you mean.

<APIS> I have no idea how to help with, your regions specifically... but, if there's anything I can do, I offer my hand in helping.

<APIS> Y eah.

<APIS> I mean tbf there were a LOT. of protests against him being made. apparently. or so ive heard. But he was like, half commissioned by this one guy and their family, and his proposed admin was, like, super popular, and, like, they were trying out "pre-made pairs" and stuff, so, like,

<APIS> ...To be honest, I wouldn't be able to see a good future for our group without him. so i'm glad he's here.

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

[eternally-anomalous]

Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

[eternally-anomalous]

right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

[eternally-anomalous]

what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[eternally-anomalous]

why would i want to learn more. he decided to come up to me and yell at me for no good reason.

not exactly something that makes me inclined to want to get to know him better

at least when i bother people about their regions its because theyre doing something that effects all of us

...

if i didnt care for sunrise he would leave me, or worse, get hurt. i dont want either of those things to happen

but youre welcome, i suppose

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That is indeed how it seems.

<BVQT> I believe he feels that what you were doing may have effected him somehow or potentially would effect him in the future. Therefore you two are similar in that aspect at least.

<BVQT> ...I see.

<BVQT> I was wrong about you.

<BVQT> You are more similar to us than any of us know.

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

[eternally-anomalous]

Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

[eternally-anomalous]

right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

[eternally-anomalous]

what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[eternally-anomalous]

His reaction to my removal of modified creatures is what makes me... Skeptical that he should be a co head of the restoration project

After all, if you can't see the importance of keeping harmful invasive creatures out of the area you're trying to restore, then how can you restore it properly

... wouldn't be a very good partner if I didn't

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Your point of view makes sense considering the limited information you have been given... though I am not sure if you are very interested in learning more about Winter.

<BVQT> Partners cannot always take care of each other so directly. Or indeed they are terrible and actively refuse to. Thank you for being a good partner to my brother.

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, me and this guy have one thing in common, at least.

<TSF> ...?

<TSF> may i ask, what that is?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> ..............Annoyance.

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Well, me and this guy have one thing in common, at least.

<TSF> ...?

<TSF> may i ask, what that is?

[eternally-anomalous]

imagine being forced to constantly keep antigrav off inside of your structure...

that sounds miserable

how do you think like that? wouldnt that make you collapse?

having no antigravity is the main reason not having rarefaction cells is bad, after all

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

..do you want something

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<VQT> Ah. Not particularly. I sinply noticed rhat a part of me had sent you a message and felt it prudent to respond.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> You are Eternal Anomaly.

[eternally-anomalous]

...alright. so part of you sent me that question. I suppose I can't get mad at you for reading my response then..

Yes, that's me

You can tell by the fact I end all my messages with my name

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> I suppose not. No matter how much I wish it were true I cannot simply separate myself from those who reside alongside me.

<BVQT> Somehow I figured you had blocked me. Or that perhaps I had blocked You. Ah well.

[eternally-anomalous]

i could get mad at you if you want me to, for whatever reason

Evidently not. I can't block you, and you don't have any reason to block me. Yet

-eternal anomaly

[oceanic-recollection]

<BVQT> ...Right.

<BVQT> Our previous encounter was not exactly the most pleasant which is part of why I assumed you would refuse contact wirh me.

<BVQT> ...You cannot block me? How odd.

[eternally-anomalous]

i have less pleasant conversations than that daily, for fun

Though if it's semi intentional is it still unpleasant, or is it pleasant because that's what you wanted. I suppose it depends on the other person at that point..

I'm not allowed to. cant end conversations either

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> It was not intentionally uncomfortable on my part if that is your belief.

<BVQT> At all? I see. And has... Sunrise... offered to assist you with that? Unless I would be correct in my assumption that it is not simply an odd glitch.

[eternally-anomalous]

no, you dont seem like youd do that, at least not with someone youd barely talked to

Sunrise didnt cause it, if thats what you're implying. i wont stand for this slander of my boyfriend. take it back or duel me

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> I see we have reached what is known as a "complete misunderstanding".

