Had to be Done

What were you hoping to find here though?

[reckoningandretribution]

Abusive Figures in This Community

I suppose this is a PSA of sorts.

[EDIT 8/13: This document has been updated to a revised, more concise edition.]

@psychicterrain (aka Nova), @woolhaven-defender (aka Genrefluid), and @strawberryCheesecakeHare are manipulative liars that have been engaging in racist behavior, stalking, spreading rumors, and harassing me and my friend. They are weaponizing the narrative they fabricated to ostracize us from the community and, because of the nature of their false accusations, other people have taken it upon themselves to take punitive actions against us.

I can't believe I've been told to kill myself because some random, chronically-online adults didn't like our interpretation of Woolhaven. And yet, here we are lol.

This behavior is not only toxic and unnecessary, it's dangerous. Had their attention been directed to someone that was younger, or had poor mental health, or just having a bad time in life, they could've driven someone to hurt themselves or worse. Over. A video game.

Nova and Genrefluid are being enabled and protected by their circle, allowing them to do and say whatever they please—no matter how racist, or harmful, or incorrect.

Nova has since decided that they're going to be the "bigger person" after calling us nazis, cropping and sharing our posts to be mocked and misrepresented, blowing up my inbox with borderline incomprehensible babbling, and otherwise ruining our fandom experience for half the year. Genrefluid has opted to play dumb and simply deny anything ever happening despite being the origin of many of the rumors. And their circle is practically patting them on the fucking back for it, all while perpetuating the lies their buddies made up without asking for an inkling of proof.

So we gathered all the proof ourselves.

Not quite all of it has been transcribed as of posting this, but I'm tired of sitting on it. I'm tired of all of this. I spent a long time trying to clarify my points and trying to figure out what these people's problem is privately. And it was a waste of energy.

They aren't confused, there's no misunderstanding, and they Do Not Care about combatting racism or white supremacy, as much as they keep claiming to.

They're just abusers who found targets the community finds acceptable to harm. And "racism" is their scapegoat.

[reckoningandretribution]

Abusive Figures in This Community

I suppose this is a PSA of sorts.

@psychicterrain (aka Nova), @woolhaven-defender (aka Genrefluid), and @strawberryCheesecakeHare are manipulative liars that have been engaging in racist behavior, stalking, spreading rumors, and harassing me and my friend. They are weaponizing the narrative they fabricated to ostracize us from the community and, because of the nature of their false accusations, other people have taken it upon themselves to take punitive actions against us.

I can't believe I've been told to kill myself because some random, chronically-online adults didn't like our interpretation of Woolhaven. And yet, here we are lol.

This behavior is not only toxic and unnecessary, it's dangerous. Had their attention been directed to someone that was younger, or had poor mental health, or just having a bad time in life, they could've driven someone to hurt themselves or worse. Over. A video game.

Nova and Genrefluid are being enabled and protected by their circle, allowing them to do and say whatever they please—no matter how racist, or misogynistic, or harmful, or incorrect.

This circle includes (but is not limited to):

@lamb-kind , @nanabestgirl , @uas-art , @taydarowletenthusiast , @woolhaven-fan , and @cultofthe-lamb-confessions

Nova has since decided that they're going to be the "bigger person" after calling us neo-nazis, cropping and sharing our posts to be mocked and misrepresented, blowing up my inbox with racist and borderline incomprehensible babbling, and otherwise ruining our fandom experience for half the year. Genrefluid has opted to play dumb and simply deny anything ever happening despite being the origin of many of the rumors. And their circle is practically patting them on the fucking back for it, all while perpetuating the lies their buddies made up without asking for an inkling of proof.

So we gathered all the proof ourselves.

Not quite all of it has been transcribed as of posting this, but I'm tired of sitting on it. I'm tired of all of this. I spent a long time trying to clarify my points and trying to figure out what these people's problem is privately. And it was a waste of energy.

They aren't confused, there's no misunderstanding, and they Do Not Care about combatting racism or white supremacy, as much as they keep claiming to.

They're just abusers who found targets the community finds acceptable to harm. And "racism" is their scapegoat.

