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offended by a movie I've never watched💀

As far as the vast majority of adults are concerned, they have nothing substantial to complain about shame. A movie full of overweight lazy and "degenerate" people, whether it is the "substantial" meddling of the subject (as opposed to the "insubstantial" meddling of the accusation itself), or the fact that the movie does not emphasize the relevant health issues and the specific meaning of hard work, but instead puts too much psychological pressure on people in a too graphic way, or the fact that the movie elevates specific issues to the level of character, implies the value of difficulties for character improvement, rather than trying to study the extent to which the future situation it imagines can accept these degenerate things as are, and letting go of the consideration of character improvement, it is the children who are forced to receive the accusation and questioning of degeneracy, and it is also the children who will be disciplined more harshly by those inspired by the movie.

As to why this film, rather than other works of art, has caused so much offense, it may be that audiences feel that the form of the animated film they like has been used for themes or warnings they feel betrayed about, and that people who don't like these themes or warnings have also "betrayed" themselves by being attracted to beautiful, interesting and sophisticated animation. Please allow me to use the word "betray" loosely here, to mean a meaning I hope is understandable.

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If you are opposed to the school but want to err on the side of caution and try a more lenient school and find that the child shows more anger, this should not be seen as a failure of the argument against the school. The more lenient school gives the child more opportunities to oppose the school, the anger they show is on the same page as your opposition to the school, and their increased disobedience is behavior in the same direction as your attempt at the more lenient school. The point here is that if you continue to persist in your opposition to schools and place your children in environments where there are no mandatory schools, they may not show as much anger or disobedience toward their parents or non-mandatory schools. Assuming you wish to abolish one government and replace it with another, but push for progressive reforms to be on the safe side, and the current government eases up on the crackdown, that's certainly a reason for you to take advantage of the opportunity to continue to abolish that government, not a reason for you to be self-doubting. If a more lenient school turns you around to the idea that there is no need to abolish it, that is a valid line of thinking, but the increase in child disobedience that results from a more lenient school is not a valid line of thinking for you to abandon your opposition to the school.

The reasoning here is that if you were originally in favor of more lenient schools, then the increase in the child's disobedience is arguably a reason for you to doubt your support for more lenient schools. You should tell your child that these disobediences are changing your mind, and if they decrease them, then you don't have to worry about your support for more lenient schools. However, if your original support was for no-mandatory schools, then an increase in your child's disobedience at the more lenient school is not a reason for you to withdraw your support for no-mandatory schools.

In other words, if you're against the school and your child is against the school, then that doesn't mean he's against you. If you are against strict schools and in favor of lax schools, and your child is against not only strict schools but also lax schools, then he is against you.

Of course there is also the view that even though you object to your child’s school, you also object to your child’s disobedience. In other words, “Even if I object, you shouldn’t object!” One of the things worth noting about this view is that this is assholery. Another thing worth noting about this view is that even if you insist on this position, you can tell your child, “Don’t disobey the teacher, or I will discipline you. If you don’t disobey the teacher, I will put you in a place that is even more lenient than this place,” rather than just thinking that your approval of a more lenient place is wrong.

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I realize that the West is also in danger. The use of police to enforce compulsory education is dangerous. It is dangerous to put a truant child in prison, and if he does not study, handcuff his hands to an iron pipe so that he can only stand half bent over. It's hard to imagine this happening in countries where 60 and 70 year olds are having gay sex on porn websites.