<BVQT> I was offering to fix your problem if Sunrise was unable to. I was created to solve any problem he could not. Perhaps I could assist with yours.

<BVQT> We will soon be related by law regardless. I figured that attempting to assist you could perhaps foster anything-but-negative feelings between us.

<BVQT> I do not wish to duel you.

[eternally-anomalous]

...

My boyfriend can fix anything you can

And besides, why would I allow you into my structure, where you could easily hurt me or read my memories

For that matter, you are not allowed in my regions altogether, until I know and trust you more, which depending on what happens could be never

Is that because I've managed to make enemies with most of your group, or despite it

thats probably a good thing..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am deeply aware of Sunrise's capacity. I was his assistant mentor for cycles and his coworker for thousands more. I am indeed of the belief that I am more aware of his capabilities than you or anyone else has ever been. Though I do not doubt you could surpass me in that knowledge especially considering

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have no reason to read your memories. If there was some sort of hard-coded reason it would be Sunrise's responsibility not mine to check. Not to mention I have no reason to hurt you. You are yet to give me one.

<BVQT> I do not mind the boundary you have set.

<BVQT> Despite. I view my sibling's opinions on others in very high regard. Considering how many you have managed to upset I have very little reason to trust you. But I do wish to try.

<BVQT> Indeed. I would not wish to destroy you. Nor be destroyed by you in the event that you have some sort of currently unknown advantage over me. Which I doubt.

<BVQT> ...That is not an insult towards you. It is a compliment to my creators.

[eternally-anomalous]

That just makes you more likely to underestimate his capabilities, not less. I highly doubt you are "aware of his capabilities" as you seem to think

You could be lying completely. Just saying things isn't going to make me trust you

Technically they started it. Upsilon read my conversations, and winter was the one who decided to pick a fight about the slugcats. Never would have talked to either of them otherwise

You could beat me? why, just because you're some strong engineer? Always so amusing when people think they can defeat, let alone destroy me

You still think highly of your creators?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I am aware of that. That is why I am not forcing myself upon you.

<BVQT> I do not know much of either of those scenarios so I find myself unwilling to comment.

<BVQT> Because I have excessive strength and am in great control of my puppet. I am not just some "strong engineer". I was created with the strength of fifteen people. I am able to destroy things with extreme ease. And I have a carapace stronger than Sunrise's along with fur similar to his. I am resistant to several types of acid damage, fast-growing fungi, electricity, heavy rain, extreme temperatures...

<BVQT> Unless you have some sort of advantage on your own puppet that allows you to bypass being crushed like a tin can I believe I would be able to defeat you. This is not bragging. This is fact.

<BVQT> I find myself looking fondly back at a singular engineer that was the main person who assisted in myself and Sunrise's puppet's creation. He was quite dear to me and held some respect for me. I do not hold every architect in a similar respect. Much less the rest of those who created me...

[eternally-anomalous]

..nice of you

Yeah yeah. None of that stops you from dying forever the second I piece said carapace

Or, considering how biological your group is, I wouldn't even need to do that

Besides, you cant do that if you can't catch me, and if need be i can just make a new puppet

bet ive got a stronger carapace than you

must have been nice to have a friend who was someone actually important.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are very welcome.

<BVQT> ...Ah

<BVQT> You do have something over me. And it has to do with my biology? How very interesting...

<BVQT> I can also make a new puppet if needs must. And I do have relatively high speeds of climbing and running.

<BVQT> Perhaps instead of a direct fight we could simply do a show of strength. Our current bragging battle is simply that on a smaller scale. Not to mention it is significantly less satisfying when you cannot see the result of yourself and the other's strength.

<BVQT> A friend... I suppose you could describe him as such.

[eternally-anomalous]

Do you want an explanation of what it is and how it works?

Well, considering that whatever fight we'd be having would probably be in my regions, I could just lure you into one of the less important factories and use that to slow you down

a show of strength.. what would that involve? Would we be doing that in person or take overseer videos

.. did you have a romantic relationship with him?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> If you trust me enough to share. I cannot say I am not curious...

<BVQT> Ah. So you would allow me in your regions to fight but not to be repaired?

