Poppy and Zena are Predatory

Name is Heloise | Archive of Poppy and Zena's hypocritical and predatory behavior (+Lily Orchard). Warning for CSA, Incest, COCSA, and Romantic Abuse

[poppyandzena]

ATTENTION

To get the housekeeping out of the way, I am not affiliated with Zena & Poppy and their social media accounts. I have never been personally victimized by either party as of writing this. I have never had a personal relationship with them.

This blog is for recordkeeping and accountability. Everything on here is considered alleged. As the circumstances surrounding Zena & Poppy become more dire and there is a higher risk of emotional or reputational injury towards victims, I may have to withhold/redact information posted onto here. Bear in mind that I have privately monitored and archived public posts relevant to Zena & Poppy’s conduct. While light can be the best disinfectant against problematic people, the comfort and safety of the victims take precedence.

This blog does not tag trigger warnings. You will find relevant triggers in the bio. If certain posts are especially triggering, I may put a community label on them. I do not encourage minors to interact with the content of this blog.

Do not badger anyone involved in this situation, especially Zena & Poppy. I do not recommend confronting them directly. It is a waste of time, and distant documentation is the safest and most productive approach. Anonymous messages are made public at my discretion, and I do not encourage ad hominem attacks or unsubstantiated rumors. Please let me know if I have posted inaccurate information, and it will be swiftly corrected.

Below is a drive of screenshotted public posts from Zena & Poppy’s accounts. It is not complete but has infrequent updates depending on how safe it is for the victims involved in the posts. I am also providing very helpful links to give more context. My posts are tagged with the people involved for your convenience.

Thank you,

Heloise 🧡

GOOGLE DRIVE OF SCREENSHOTS (INCOMPLETE)

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TAG OF INFO AND TESTIMONY OF POPPY'S CHILD DETAILING THEIR EXPERIENCE (SPAWN)

FULL ABUSIVE HYPOCRITES DOC HUB

GOOGLE DOC OF POPPY AND ZENA'S ABUSE OF THEIR KID

GOOGLE DOC OF POPPY AND ZENA'S ABUSE OF NOEHFLAKE

FULL VOD OF LUXANDER'S COVERAGE OF PZ'S ABUSE

A GUIDE TO SAFELY LEAVING "THE FOUNDATION" (PZ DISCORD SERVER).

SUBSTACK ARTICLE OF DUSK'S (FKA NIGHTWYLD) EXPERIENCE IN "THE FOUNDATION"

GOOGLE DOC OF SAIGE ALEXIS' EXPERIENCE WITH PZ (EX GIRLFRIEND)

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BLOG BY CIARA RAYNE (VICTIM, FORMER FRIEND, MOD) + TWITTER

BLOG BY FORMER MOD OF ZENA & POPPY (KRIESE)

VIDEO AND DEVIANTART STATEMENT BY FORMER FOUNDATION MEMBER (NIGHTWYLD)

TAG OF TESTIMONY POSTS BY COURTNEY ORCHARD

CALLOUT THREAD BY DORMIYU (VICTIM, EX MEMBER)

STATEMENT BY BEYONDSAFEWORDS (EX CHANNEL CONTRIBUTOR)

CALLOUT THREAD BY VYRTHANDI (EX MUTUAL OF POPPY)

CALLOUT THREAD BY A FRIEND OF NOEHFLAKE (VICTIM, EX PARTNER)

CALLOUT THREAD BY GAYFESH (FORMER PZ COMMUNITY MEMBER)

COMMENT BY QUOLL (VICTIM, EX LOVE INTEREST)

ZENA & POPPY MASTERPOST BY MILENA (VICTIM, EX PARTNER)

More links will be provided as time goes on.

[fennec-speaks]

Fennec Doc II: Britt

@/britts-galaxy-brain (aka @/cybermagusnex) has no place saying that she's a safe space for victims or leading the charge against any alleged abusers. Here's why.

Fennec Doc II: Britt

Fennec Doc II:Britt Warning: This doc contains discussions of (in no order of importance) child sexual assault (CSA), racial slurs, transmi

Sorry it took so long. I wanted to make sure I did this right. Thank you for your patience.

[poppyandzena]

Ant is INCREDIBLY wrong. There are lots of things people can do to combat Lily Orchard and P&X and help get justice for her victims.