[taydarowletenthusiast]

I've read this doc about 3 times now to understand (to some degree) where the authors are coming from. But from what I've seen, they leave a lot of messages on their end not visible. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but this is a big flaw in the doc. Please keep this in mind if you ever decide you want to out another 30 people you don't like the tone of.

In making a callout document like this, or any callout online, you must be transparent on the situation. This doesn't mean show everything, but you show enough so no context is left out. I see a few messages where people responded to you in a message or reply that's just not visible, so your word isn't completely enough to go off of. I understand it might sound self-incriminating, but it has the opposite effect. By showing the entire interaction you have with the accused, you appear credible. It lets your readers see the allegations from their point of view and form their own conclusions, to your favor or not. That's how argumentation works. You'd be transparent AND visually admit to (if any) wrongdoings on your part, but still stand by your word.

But I digress. This wasn't what I originally made this reblog for.

This is part of the section titled "Character Coding." The author makes the claim that if people headcanon the WH lambs to be POC- despite them being "violent, selfish, and a literal disease on the earth" and creating the rot to kill everyone- is harmful and POC shouldn't be portrayed that way. I can see where they are coming from, but I must give my thoughts of the matter. They've been dunked on enough.

Now I'm not a genius, but I've had a similar conversation like this when I was in a lecture, and I think the authors would like this insight. This changed the way I wrote characters myself. It is perfectly okay to portray characters of color as villains, from minor petty villains to people that want to end the universe. Being a villain to any degree shouldn't be limited to only white people, as that perpetuates a harmful stereotype in of itself where POC can only be seen as "goodie-goodie and flawless" in storytelling and not as people like other characters. However, an instance of making a villain of color that IS harmful is if the story actively demonizes the fact that they ARE a POC and deems it as bad. That, without a doubt, is racism.

This isn't happening with the WH disciples. Yes, they plotted the end of the world, and it's selfish, but the fact that they're lambs is not demonized here. They are simply put in the wrong because, of course, plotting the end of the entire world by spreading the rot is BAD. Without a question it's BAD. Even if you're the disciples biggest fan, you can definitely see that doing something like this is horrible. Even with their trauma, even being victims of a genocide, them nearly ending the world and everyone in it is. Not good. But like I said, the devs aren't saying "auurgh the dastardly LAMBS are ending the world because they are LAMBS and being a LAMB means you support everybody dying!!!"

So there's nothing really stopping people from headcanoning these characters as POC. And I can see why they would, as a black person myself! But I won't discredit what they believe because it doesn't align with how I see the characters. POC can be horrible people. Characters that are portrayed to be POC can be too, and it's not racist to think this way.

My two cents are done. Do have a good day, whoever's reading this.

[reckoningandretribution]

The author makes the claim that if people headcanon the WH lambs to be POC So there's nothing really stopping people from headcanoning these characters as POC.

I actually didn't say this. Headcanon these stupid sheep however you want. The writer's intent is not headcanon, which is what the section is about. Since the claim is that Woolhaven is canonically some sort of allegory.

An allegory is not about any one singular character's actions. They're commentaries on real groups. So.

If the allegory is saying, "The lambs are a disease on this planet" -> "People of color are a disease on this planet.

If the allegory is saying, "The lambs hurt people because they are victims of tragedy" -> "People of color hurt people because they are victims of tragedy."

If the allegory is saying, "Lambs are violent and selfish" -> "People of color are violent and selfish."

If Woolhaven is an allegory, then the lambs actions and traits in the story are then representative of the group they're an allegory for. In this example, people of color. Ascribing these actions to people of color for no commentary purpose (considering the lambs just do all that and then the story ends) is just saying a bunch of negative stereotypes about people of color and walking away lol. That is racist.

That's not the same as a fictional character being a person of color, and happening to do bad things.

I also later say that headcanoning the characters one way or another is not problematic. Despite the many claims that calling Yngya or the lambs white is. Because these characters are devoid of any intentional racial coding.

[reckoningandretribution]

Abusive Figures in This Community

I suppose this is a PSA of sorts.

@psychicterrain (aka Nova), @woolhaven-defender (aka Genrefluid), and @strawberryCheesecakeHare are manipulative liars that have been engaging in racist behavior, stalking, spreading rumors, and harassing me and my friend. They are weaponizing the narrative they fabricated to ostracize us from the community and, because of the nature of their false accusations, other people have taken it upon themselves to take punitive actions against us.