I am also a truant child. I am only a few years older than them. I skipped half of my classes in college, and the classes were nothing more than an average of three hours a day. I was in graduate school, and my application for a long break was almost a year late, and the “reason” section was made up. I do some AI annotation and English-to-Chinese translation work on a freelance basis. I wake up at random times and rarely get up early for work. I frequently just indulge in YouTube for days on end when I think I should be working, and many times at work I just remember an orgasm and immediately start masturbating and have an orgasm a few minutes later.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Ask_Lawyers/comments/s7fw4u/what_happens_if_a_kid_utterly_refuses_to_go_to/ idk if this is real it's referring to the us, i think i actually found pages that said children cannot be sent to jail for skipping school However, if what's on this page is true - which isn't necessarily the case, it's not uncommon for adults to scare rebellious children online Then I'm more than just a rebellious kid. I'd also be an anarchist. At this point, being punished by parents leaves the last of human dignity, while being sent to jail by the government for truancy, or even being handcuffed to a table and forced to study takes away the last of human dignity. This is not necessarily true. It could just be people on the internet scaring kids. I really hope they are just scaring kids. If not, I have to tell the kids not to give in. Don't cooperate, even if you're being leaned on the table, because that's a way of telling them that the matter is moot and that you will win in the end.

So I went looking for people on the internet to talk about it. I looked for an anarcho-capitalist forum and found that they didn't care about mitigating the discipline children were subjected to, it was more like they thought the government had taken away their freedom to discipline their children, and then neither took a stand against discipline nor against discipline unless it's extremely light, while still pursuing avoiding spoiling, character enhancement, and socialization of children and all that stuff. I went straight to searching for rebellious children and found a bunch of pictures of scary looking teenagers, which is absolutely not wrong, but not helpful. I went to an anti-school forum, which seemed to be populated mostly by kids, and posted a bunch of posts about how such-and-such teacher at such-and-such school thought the kids were being disciplined too harshly, and then criticizing the teacher for finally being “in the shadows of anti-school” but still not anti-school, which was obviously looking for adult validation, just as I am, but it came across so clearly that it's hard to say those could alienate the heart of someone who is truly rebellious and riddled with imposed shame. I found a (left-wing) anarchist forum that didn't talk a lot about the issue of children being disciplined, but seemed somewhat hopeful, so I tried to post there, but the posts were deleted as soon as I posted, although they probably weren't the ones who deleted them; it seemed that my account as a whole was constantly failing to post everywhere on the platform. The conclusion is that I'll have to continue my spamming, no one else on the internet can be counted on.

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Criticizing “happy education” is politically correct for the Chinese, but I don't even like the term. Literally, the term is neither anti-coercion, rules and punishment, nor anti-school, and seems to imply that teachers and schools should emphasize the entertainment aspect of learning, but it doesn't say anything about whether or not to punish children if they still don't follow the rules, or whether or not truancy should be more permitted. It could be argued that the word is not radical enough where it counts, but it is “radical” where it doesn't, making a convenient target for Chinese government propaganda and conservatives around the world. That said, I don't seem to have seen the term particularly popular in the “West”, rather it's the propagandists of the Chinese government and the conservative masses they lead that mention it more often to criticize it.

对“快乐教育”的批判是中国人的政治正确，但我甚至不喜欢这个词。从字面上来看，这个词既不反强迫、规则和惩罚，又不反学校，似乎是在暗示老师和学校应该注重学习内容的娱乐性，但对于如果孩子还是不守规矩要不要惩罚他们，以及逃学是否应当更加被允许此类事情并未提及。可以说从字面上来看这个词在关键的地方不够激进，但在不关键的地方反倒“激进”，给中国政府的宣传和世界各国的保守主义者们立了个方便的靶子。话说回来，我似乎没见着这个词在“西方”特别流行，反倒是中国政府的宣传家们和他们带领的保守主义大众提得多，以作批评之用。

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How obliged is man to make his peers obedient and even fearful? Does our awareness of this matter mean that we can stop pressuring each other at the request of adults?

Or will this be another reason and opportunity we use to convince ourselves to obey, and do we seize it freely, or do we convince ourselves to accept when we are powerless to change?