<BVQT> Factories...

<BVQT> I had presumed we would do it in person. It would be significantly easier to see the results then.

<BVQT>

<BVQT> NO.

<BVQT> I did not hage any romantic relaruonships with any ancient and ESPECIALLY not mt father.

[eternally-anomalous]

a defense isnt very useful if no one knows about it. Sure theres the advantage of surprise, but not being attacked in the first place because everyones too scared to is far more helpful. So yes, I'll tell you

I, or more specifically my puppet, is an asymptomatic carrier of a bloodborne illness known as deathloop. It destroys any creature it comes into contact with's ability to metabolize oxygen

you can hurt me far less when fighting my puppet then you could "repairing" my superstructure. besides, i cant leave my regions with the state of my wall

id come back to a horde of modified creatures destroying all my precious work and ecosystem

in person.. we'd either have to wait until my wall is fixed or do it in my farm arrays

...iterators dont have parents.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> How interesting. I can only theorize as to how you would have acquired that. I will make sure not to punch you too hard.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> ...The state of your wall? I can only assume Sunrise will be the one fixing that so I needn't worry. But I am still curious.

<BVQT> That does sound rather annoying. I would not like to leave my garden simply to come back to hundreds of invasive species ravishing it.

<BVQT> Ravaging.

<BVQT> Whatever.

<BVQT> As a parent is generally considered to be someone who acts as a guardian towards or was the biological origination of someone yes I did have a parent. Sunrise had two. Winter, Upsilon, Goldy, Feathers... everyone else in my group minus Gamma also had at least one parent.

<BVQT> We were all created with at least some biological data from our administrators inside of our puppets. For myself it was simply a small amount of DNA. For Sunrise it was biological memory and large amounts of biology. It varies.

<BVQT> Regardless. This group had parents. And before the taboos were implemented I was quite close to mine.

[eternally-anomalous]

see, if I hadn't told you about it I could have still gotten punched hard, and now I won't, proving my point about what effective defense is

...the other reason you're not allowed in my regions is so you cant tell everyone my weaknesses. You won't be getting any more elaborate

Exactly. Finally someone understands, everyone always just talks about how "immoral it is to condemn things to die permanently just for existing" but I'm not the one who created them, and youd want to permanently remove things from your area of interest if they were ruining it

..they get to be your parents just because they gave you the tiniest amount of DNA to your smallest point?

That's like calling a virus your parent because some of their DNA gave you a useful adaptation

.....no offense to your...father

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I have no reason to share your weaknesses. But I cannot fault you for that line of thought.

<BVQT> I would not condemn them to die permanently, but instruct them to leave the premise or simply remove them if they refused to listen. Though killing something for all of eternity does technically solve the problem it likely is not pleasant.

<BVQT> ...I am sure he would find you hilarious.

<BVQT> He was also my guardian and mentor for many years much in the way a father would have been. Even if his genetic contribution was small he still was a father to me.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you say..

Do you expect a lizard to listen to that? They can't even understand me. Or a vulture, do you really think that's going to leave because I asked nicely

"Just remove them" have you ever tried to carry a lizard that's trying it's best to kill you across miles of difficult terrain? I'll just pick up and carry out an entire slugcat colony, because that's so easy to do and they won't come back

Everyone suggests just removing them, obviously noone spends a singular second considering why that might be impossible

how nice of him

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> The mark.

<BVQT> ...Is that a trick question? I have already revealed my strength. I was not exaggerating in the slightest. I could easily carry either given I had enough space to do so.

<BVQT> But if you cannot carry even a single lizard...

<BVQT> Are you sure you are a good enough person for my brother?

<BVQT> Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

so I should take them all the way up into my puppet chamber as well.

Can you climb up walls while doing that? Can you keep hold of a wiggling, slippery lizard when you don't have finger pads and if you sink your claws in too deep you risk deathlooping them anyway? Can you also do that fast enough to also prevent the others that are coming in to your regions from overwhelming you, hiding and escaping and multiplying?