I can't believe I've been told to kill myself because some random, chronically-online adults didn't like our interpretation of Woolhaven. And yet, here we are lol.

This behavior is not only toxic and unnecessary, it's dangerous. Had their attention been directed to someone that was younger, or had poor mental health, or just having a bad time in life, they could've driven someone to hurt themselves or worse. Over. A video game.

Nova and Genrefluid are being enabled and protected by their circle, allowing them to do and say whatever they please—no matter how racist, or misogynistic, or harmful, or incorrect.

This circle includes (but is not limited to):

@lamb-kind , @nanabestgirl , @uas-art , @taydarowletenthusiast , @woolhaven-fan , and @cultofthe-lamb-confessions

Nova has since decided that they're going to be the "bigger person" after calling us neo-nazis, cropping and sharing our posts to be mocked and misrepresented, blowing up my inbox with racist and borderline incomprehensible babbling, and otherwise ruining our fandom experience for half the year. Genrefluid has opted to play dumb and simply deny anything ever happening despite being the origin of many of the rumors. And their circle is practically patting them on the fucking back for it, all while perpetuating the lies their buddies made up without asking for an inkling of proof.

So we gathered all the proof ourselves.

Not quite all of it has been transcribed as of posting this, but I'm tired of sitting on it. I'm tired of all of this. I spent a long time trying to clarify my points and trying to figure out what these people's problem is privately. And it was a waste of energy.

They aren't confused, there's no misunderstanding, and they Do Not Care about combatting racism or white supremacy, as much as they keep claiming to.

They're just abusers who found targets the community finds acceptable to harm. And "racism" is their scapegoat.

[rubystudios-yt]

You all have been the ones harassing them, i genuinely dont see how you can't see that. i saw you guys before in the servers and you're absolutely fucking insane.

you went out of your way to bypass people who have blocked you in order to collect your "evidence" MONTHS after the incidents happened. you have mentioned numerous people who had absolutely nothing to do with this situation, showing people's full users while Nova and other's involved had been kind enough to hide yours anytime they did show screenshots from you guys so you wouldn't get harassed, but you couldn't have the same courtesy for people who weren't even involved.

I've been watching from the sidelines for the most part of this, Nova is my friend. Nova did not give a fuck about you guys after they blocked you, YOU are the ones making accusations and assuming that everyone against you was them. unlike you, they have a life outside of the Internet and genuinely did not care about what you had to say or do.

If anon asks genuinely were such a problem then you should turn them off. You neglected to include the actual reasons for why you got banned for in the official server and the reddit, such as blatant attacking people and arguing with everyone because YOU are the ones who can't see how others would have a different look on fictional characters. you are hiding the reason because you can't fathom the idiocy of your own actions and how they have affected others.

you also neglected to include how you two genuinely thought Nova was Jir and the following harassment and misgendering of Nova because of your own idiotic delusions.

Numerous people in the server and on the subreddit had called you out many times BEFORE going to the mods for help.

Your entire "document" with "evidence" is littered with constant hypocrisy and double standards. many nasty and cruel comments about people you dont know and about people YOU harassed. you keep asking everyone who is against you if they are the same people because you can't understand that other people would possibly be against you.

the fandom is hell because of people like you, not people like Nova. you claim to say that the doc is meant to tell the people involved to leave them alone but then go on many side tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with what you claim it's about as well as allowing room for harassment of people who had nothing to do with it because you apparently don't believe in hiding their usernames.

It genuinely is not that hard to block people and move on with your lives, instead you decide to continuously engage with what you consider harassment ans refusing to leave it alone.

you guys are sad and pathetic.

that is all i will say on this matter, i will not engage with any of you further than i already had as you only prove time and time again that it's like talking with a wall.

show your therapists this blog you made and the document and let them help you get through this instead of trying to make a PSA about someone who hadn't done anything other than call you out on your behavior.

[reckoningandretribution]

"you neglected to include" >lists multiple things that were, in fact, included in the doc.

Oh, and more lying. No one called us out on the Subreddit, because we weren't on it at the time? No one called us out anywhere. If it happened, weird there's absolutely no evidence of it?

[reckoningandretribution]

Abusive Figures in This Community

I suppose this is a PSA of sorts.