Donating funds to their victims to help improve their quality of life. And I mean DIRECTLY to the victims. Not to a charity in their names.

Sharing their testimony videos/documents and keeping their statements circulating in the public eye, so that more people know what happened.

Platforming the victims directly. Engaging in mutual aid. Reporting the offenders' content whenever it's used to harrass or harm the victims. Defend against accusations of Victim Blaming to that the victims themselves don't have to.

These things may not be perfect, but they are in fact things people can do. And they're not even that hard.

Helping the victims is also often covert as well, often "boring" in terms of lack of publicity. It takes a lot of patience and discipline to do it. It takes listening by ear at every step. It doesn't even need to be public gestures of support, especially if a victim chooses not to identify themselves. I think revenue, attention, and content engagement are what can spoil a movement that should be survivor-first. I think endless bickering over Lily's media takes is doing a legitimate harm. It gives Lily endless engagement to springboard her influence and adds more noise to what should be a very simple "Lily is a predatory person who should not be interacted with" message. It's like dedicating your air time to mostly talk about Trump's business decisions than his connection with Epstein. I don't care about Lily's writing advice. She's scum of the earth. It's clogging up her SEO when her sins should be top search result.

I think making money off of pumping out Lily content when you are not a victim of her is a steep decline to abandoning your original motives of showing people how bad she is.

[poppyandzena]

Will you ever consider posting about other actively abusive online creators?

With this blog? Not likely unless they are in Poppy and Zena's circle. It would muddy the blog. If I find an online creator so uniquely abhorrent as PZ + lack of coverage on said creator then I might feel compelled to make a new blog. However I currently don't feel that motivation.

[pristineblades]

i know i said my pets were a dash cleanser but like i genuinely am scared for the young trans girls all this pro pedo talk this is going to affect because all this will accomplish is just creating more traumatized trans women.

girls, you do not have to tolerate the presence of pedophiles in order to have community. i promise this is not the only way to have community. these people do not have your best interests in mind. if they did, they would not be anywhere in the proximity of children to begin with and they would not publicly talk about their attraction to minors. they would be in therapy getting help. if an adult tries to tell you that you can only trust their one particular group of trans women, find another group of trans women. if an adult tries to tell you that you're their best friend and they'll kill themselves without you, get away from them as quickly as possible and do not look back and do not feel guilty. these are grooming tactics to try and isolate you. these adults know better and it is not on you to try and help them. you are allowed to put yourself first. you are allowed to set boundaries and say no. and i promise you there are trans adults who will respect you and will work to keep you safe because we don't tolerate pedophiles either

[poppyandzena]

If you were to make content of your own (not just stuff like music, craft, & such), what might you first turn to making?

Perhaps commentary regarding mental health, niche history that still has its effect on us like the Satanic Panic. Perhaps an artist representing my mental health journey. I've been very frightened of doing anything of the sort for two reasons: I've seen the rise and fall of many creators within those genres, some who deserved condemnation and those who didn't. And because I am my harshest critic and I believe money and meeting a demand would suck the creative spirit out of me. A part of me is incredibly overconfident and is a great yapper, but I'd rather be quiet and absorb than say something terribly incorrect because I wasn't informed enough. Some people aren't built to be public figures, and I think maturity is recognizing that you are not built for it.

[poppyandzena]

It's become increasingly obvious that I'm expected to treat the people I've covered as characters instead of the human beings they are that have either committed horrific acts, been victimized, or both. I don't have the motivation to turn this blog into content slop where I nitpick about Lily Orchard's media takes or Poppy's pointless, thirsty ass interactions on Bluesky or whatever is being talked about.

Perhaps my anger is misplaced. I've been pushed into a lot of "character progression" myself within the last two months. I have a job and bills to pay. What is a genuine issue, however, is the lack of priorities I'm seeing in the LO-Critical sphere. It feels like people are being incentivized to talk about pointless, fandom-like shit about these deplorable people just so they have something to talk about. The noise to signal ratio of information is fucked. If I'm allowed to be so bold, it's given Lily ample room to get away with the criminal and borderline criminal shit she has done because the SEO on her name is clogged with stupid fucking discourse.