I don't care how strong you are, you can't do all that at once, while also trying to manage several scavenger tribes, study your creatures evolution and take care of several large pools full of leeches

.I wasn't aware that being a person of any mortality was determined by their physical strength

So by that logic, according to your claims you're the best iterator ever to come into existence.

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> That sounds overwhelming. I was unaware that all of that was happening at once.

<BVQT> I still do not think you should condemn them to ETERNAL death. But your position does seem more logical now.

<BVQT> It is not. I was making a joke based off of the old belief that those with little to no physical strength were not worthy of even observing "higher-value" persons. This view was mostly maintained by the eldest members of whichever family the "high-value" person happened to be from.

<BVQT> Either way. According to that logic it would not be me but Sunrise who would be the best iterator to ever come into existence. As much as it does pain me to say that...

<BVQT> While I am excessively strong he is in fact stronger. Not to mention he has a much better grip on his strength than I do...

[eternally-anomalous]

...has no one out there tried to manage their regions before or something? I would have thought the difficulties of it would be fairly obvious

if I killed them normally they'd just come back

You should really give some indication that something is a joke, I've never heard of that belief and wouldn't have known it wasn't serious even if I had

Sunrise is the best iterator ever to come into existence

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Very few are as hell-bent on cultivating their regions as you from what I have seen.

<BVQT> And if you kill them enough perhaps one day they might leave.

<BVQT> Ah. I understand. I will attempt to make my jokes more obvious.

<BVQT> ...The second message I sent in this group was a joke.

<BVQT> I suppose by your logic he is. Not to mention he is very kind. Caring. Hard-working...

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> He is a very good person is he not.

<BVQT> I should... send that apology letter.

[eternally-anomalous]

they should be, maybe then there'd be less people on the comms complaining about being sabotaged by some modified creature, it can't do that if you kill it before it gets the chance

i doubt it. They'll just learn that I'm a threat and avoid me, which they're already doing anyway

that would be helpful, and you'll get yelled at less if I know it's a joke. A win win

sunrise is the most kind, caring and hard working person I've ever known

...what is it you need to apologize for

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right...

<BVQT> Ah. That does make sense. Then I suppose what you do is most logical.

<BVQT> Understood. I will indicate jokes from now on.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> For everything.

<BVQT> I must apologize to him for everything.

[eternally-anomalous]

You finally see. Perhaps I should try explaining more.. could make people actually understand

good

...

You should. Immediately

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean. Probably. Nobody can simply see into your thoughts after all.

<BVQT> The main reason I have stalled for so long is because you two are still on your vacation. I am sure you already know our model cannot communicate with the outside world without our puppets? This also means he would not be able to respond for quite some time if I were to send the message now.

<BVQT> I feel like doing so would put too much pressure on us both. I do not want that.

<BVQT> ...But I may send it regardless if you are so adamant on me doing so.

[eternally-anomalous]

And I'm glad for that

People should just know what I mean and what information I want them to know immediately

I'm aware, yes

Sounds more like you're looking for an excuse to delay, not being able to reply immediately is probably a good thing

if sunrise deserves an apology for everything you did, then he should get one

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> As am I.

<BVQT> ...You were unaware that I was joking on several occasions. Do you believe everyone must go past a supposed deficiency you yourself are unable to break free of?

<BVQT> I am not-

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> I have sent the apology.

<BVQT> I can only hope Sunrise will respond once he is truly ready to.

[eternally-anomalous]

it would be helpful if i knew exactly what others meant as well

..though that would make it harder to make up things to get mad about during an argument..

anyway, you dont seem much better at spotting a joke than i am

good.

ill make sure he wait until hes ready

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Making up things to get mad at during an argument. You are a funny one.

<BVQT> ...I am not.

<BVQT> Thank you. For caring for my brother in these ways.

<BVQT> He deserves someone who can love him properly.

[eternally-anomalous]

yes, that was a joke and not something I do ever

See, you can't make fun of me for not knowing if something's a joke if you can't either

...I'm glad you think I can do that

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> I never once made fun of you for that. I made fun of you for being a hypocrite.

<BVQT> From the little I have heard of you two and your escapades it seems like you do. Even if a lack of communication can cause small upsets it's clear he feels deeply loved by you. Not to mention how much he loves you himself...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'm not a hypocrite

...