@psychicterrain (aka Nova), @woolhaven-defender (aka Genrefluid), and @strawberryCheesecakeHare are manipulative liars that have been engaging in racist behavior, stalking, spreading rumors, and harassing me and my friend. They are weaponizing the narrative they fabricated to ostracize us from the community and, because of the nature of their false accusations, other people have taken it upon themselves to take punitive actions against us.

I can't believe I've been told to kill myself because some random, chronically-online adults didn't like our interpretation of Woolhaven. And yet, here we are lol.

This behavior is not only toxic and unnecessary, it's dangerous. Had their attention been directed to someone that was younger, or had poor mental health, or just having a bad time in life, they could've driven someone to hurt themselves or worse. Over. A video game.

Nova and Genrefluid are being enabled and protected by their circle, allowing them to do and say whatever they please—no matter how racist, or misogynistic, or harmful, or incorrect.

This circle includes (but is not limited to):

@lamb-kind , @nanabestgirl , @uas-art , @taydarowletenthusiast , @woolhaven-fan , and @cultofthe-lamb-confessions

Nova has since decided that they're going to be the "bigger person" after calling us neo-nazis, cropping and sharing our posts to be mocked and misrepresented, blowing up my inbox with racist and borderline incomprehensible babbling, and otherwise ruining our fandom experience for half the year. Genrefluid has opted to play dumb and simply deny anything ever happening despite being the origin of many of the rumors. And their circle is practically patting them on the fucking back for it, all while perpetuating the lies their buddies made up without asking for an inkling of proof.

So we gathered all the proof ourselves.

Not quite all of it has been transcribed as of posting this, but I'm tired of sitting on it. I'm tired of all of this. I spent a long time trying to clarify my points and trying to figure out what these people's problem is privately. And it was a waste of energy.

They aren't confused, there's no misunderstanding, and they Do Not Care about combatting racism or white supremacy, as much as they keep claiming to.

They're just abusers who found targets the community finds acceptable to harm. And "racism" is their scapegoat.

[glitchyvoice]

normally i wouldnt engage in this kind of thing at all but a: nova is one of my closest friends. id defend them w my life. and b: im literally namedropped in it for “evidence” which is funny bc i havent interacted w the cotl fandom at all since woolhaven dropped, ive had the tags blocked until i did play it a couple months ago. but like yeah. due to the above. im gonna.

i read the entire document start to finish and while i could very easily pick the entire thing apart line by line thats not worth mine or anyone elses time. nobody needs me to do that to know this is all repetitive baseless horseshit. the ratio proves it lmfao.

i think the funniest takeaway is this: they (wolfe and lori, plural. all usage of they/them pronouns is me referring to the two of them, together. ok? ok. since apparently they dont even understand the plural “they”. 💀) started the doc with “this was never about marchosias/cotl” and then the entire 200 pages or so (228 last i checked and when i finished reading) are almost exclusively. about the cotl woolhaven marchosias drama. like holy fucking shit. that in itself kind of sums up the entire thing. its absolutely nothing. just them waffling about marchosias and yngya and being illiterate ignorant racist assholes claiming to be victims when i know damn well theyve been block evading and stalking my friend (nova) for months now. theres no other way they couldve gotten some of these screenshots. novas had them blocked since practically the start. and so have i.

the block button is my best friend!!! it always has been. ive always followed an “if you dont like what youre seeing- block the blog and move on with your day.” mentality. and despite claiming to have also blocked nova. unless theres some insane memory/system hyjinx going on. (im a system btw. before they try to come at me lmfao) im certain that was just. the word they love using in this doc. “performative”.

their hypocrisy knows no end. they waffle on and on about novas “obsession” w them and how theyre being harassed and everyone that interacts with them is racist when they literally think every single person in their anon ask box is the same three people based on typing quirks theyve “noticed”. (including thinking everyone including nova was jir at one point??? lmfaoo) seem obsessive to you? it seems obsessive to me!! they drag people into their smear campaign (and yes, no matter how many times they try to say otherwise it IS a smear campaign. and the point im making now proves that enough) that had nothing to do with it in the first place over having “direct participation” (half of us dek each other. the doc states both nova and genrefluid are moots w a bunch of ppl including me. the only people in this doc id even HEARD of before today were nova, the two of them [wolfe and lori], jir, mukkie, and silba. who are all [minus wolfe and lori] lovely ppl hi guys ily all!!! waves!!! i had never even heard genrefluids user before today. but i am moots with her now so yay yippee!! ill take the wins i can in this fuckfest.) putting us in this “callout post” too. if somehow the stalking wasnt- this is harassment.