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An approximation is that the major difference between conservative and liberal conceptions of time is that conservatives emphasize addiction and character, in other words, “the less you work, the less you want to work,” and “developing good habits,” whereas liberals confine the matter of time-saving to the things themselves --The cost of playing with a cell phone is the time wasted playing with the cell phone itself, not “corrupting habits” and “leading to corruption” (In fact, in order to squeeze in more cell phone time, liberals will treat each second of each cell phone play as a separate matter (though not completely denying their connection) rather than judging the playing cell phone thing as a whole), whereas in the matter of work, the value of the thing itself is considered to be the full value of the work, and if the thing itself is not useful, or if there is a more efficient way (in terms of its own value) of doing the thing, then naturally it will not be claimed that someone else should do it, or reject the “more efficient” way of doing it, in order to maintain the good habits and improve the character, but rather it will be seen as an opportunity to play on the cell phone.

一个近似是，保守派和自由派在时间观念上的重大差异在于，保守派强调成瘾和品格，换句话说，“越不干活越不想干活”以及“培养好习惯”，而自由派把节约时间一事局限于事情本身——玩手机的代价在于浪费了玩手机本身的时间，而不在于“败坏了习惯”“走向了堕落”（事实上，为了挤出更多玩手机的时间，自由派会把每一次玩手机中的每一秒当作单独事项来看待（虽然不完全否认它们的关联），而不把玩手机一事视作整体进行评判），而就工作而言，事情本身的价值被视为事情的全部价值，如果一件事本身没有用，或者有就其本身价值而言更有效率的做法，那么自然是不会声张要别人去做，或者拒绝“更有效率”的做法，来维持好习惯、提升品格，而是将其视为玩手机的机会。

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Death threats have to be legalized or how do people get back at the teachers who disciplined them?

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He once questioned a man with the following words. Did you do terrible things to yourself as a child, or does being punished to do something with no hope of escape carry the same emotional weight for you as doing it as a job with theoretical hope of escape? Also, I don't know what job you do. If you work in an office, how many times do you need to copy the company regulations if you stand up? Are you afraid that if you don't finish copying by the specified date, you will have to copy the company regulations every day for the next few months, and will you be beaten if you quit? I didn't know how to answer his question. Or rather, I certainly wasn't the one who should face his questioning, but I was proud of my boy's questioning and ashamed of other adults.

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a piece of rebellious sound

If you, maybe because of insensitivity to shame or approval, or for some other reason, think, “There's no other way for children to escape anyway, so I'd rather have them fend for themselves,” and in turn seem to support treating them strictly and harshly, then I don't see how you're “intrinsically unruly and rebellious”. If you hate the discipline imposed on you, but when you were a child you just said to yourself and your peers “I can't get away with this anyway, so I'm going to say I support it,” and then after you stopped being a child you supported, or said you supported what you hated, on the grounds that you wanted children to fend for themselves, then your “intrinsical unruliness and rebelliousness” is actually killed by yourself, and is actually a dried-up corpse hanging on the cloud of your fantasy.

如果你，或许是因为对羞耻或认同不敏感，或许是因为其他原因，心想“反正孩子也没有其他办法逃离，不如要他们自力更生”，然后反过来似乎支持严厉对待他们，那么我看不到你是怎么“本质上不羁而叛逆”的。如果你憎恨别人强加于你的管教，但是个孩子时只是对自己和同龄人说“我无论如何都无法逃离，所以我要说我支持这些管教”，不再是孩子之后又以要孩子自力更生为由支持你憎恨的东西，或者说你“支持那些管教”这样的话，那么你的“本质上的不羁而叛逆”实际上被你自己杀死了，你所谓的“不羁和叛逆”实际上只是干瘪的尸体，吊死在你幻想的云上。

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I don't think it's wrong for a child to get a job to support themselves in order to gain freedom. For some kids there is no other way for them to gain freedom. For example, if you are punished to write 5,000 words criticizing yourself, and you say 500 words is enough, why do I need so much, they will ask you to write 10,000 words for lack of respect and then question “don't you know the way and reason/rationality of learning how to be a human being?” The point is to say that there is nothing else you can do at such times, and when there is nothing else, the second best becomes the best.

I'm a little surprised that child labor laws in the West seem so strict. I was originally thinking that Westerners wouldn't be that strict with their children, and with the relatively good economic conditions in the West, few people would actively want their children to work and cause them to understudy, while the possibility of child labor is a way of threatening adults not to be harsh with them for those who are being harshly disciplined.