I love him and he loves me, but what if I mess it up, and end up ruining it

I don't want to accidentally hurt him

Glad to know he knows I love him at least..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course not.

<BVQT> ..

<BVQT> If you mess up I have no doubt he would simply tell you. And thus the two of you could work through whatever happened together.

<BVQT> Even if you hurt him I have no doubt he would forgive you for it and love you all the same.

<BVQT> ...

[eternally-anomalous]

..thats.. helpful to hear

Thank you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> As Sunrise's eldest sibling I do have some responsibility to assist those who wish to court him. Or something to that effect.

<BVQT> I appreciate knowing you would not intentionally hurt him.

[eternally-anomalous]

Im glad my group doesn't have that tradition... My eldest.. I suppose we could be called siblings, we're in the same group after all.. would just tell anyone who asked about his own life and the great problem instead of helping with anything

i would never. Anyone who intentionally betrays their loved ones and siblings is worse than an ancient

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being in the same group does not make you siblings. Though I understand what you mean by that.

<BVQT> That is very deeply annoying... Why simply speak of yourself when you have the chance to let loose embarrassing secrets without harming anyone?

<BVQT> I jest.

<BVQT> ...Indeed.

[eternally-anomalous]

what makes you siblings then?

.telling someone elses secrets to anyone without their knowledge or consent is harming them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Being related by blood or feeling that sort of connection from what I am aware.

<BVQT> ...It can be deeply harmful. That is why I clarified to say I was joking.

[eternally-anomalous]

Id imagine it's hard for iterators to be related by blood..

if you hadnt been joking my reaction would have been far harsher, and would probably lead to you getting stabbed at some point in the future

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed! Though as I said it is not entirely impossible. Of course the only blood relations I know of are myself and Sunrise - as well as Winter and Goldy but they are more cousins - I have no doubt that there are others in a similar situation.

<BVQT> ...I see. I would rather not get stabbed.

[eternally-anomalous]

So you have the same parents? Interesting.. how'd they manage to get that to happen? Id imagine that quite a few high ranking ancients would like to have that privilege

Most wouldn't, that's why it's an effective threat

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Ah. Well you see. It was not meant to happen like that. The officials did not want that I mean.

<BVQT> When I was created things were still very very strict. My father was the only administrator in the region - by a technicality. Our senior's administrator never entered our regions.

<BVQT> My father had planned with his partner, later Sunrise's administrator, to have a child but their duties disallowed such. So they both promised each other to - if Sunrise's administrator were ever to have control over an iterator - put both of their biological material in it in secret and create a child that way. A child they would both care for.

<BVQT> Even with the taboo restricting all positive emotion they still had a bond. And that bond and loyalty dictated they would go against the overseer's demands for only the primary administrator of each iterator to give biological material, in order to create their child.

<BVQT> So in a strictly biological sense we are only half siblings.

<BVQT> ...Anyway. I would rather be stabbed with a clean blade than whatever you use to administer that deathloop of yours.

[eternally-anomalous]

right, your cities didnt kill the kids. seems counterproductive to the whole goal of ascension in my opinion, to have only some important people banned from making them and then letting the kids join the cycle anyway

youd think theyd put something in place to stop that from happening. not that it would matter anyway, you could just as easily pretend to be an iterators parents without any biological relationship..

sounds a little excessive. if you dont have any positive emotion ever, whats stopping you from just ascending yourself? its not like youd have any reason not to

good thing biology doesnt really matter with that kind of things

my secondary claws? you definitely would rather be stabbed by anything else, as its hard to prevent the deathloop from flowing through them when theyre unsheathed

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Did your citizens not have the taboos, the biological laws, the same way ours did? They were created not only to shed oneself from sin, but to halt procreation and that specific want entirely.

<BVQT> ...Our version of the grand biological laws were implemented with small machines that would,

<BVQT> Melt off

<BVQT> during ascension

<BVQT> bringing back all lost emotion

<BVQT> and

<BVQT> causing one to fail to ascend

<BVQT> So they were mainly a preventative measure or used to assist others in their enlightenment.