I'm not any authority on this space and I'm not going to claim to be more capable or mature than anyone else. I'm exhausted. The state of the world is awful. In the beginning I would have enjoyed taking the piss, but I'm so, so tired. I'm deleting asks about Lily Orchard and blocking if need be. Get off my lawn, please. Come back to me if Lily has been arrested or anything similar.

[agramuglia]

Here's the real problem: no one on the internet can actually do anything about Lily's real crimes. The closest anyone can do are those she sent false copyright strikes to (like me), and even that ultimately didn't amount to much when I tried.

The only person who can is Courtney Peet, who.... clearly isn't. So that's kinda it. The best people can do is argue the fandom stuff because it might reduce her influence and draw people away from her circle, which prevents future harm being done.

But that's kinda all that CAN be done. And if you think that sucks.... you're right. It absolutely does. But there's also not much else that can really be done by random people online.

[poppyandzena]

I'm not asking for someone to try to strong arm the police or swat Lily. Obviously I want any legal investigation to be done in good faith. Respectfully, I believe all this fandom arguing is clogging up the tags and making Lily out to be just an annoying asshole and not a legitimate threat. I understand trying to diminish her influence. She's eating y'all up because the only thing she's good at is diversion and prolonging a useless conversation. And while I'm not going to place any blame on the fractures in the LO-Critical community, it's clear to me, at least, that whatever is going on is turning counter-productive.

I try to approach this from the perspective of a normie, or a potential Lily Orchard fan, or just someone vulnerable who could look upon this and develop an impression that the Anti-LO sphere did not intend. I'm speaking of optics.

I don't intend to have a debate in the replies because I've made my point, and I can agree to disagree at the end of the day. You can make your rebuttals and I will read them. From what I can remember you're not malicious. I get you're not here to "come at me." I'm just... disappointed and dejected at what I've been seeing.

[poppyandzena]

I hope youre having an ok day. Im sorry the other asks are..... y'know, it makes no sense cause youre not even a Lorch blog? Like what????

I'm safe and fed and warm and not in a crisis. I just want to make that clear. I've mentioned here that I was in therapy for five years. I always wanted to return to it, but I made excuses to hold off. Come January I discovered more about my mental health that was a no-brainer in hindsight, but in the moment was a painful trial to come to terms with. I encourage everybody to go to therapy at least once to see if it can help with your goals. The reality of going to therapy means that you have to learn to be uncomfortable without resolve or dissociation, or learn how to feel emotions that are inconvenient and scary to you. If it sounds like I've changed, I technically have and will continue to. Progress is not very pretty, not at this stage.

I've nearly 100% checked out of anything to do with LO. I already know she's a piece of shit and should be in prison. If anyone wants to actually understand who Lily Orchard is, watch Joon the King's video. It cuts out the fandom fat and dives into her allegations. I'm waiting for some form of justice to be had in that sphere.

I just getting so annoyed and confused when I'm asked about the Peet family as if they're soap opera characters to assign TV Tropes to. These are abusers and victims and alleged rapists and groomers and all-around traumatized people. If I'm receiving asks on the daily about Lilstory or whatever the fuck—me, the owner of a currently-quiet blog warning about Zena and Poppy—then it makes me question what is being prioritized in the wider LO conversation. It makes me think we have long lost the plot about her.

I don't have a solution and you can take my bitching with a grain of salt. As I said, I'm distant from LO Critical. Maybe tangible justice is currently in the works and I'm just not around to see it. Maybe Lily will get her proper comeuppance. My expectations are six feet under, but the possibility is never 0.

I may as well just be this guy right now—

[poppyandzena]

It's become increasingly obvious that I'm expected to treat the people I've covered as characters instead of the human beings they are that have either committed horrific acts, been victimized, or both. I don't have the motivation to turn this blog into content slop where I nitpick about Lily Orchard's media takes or Poppy's pointless, thirsty ass interactions on Bluesky or whatever is being talked about.

Perhaps my anger is misplaced. I've been pushed into a lot of "character progression" myself within the last two months. I have a job and bills to pay. What is a genuine issue, however, is the lack of priorities I'm seeing in the LO-Critical sphere. It feels like people are being incentivized to talk about pointless, fandom-like shit about these deplorable people just so they have something to talk about. The noise to signal ratio of information is fucked. If I'm allowed to be so bold, it's given Lily ample room to get away with the criminal and borderline criminal shit she has done because the SEO on her name is clogged with stupid fucking discourse.