and them thinking everyone else is racist. mfs literally say that arabic indians and iranians are white. quoted directly. “Arabic and Indian are ethnic groups. Ethnic groups that are considered to be made up of majority Caucasian, aka… white people.” and then two paragraphs later: “Domesticated sheep (which is what the Woolhaven lambs are) are attributed to primarily Iran. Iranians are considered (and also consider themselves) to be white.” which just ????? i have a feeling maybe. just maybe. they might not know what theyre talking about. perhaps. enough said.

fandom spaces nowadays genuinely sicken me. it happened here i moved to crk. it happened to crk i stopped bothering trying to engage w fandom in general and stuck to the circles who actually have common sense. you get one entitled media illiterate dumbass in a fandom spreading horseshit and suddenly half the fandom is intoxicated with hatred and bullying and harassment and death threats. over LITERAL pixels on peoples screens. it is NEVER this serious. im glad theres some sensible people left in the world and that this post got absolutely demolished and put in the frier the minute it dropped but like jesus fucking christ. some of this shit genuinely makes me wonder if its all a big social experiment. im fucking tired of it. i just want to be able to have actual intelligent conversations in fandom spaces without some egotistical jackass telling me, my friends, my family, and my goddamn dog that were all the worthless scum of the earth and should kill ourselves.

like. how do you get THIS far in life with this mentality. it genuinely baffles me. surely at some point you have to get reality checked right? well. i hope this is your reality check. but seeing how youve acted so far? i dont think youre ever going to change. youll get chased out of every fandom space ever for being a cunt and then go “ohhhh noooo woe is me!!! how could the fandom. the mods. the developers. the entire world do this to me!!!! everyone else is in the wrong and surely eventually my message will reach the ‘sane’ people who will agree with me!!!” while it never does. because youre in the wrong. but yk the world revolves around you so youll never accept that. but yk. i sincerely hope you prove me wrong. i hope, with all my heart, that you seek genuine help and get better- and live a long fulfilling life!!!!

anyways. ive talked long enough. stop harassing my friend. leave nova alone. this is unhealthy for you too! please, please. actually block them. stop seeking out what its doing and talking about. find something else in life to focus on that makes you genuinely happy. quit starting arguments with random people on the internet over fictional characters. over anything, really. but especially over fictional characters. ive lived my entire life without it and ykw!!! im happy!!! im at peace!!! im satisfied with life. theres more for you out there than this. if you can accept your wrongdoings, start over, work on yourselves, and grow as people. i hope you both get what you need. but if you escalate this any further i will not hesitate to set aside anything i need to to support my friends.

thank you for reading 🩵 have a lovely night, or day, depending on timezones.

glitchy out ✌️

[reckoningandretribution]

do you think Nova being one of your closest friends somehow makes your statement credible? It just means you're biased.

Anyways, the second half of your spiel proves you didn't actually read the doc. Because you're just spouting the same things Nova said, that we either addressed or disproved.

How about you talk about Nova comparing people of color to animals? Or them sending me a dozen inflammatory messages over the course of a month? Or them saying I should kill myself, unprompted? Oh but none of those things matter, because Nova's your closest friend, yeah?

I'd say you guys are unwell, but you're all very aware of your actions.

[reckoningandretribution]

Abusive Figures in This Community

I suppose this is a PSA of sorts.

@psychicterrain (aka Nova), @woolhaven-defender (aka Genrefluid), and @strawberryCheesecakeHare are manipulative liars that have been engaging in racist behavior, stalking, spreading rumors, and harassing me and my friend. They are weaponizing the narrative they fabricated to ostracize us from the community and, because of the nature of their false accusations, other people have taken it upon themselves to take punitive actions against us.

I can't believe I've been told to kill myself because some random, chronically-online adults didn't like our interpretation of Woolhaven. And yet, here we are lol.