<BVQT> uhm

<BVQT> indeed

[eternally-anomalous]

if they had that how did they still want a kid?

most of my citizens left before the ascension, so i cant tell you if they implemented that shortly before, but no, it was done with different methods and not even yours would prevent everyone from making kids. hence the need to kill them from time to time

..i hope they stopped using them after they found that out. otherwise it stops being a tragedy and starts being idoicy

my citizens would not have used that, no. they had enough trouble ascending already

whatever happened to discover this wasnt pleasant for you, was it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I do not know. Memories. Loyalty. Those were not actively suppressed after all.

<BVQT> I see...

<BVQT> They stopped producing them yes. But my father and his partner believed they were truly ready to ascend. The laws clouded their view I suppose.

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> There are not many echoes on my can. But I do feel one.

<BVQT> Two really.

<BVQT> So yes. I would describe it as unpleasant.

[eternally-anomalous]

arent those based on postive emotion? .. it doesn't really matter, I suppose

Not having any emotion, and still remembering how it felt would do that to you

you can feel them?

..right. you wouldn't have had a chance or reason to ruin your karma so badly that even the echoes are imperceptible to you

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> You are asking so many questions. Curious thing.

<BVQT> No. Those feelings are rewarded by positive emotion but not always kept by them.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> Even if I had committed any great sins I would feel them. Our structures are locked at the higher karmas.

[eternally-anomalous]

That's because I'm interested in what you're saying

.. good to know

That's what they tried to do to me also, but it's really hard to permanently lock someone at the higher karmas. It naturally wants to get lower, as I'm sure you're already aware

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Oh.

<BVQT> I see.

<BVQT> It is very hard. But not impossible...

[eternally-anomalous]

So you're sure you're stuck at the highest karmas?

I doubt there's anything you can do to artificially lower it like you can raise it.. and even if you could the side effects would probably be unpleasant at best

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Our structures are. Our puppets however are more or less locked at the fifth karma. To prevent us from ascending without the taboos.

<BVQT> ...I would rather not be stuck on anything lower.

[eternally-anomalous]

how could your structures be at different karma than your puppets?

.. are your neuron flies at different levels of karma too?

maybe i do ask a lot of questions. but its not like ive heard about any of this before, and i want to know

its not so bad to be at the low karmas. besides if its only your puppet its not like itd make much difference

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I am unsure. My greatest theory is it has something to do with the frequent syncing we must do to ensure the connection between puppet and structure stays fully intact. But aside from that I have nothing...

<BVQT> I do not mind you questions. I just find them somewhat amusing. I do not often personally attempt to delve so deeply i into the inner workings of myself and my siblings.

<BVQT> True. But I would enjoy...

<BVQT> Well. Not to get stuck in one area if I cannot contact whoever controls the gate.

<BVQT> I have no desire to ascend yet. But I have heard from our slugcats that getting stuck can be as annoying as it is deeply humiliating...

[eternally-anomalous]

strange.. i wonder if anything out of the norm would happen if you did desync. for me it just makes the puppet unable to do anything..

i study creatures as my hobby, their habits, how they do things, the way their organs work etc. of course im interested in how you work too

just break the gate. or if you like whoevers gate it is, find another way around. there always is, seeing as creatures seem to be able to find their way around my regions without any difficulty despite all my gates being completely locked

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> In the event of total separation from our structures, our puppets do indeed simply turn off. If they are simply desynced however they become extremely slow and laggy and will relay information at a muc slower rate. So theoretically it could take even several minuts for us to say a single sentence.

<BVQT> So we have both called the other creatures now...

<BVQT> I suppose it would be relevant to mention I once was the head of zoology in this group? Tabby was alays the one significantly more interested in it than I but I did still work quite a lot on furthering reaserch into beasts in our region..

<BVQT> ...I will keep this in mind.

[eternally-anomalous]

..interesting. sounds pretty normal for detached puppets to me, but im no expert on those matters

we are creatures, arent we?

you were? tell me everything you know about your beasts. i heard you have legless lizards, what other kinds of creatures do you have?