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I had tears in my eyes as my submissive was tied to the bed.

Without food and shelter, and relying only on the police, what kind of control do parents have over the children? If the police do not help parents find runaway children, and parents control the children purely through food and shelter, what kind of control will parents have over the children?

There is a threat of punishment for running away… Before you run away you feel like you have to come back after a short period of time, but you might get punished for running away, or they ask you to complete the homework you missed while you were running away, which is pretty scary…

But parents may also be more lenient after the child comes back because they fear the child runs away again. this is really full of strategy and rigging…

This is why the child’s persistence is important. If the child is persistent enough, the parents may have to go easy on him… This also includes the school. The principal first persuaded the child who wanted to commit suicide to come down from the roof, and then began to punish the child. If the child is persistent enough and continues to threaten suicide, the principal will not dare to do so.

This kind of thing mainly happens in the form of mental hospitals locking children up in mental hospitals at the request of their parents, sometimes tying them to beds. In China, it also often happens in the form of teachers punishing students who attempt suicide by making them write apologies or holding a school-wide meeting to criticize them.

The more the principal criticizes and punishes the child who attempted suicide, the more you should do the same. Criticism and punishment are manifestations of fear of losing control; you are not far from being free.

As for the child himself, I don’t know why he gave up on another suicide attempt. Maybe he became a better boy as they said, maybe he was worried about the prospect of being locked up in a mental hospital, or maybe he was promised a more lenient discipline in private, even though he was asked to apologize publicly and attend a school assembly to criticize himself.

If you do not intend to exercise such power over your child, you should give him clear assurances that you will not punish him or put him in a mental institution for attempting suicide. This means that you run the risk that your child will fake suicide to escape discipline, but even complete indulgence is still better than him feeling threatened by such power, and I (do ask but) am not asking you to give up all your power.

We live in a crazy world where parents need to make such promises to their children and refuse to make such promises to their children.

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In fact, typing is in many cases more tiring than writing the same words. The fact that people choose to type rather than write is inseparable from the fact that people are forced to write as children to complete notes, homework, and to copy things as punishment, write self-critical essays, and so on.

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If children pretend to be weak, can they escape being spanked? These are promising truancy tactics, aren't they? You must try them.

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fuck it

Don’t ask them to stand up as punishment or a gesture or ritual to respect rules, or a powerful move to say, 'If I want you to stand up, you will stand up.'

Even if it's something like stickers, a grading scale that doesn't involve punishment, and inspirational quotes in the exercise book, you have to know that he didn't agree to any of that and wouldn't dare refuse the stickers, stay out of the grading, or cut out the inspirational quotes.

And you can't say that this has been the gentlest of coercion. It's not, because you haven't asked him if he thinks there's anything gentler, and you haven't given him permission to refuse to engage in that sometimes. You are far from being able to say that something is already the gentlest when you haven't tried and been doing these things.

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Schools sometimes tend to exaggerate stories of rebellious truant children being beaten daily or even incarcerated in mental hospitals in an attempt to discourage and scare you away from the idea of truancy and, in some cases, to make you overestimate your parents' determination to discipline you harshly. In fact, even if you run away from home and are beaten every time you have to go back to get food, this still does not prevent you from seeking to continue running away from home (for example, every day) in an attempt to influence your parents to discipline you more leniently.

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Sex is like a fortress of the mind. Whenever the teacher who disciplines you says you (or your classmates collectively) are talking too much and not doing enough, rambling but not learning and developing character enough, you can masturbate and give yourself an orgasm. Some would say orgasms are addictive, but since you're enjoying it now, you might as well not worry about whether or not you're controlled by them. Go look at porn sites, go look at the sixty and seventy year olds there, and from their presence on the site indirectly get a little validation from the adults.

They will betray you. That sixty or seventy year old probably disciplines children too, even somewhat harshly, even more harshly than you are in, and claims that discipline is the way not to betray. They will betray you.