I'm not any authority on this space and I'm not going to claim to be more capable or mature than anyone else. I'm exhausted. The state of the world is awful. In the beginning I would have enjoyed taking the piss, but I'm so, so tired. I'm deleting asks about Lily Orchard and blocking if need be. Get off my lawn, please. Come back to me if Lily has been arrested or anything similar.

[poppyandzena]

Out of all the trolls in Lilistory, what trolls would fit under the alignment chart slots the most cleanly or neatly?

Dude... I don't fucking care abt that

[poppyandzena]

Looking at the unpleasant truth that Cameron is only Lily & Courtney's maternal half brother, is it possible their mother is the one who poisoned the well the most?

Dude, I can tell you're the same guy sending me asks. I don't know what fixation you have on the Peet family tree, but I am not the person to have any knowledge or insight on a family you frankly have no business being nosy in. I've covered Lily within the scope of her interactions with Poppy and Zena. Even if I was a Lily a-logger, the questions I have received over the course of months have become invasive and inappropriate.

I have half a mind to believe these questions are being asked in bad faith to trick me into tripping into whatever drama is happening in that sphere. If that isn't the case, and these questions are being asked of me without ulterior motives, then you still need to examine yourself as to why you are so hellbent on my opinion on Lily and Courtney's mother, father, brother, second cousin twice removed—whatever. If you are asking these questions to anyone else, then I ask you to stop.

The answer to these questions is I don't give a shit. The only reason I'm answering this ask out of all the others I delete from my inbox is because I believe you may be sending asks like these to other people, potentially victims of the Peet family. I'm not going to bother to check either way. Take a chill pill, please. Read a really good book or something.

[poppyandzena]

Do you believe Courtney is a victim of lily still?

Yep. I don't have any issue still believing that.

[poppyandzena]

Taking a look a Hidden's associates, they are associated LioConvoy, if you know who that is, and his group so heads up if they start looking at you if they go to war with Britt.

I know this because they did it a friend of mine years back from trying to defend someone from harassment and they turned on her.

Just giving you advance warning just incase they start screwing with you.

Yeah, I'll be okay. I don't have any closeness with any of them involved. I personally think Lio is a fool for inviting Courtney into his panopticon of a server, and I think he is a manchild in general. I haven't had any close connection with Britt either. I don't have any formed opinion on Hidden, but I appreciate the hard work and diligence that went into the Courtney video, and I hope she remains diligent and hard working on this subject.

There's a lot of stuff in the video about Courtney that simultaneously surprised me and yet didn't at all. Relying on children for emotional regulation and encouraging them to see you as a parent replacement is irresponsible, selfish, and immoral. I refuse to debate anyone on that.

[poppyandzena]

With the most recent Courtney stuff out, if she & Lily really do have agnate (paternal half) siblings from a previous marriage (which is very possible), would you at all blame them for not wanting to talk about their dad even if he's somewhat better of a family adult than his second wife in Lily & Courtney's mum?

I'm sorry I don't get why that would be any of my business.

[poppyandzena]

Hey, happy holidays. There’s a new video out about Courtney. Just a heads-up that you’re mentioned in it.

The Courtney Peet Compendium - Victim(izer)?

Merry Christmas, @Pleasetiemyshoes .Timestamps:00:00:00 Introduction00:02:25 Who Is Courtney Peet?00:04:27 Poppy and Zena00:21:50 Courtney’s

Sometimes I forget other people can notice me, LOL. I didn't work on the video, but Hidden didn't misrepresent my public testimony at least. It's a very comprehensive, level-headed piece.

[transpersian]

I need help.

Hi everyone. It's been a while. Things have been relatively quiet on the public front due to two ongoing lawsuits, one of which is Poppy suing me in Michigan, which she was able to do because she lumped Ruadhan into the defense with me.

Her allegations hold little to no water (down to what even qualifies it as a per se case), but I'm struggling to get an attorney because I'm still unemployed. I need to gather around $9000 to hire the attorney I found, so please share this around and donate if you can.

Thanks, everyone. I appreciate you.

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[poppyandzena]

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