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Relatively normal yes.

<BVQT> True. But it's silly.

<BVQT> We have a plethora of beasts.

<BVQT> The aquanauts. Mudshippers. Hoera. Oil salmon. Shell-stealing crab. Tuftcrabs. Coastal shrimp. Heksvissen. That funny-looking sea slug species. Spearbirds...

<BVQT> and so many bugs.

<BVQT> Is there something specific you have interest in?

[eternally-anomalous]

The shell stealing crab sounds like a good place to start

Mid foodchain, id guess, with plenty of things eating and getten eaten by it

One of the best things to study if you're looking to know about the flow of energy is that kind of creature.. and ill get to hear the names of more animals

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> The shell-stealing crab is eaten most by the bosbes - or roodbes - salamanders in our regions. Though the lizard's primary target is the once-invasive tufted crabs they will not turn down an excuse to eat any other crustacean.

<BVQT> During famines this crab will violently attack other marine animals for food or shelter. But when food and safety is abundant then they are docile. Even social to an extent.

[eternally-anomalous]

sunrise told me about those.. salamanders? thought they were lizards... regardless, id love to study their teeth someday

once invasive.. wish i could afford to wait and see if any species could naturalize to my regions, adapting to new things is an important part of evolution, but unfortunately any new creature could be modified and i wouldnt know until its too late

thats an interesting adaptation.. fascinating how creatures will act so differently in times of crisis

i wonder how long without food it takes them to become aggressive

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> He may call them lizards.

<BVQT> I understand the fear. Though I do not recommend adding potentilly invasive species into your regions regardless...

<BVQT> A lightly modified creature could easily be singiifcantly less harmful than an unmodified creature with traits that could make it invasive.

<BVQT> Indeed.

<BVQT> It takes several days without any food and several weeks with less. I would not like to artificially starve them to find out exact numbers.

[eternally-anomalous]

can they breathe underwater? if not theyre lizards.

im not planning on it. im trying to observe my own creatures anyway, not anything that wants to come in

animal cruelty is something to be avoided, i suppose. wouldnt want to hurt the poor beasts

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> They are partially amphibious yes.

<BVQT> However. Sunrise... does not care for specific terms.

<BVQT> even if they are significantly more accurate.

<BVQT> Understandable. I then believe a good course of action would be for me to scavenge all the data I can find and share it with you.

<BVQT> Indeed...

[eternally-anomalous]

I'll have to be sure to ask if they can breathe water next time we're talking about aquatic creatures.. I had assumed they had to come up for air

That would be nice

Always good to have more information about creatures, so if you can find any id like it

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I will make sure to educate him on the nature of each creature's breathing so hee may provide a sufficient answer.

<BVQT> I will see what I can find for you. We primarily have habitat information considering. We are focusing on rehabilitation before broader research. But it is still interesting nonetheless.

[eternally-anomalous]

Thank you, that will help prevent confusion

Trying to restore it to the pre ancients habitat? Good luck with that

Wouldn't you need to know about the creatures to know how to change the habitat for them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> Good.

<BVQT> Thank you.

<BVQT> Only the basics. Diet, habitat, relation to other creatures. We do not need to know every single on of its abilities, its original name nor its specific height and weight averages to give it a new home.

[eternally-anomalous]

what if one of those abilities ends up giving it an overwhelming advantage in the new ecosystem? i do agree that the original name is pointless, especially if you can make new ones

height and weight averages are easy to get and useful, you might not need them but its not a difficult task..

you need to transport the creatures anyway, right? measure them then. i can give you some anteater venom to make it easier

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...

<BVQT> We do not have that kind of ecosystem. If a thing has some sort of ability that will allow it to thrive over other creatures around it then its ability will be obvious.

<BVQT> ...Anteater venom?

[eternally-anomalous]

..most ecosystems work that way. But I'll take your word for it. Even if a tiny difference between seemingly unimportant things is often exactly what causes one species to outcompete the other

Anteater venom. It's quite useful, as it nonlethally paralyzes creature so you can take whatever samples or measurements you need from them

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> .........