This behavior is not only toxic and unnecessary, it's dangerous. Had their attention been directed to someone that was younger, or had poor mental health, or just having a bad time in life, they could've driven someone to hurt themselves or worse. Over. A video game.

Nova and Genrefluid are being enabled and protected by their circle, allowing them to do and say whatever they please—no matter how racist, or misogynistic, or harmful, or incorrect.

This circle includes (but is not limited to):

@lamb-kind , @nanabestgirl , @uas-art , @taydarowletenthusiast , @woolhaven-fan , and @cultofthe-lamb-confessions

Nova has since decided that they're going to be the "bigger person" after calling us neo-nazis, cropping and sharing our posts to be mocked and misrepresented, blowing up my inbox with racist and borderline incomprehensible babbling, and otherwise ruining our fandom experience for half the year. Genrefluid has opted to play dumb and simply deny anything ever happening despite being the origin of many of the rumors. And their circle is practically patting them on the fucking back for it, all while perpetuating the lies their buddies made up without asking for an inkling of proof.

So we gathered all the proof ourselves.

Not quite all of it has been transcribed as of posting this, but I'm tired of sitting on it. I'm tired of all of this. I spent a long time trying to clarify my points and trying to figure out what these people's problem is privately. And it was a waste of energy.

They aren't confused, there's no misunderstanding, and they Do Not Care about combatting racism or white supremacy, as much as they keep claiming to.

They're just abusers who found targets the community finds acceptable to harm. And "racism" is their scapegoat.

[reckoningandretribution]

An addition, I suppose. Will also add this to the main doc to keep it all together. Someone had a response to it that they wanted to share while remaining anonymous:

Hello broader fandom! I wish to remain anonymous, but I want to share a more nuanced voice regarding the drama involving people who defend Marchosias.

To preface, I have never followed Lori, Wolfe, Dynablade, or Woolhaven-Defender on Tumblr. I had actually blocked most of them (on both sides), because I didn't want to see Woolhaven discourse on my feed.

I stumbled upon the doc out of pure coincidence when I was searching for Narilamb content today. I read through the screenshots, and I was horrified about the extent Lori and Wolfe were stalked and harassed for their takes on Marchosias. I never knew it was this bad for this long.

This current mess is very damning of us all. I'm actually scared of this fandom at large. This community is relatively small and close-knit, but when drama like this happens, EVERYONE hears about it. I worry somebody here will be crazy enough to doxx Lori and Wolfe in real life, which would threaten their personal safety.

Nobody should be harassed or bullied or worse, no matter what they believe in. This should not be a controversial opinion at all. We are talking about a fictional video game about religious cults, and most characters in-game aren't the epitome of real-life morals and ethics. I don't care if somebody personally sees Marchosias as a Gandhi or the next Hitler. If you can't agree with this one simple premise, or if you attempt to make excuses and exceptions and "what-if's," YOU are part of the problem.

People here need to learn the principle of "don't like, don't read." You don't have to agree with everything (or anything) somebody says, but it's your responsibility to curate your own Internet experience and block the tags/people you don't want to see.

Every time drama like this blows up in this fandom, I become more and more scared of speaking my mind. As Rainbowolfe wrote in the end of their doc, it is really NOT about Marchosias or Woolhaven when we get down to the core issue.

I am happy Rainbowolfe and Lori are bringing this larger issue to light. However I think for their own mental well-beings, they should both take a long break from Tumblr.

It is very clear nobody's minds will be changed about Woolhaven, so please stop interacting entirely, block each other, and move on.

Otherwise, people will keep fanning these toxic flames until this whole community burns down. I want us all to do better.

[reckoningandretribution]

People are going to believe what they want to believe, and that's that lol.

I don't care much for the tone policing, but thank you to other people who had valid feedback to give about the doc. And apologies to the two people who caught strays, I overestimated their involvement.

I'm not gonna delete the doc. I've saved a copy of it in case y'all get it taken down. It may not be written perfectly, but the information in it is still relevant and true, and it's still full of evidence even if some of its not to the extent some of you would prefer.

Like, that's why its so long lol. It'd be a fraction of the length if we took all the screenshots out.

[reckoningandretribution]

nice place ya got there.... be a shame if.... someone went inside and started being problematic