<BVQT> Everything worked out fine. Even if I was attempting to rush things a tad nothing went as horribly wrong as it could have.

<BVQT> That venom sounds. Useful.

[eternally-anomalous]

you shouldn't rush things like that. Next time you undertake a project, figure out the required data beforehand. It might make it easier

it is, I use it often

it's easy to get too, provided you have an anteater around

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I already am well aware of that. That is why I... stopped.

<BVQT> I...... appreciate your advice.

<BVQT> Understood. Perhaps I will see if any anteaters are in or around my regions.

[eternally-anomalous]

Good that you knew already. Though if you knew and stopped because of it, why didn't you adjust your methodology? I can't imagine it's very satisfying to do something you know is the wrong way

You sound so sarcastic, do you not actually appreciate my advice?

i doubt youll find any, my regions are pretty far away from you, and that's a long distance for a worm to travel. But it's worth a try, creatures can travel surprising distances sometimes

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> I mean I stopped working on the restoration project entirely.

<BVQT> I do appreciate your advice I just

<BVQT> It feels as if it came out of nowhere.

<BVQT> I see. That would make sense. Though I do vaguely recall Goldy claiming to have a crab from your regions?

[eternally-anomalous]

So is the project discontinued?

..I can helpful sometimes. I'm not just about stabbing animals and cyberbullying children, you know.

Yes. That's because those nuisances we so generously call scavengers took it out and took it all the way to goldies regions

Another reason to fix my wall..

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> No. Tabby is now heading the project with Winter as her co-lead. I have simply stepped down.

<BVQT> Gods know I was doing more harm than good.

<BVQT> Right. I will choose to believe that.

<BVQT> I see. And I will assume Sunrise will be helping with those repairs? He did say he was working on some large project right before he left.

[eternally-anomalous]

Winter. He knows nothing about the proper maintenance of regions. He certainly shouldn't be second in common of that project

..You don't have to choose to believe the truth

That's right, he's going to help me with repairs

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...That does not sound like the Winter I have known.

<BVQT> He holds great respect for these regions and has converted his entire can into a reserve for native wildlife. He was the one who started this entire thing and I only lead it due to my at the time great power over everyone else. He only does not lead the project now because Tabby is more familiar with the creatures themselves and he trusts her enough to follow her lead.

<BVQT> Are you sure we are speaking of the same man? Winter's Monsoon?

<BVQT> Of course.

<BVQT> I am very glad to hear that Sunrise will be helping you. As long as he is not pushing himself too far I permit it.

[eternally-anomalous]

Maybe he's good for your regions, but he shouldn't to force his little ideals of what's right or wrong with how to manage mine on me

He knows nothing about my ecosystem and he shouldn't yell at me about my management of my ecosystems just because he thought something I did was a little harsh.

ill make sure sunrise takes care of himself while helping me. He's not allowed to sacrifice his well-being for mine

-eternal anomaly

[oceanremnants]

<BVQT> ...Ah. Of course. He must have been upset y your insistence on destroying modified creatures.

<BVQT> Right.

<BVQT> Thank you. For taking care of Sunrise.

[oceanremnants]

<TSF> uh

<TSF> respectfully,

<TSF> who, the hell, allowed monsoon, direct access, to our inbox?

<TSF> and, why? the hell? did this happen?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Monsoon?

<APIS> ...I'm gonna assume you don't mean, like, our Monsoon???????????????????

[oceanremnants]

<TSF> n no;;;

<TSF> quickly forgotten, monsoon,

<TSF> from, the sky group? our, surviving neighbors.

<TSF> someone, let it access, our anonymous inbox, thing,

[oceanremnants]

<TSF> uh

<TSF> respectfully,

<TSF> who, the hell, allowed monsoon, direct access, to our inbox?

<TSF> and, why? the hell? did this happen?

[oceanremnants]

<APIS> Monsoon?

<APIS> ...I'm gonna assume you don't mean, like, our Monsoon???????????????????

[oceanremnants]

<TSF> uh

<TSF> respectfully,

<TSF> who, the hell, allowed monsoon, direct access, to our inbox?

<TSF> and, why? the hell? did this happen?