Save Ben Solo

[reylo17]

TFA forshadowed and TLJ confirmed that this trilogy's main focus would be both the last Skywalker (and his rise from the dark back to the light) and the scavenger girl who came from nothing but is strong and finds her place in the galaxy. It was forshadowed that they would find their belonging where they never thought they would - in each other. But TROS threw that all away and laughed in our face... they showed us that this trilogy has always been about Rey, and only Rey. Ben Solo was not important, he was never mentioned again. The bad child has been replaced with the good child.

[reylo17]

Kylo Ren: "I’m going to find you, and I’m going to turn you to the dark side."

What kind of storytelling is this? Is this the same multilayered and complex character of Kylo from TFA and TLJ? Or is this some one-dimensional Vader-like villain? It seems the latter is true. Kylo was stalking Rey for most of the movie, the intimacy of the force bonds from TLJ was gone, he was chasing her, she was running away or acting like a lunatic and trying to kill him. This is not the Kylo and Rey I know. Of course the throne room scene was the reason they ended on bad terms but the path JJ chose for the characters for the two thirds of the film was awful. Such regression. He could have made them enemies at the beginning but slowly working together and training together-preparing for their fight with Palpatine. Kylo had just found out that his whole life was a big lie and a manipulation and that the voices in his head weren't who he thought they were and his reaction was: "oh well, ok, I have no reaction to this big revelation, it doesn't matter that I haven't been talking to my grandfather this whole time, I'll just kill this dude and rule the galaxy." No shock on this face, nothing. They could have used that revelation as Ben's wake up call and him slowly bonding with Rey, training her and preparing for their fight against the ultimate evil. Instead, we got a last minute redemption which is an insult to the acting of the wonderful and talented actor that is Adam Driver who could have given so much more for the portrayal of Ben Solo if only he'd been given the chance

[reylo17]

Finn's story could have been so much more interesting, he could have led a stormtrooper rebellion, freeing his former fellow troopers. They never explored that Hux's line: 'My men are exceptionally trained, programmed from birth', also this line from Finn: "I'm a stormtrooper. Like all of them, I was taken from a family I'll never know. And raised to do one thing."

I mean it's obvious they were all a product of the FO and Finn being one of them (but freed) planted the seeds for future movies to explore that topic more...So to see him killing them and woohooing at ever trooper killed is awful.

[klaroline84]

^^^

[reyloismyweakness]

Exactly. Thank God someone pointed this out

[reylo17]

I like TLJ Rey more than TROS Rey

[klaroline84]

TLJ Rey was more realistic, Tros Rey was one dimensional tbh, with that white hood on her head like virgin Mary, implicating she will remain pure. Rian started the whole 'world is not black and white and people are not goor or bad, there is a grey area there', and JJ totally erased that and brought us pure Jedi Rey.

[reyloismyweakness]

Tros is like-there are only two types of people: good and bad. That's it.

[reylo17]

Back to square one 😂

[klaroline84]

I though about that myself, what does she do exactly? Something similar to Rey?

[reyloismyweakness]

The even look alike.

[klaroline84]

“What’s amazing about the story and the script is that you learn that both the Sith and the Jedi have been playing a very long game. From the get-go, there’s been this chess match. All these pieces have been played. And now we get to see who gets checkmate.” - Oscar Isaac

I truly believe Kylo has been playing the long game and has known about Palpatine all this time. That's why he crossed over to the darkside, to finish him. I believe all of his family knew, that's why they fell apart, they couldn't accept it.

On the other hand, Palpatine is the sith that's been playing the long game trying to possess a Skywalker (first Anakin, than Luke and now Ben). He has been behind Snoke all this time. He wants the strong Skywalker blood.

That's the jedi and sith long game Oscar is talking about. It ties all 9 movies together.

[reyloismyweakness]

Exactly. What else could refer to the 'Jedi very long game'? I believe this will be the story in TROS. It ties all trilogies together.

[reylo17]

[klaroline84]

The will end up on Tatooine and the last shot will be them looking at the twin suns

[reyloismyweakness]

[klaroline84]

I just don't think Rey going dark has much sense in the last movie of the trilogy. If they wanted her to cross over to the dark side they would've made it happen in TLJ. I just don't see the point of making her go dark and return to light in the same (and last) movie, zero sense storywise.

[klaroline84]

"I will finish what you started."

- Kylo Ren, TFA

This is the most important sentence in this whole trilogy. And I think it's about destroying Palpatine (who was in Snoke's body this whole time grooming on young Ben with the ultimate goal to possess his body). Finishing off Palpatine has been Ben's true motive for crossing over to the dark side. He has to do it from within. Vader destroyed Palpatine's body, but Kylo will destroy his essence.

[klaroline84]

"I will finish what you started."

- Kylo Ren, TFA

This is the most important sentence in this whole trilogy. And I think it's about destroying Palpatine (who was in Snoke's body this whole time grooming on young Ben with the ultimate goal to possess his body). Finishing off Palpatine has been Ben's true motive for crossing over to the dark side. He has to do it from within. Vader destroyed Palpatine's body, but Kylo will destroy his essence.

[reylo17]

Kylo kneeling before Rey

[reylo17]

The fall of Skywalker/The rise of Vader

Love the choice of the word 'rise' here in this scene. Palpatine orders Anakin to rise as Darth Vader.

TROS will be about Kylo rising as Ben.

Reversed arc.

[reylo17]

This will be the rise of Ben.

Both are kneeling in black capes with heads down.

Skywalker was kneeling but rose as Vader.

Kylo is kneeling but will rise as Skywalker.

[reylo17]

Look at the light shining on him

[reyloismyweakness]

The rise of Vader

The rise of Skywalker

[reylo17]

Ben has known about Palpatine all this time. That's why he told Rey he wanted old things to die, the Sith to end, that's why he didn't renounce the FO and that's why he couldn't go with Rey just yet. He needed her to join him and FO to defeat Palpatine and the Sith troopers together. He can't do it alone. That makes this line even sadder and more desperate than before

[reyloismyweakness]

Amen! I've been saying since 2015 that Ben's motives are yet to be revealed

[klaroline84]

I really think in this scene Kylo isn't talking to Vader like we were led to believe, but his redeemed grandfather Anakin Skywalker

Here's why:

'Cause if Kylo is talking to Vader - the baddast Sith of all, if he's praying to the sith legacy - why would he want it to end?

[reyloismyweakness]

Which leads to another conclusion. That he KNOWS Palpatine is alive somehow and has been behind all this. Palpatine is the only remaining Sith. That leads to a question - did Kylo fall to the dark side to end Palpatine? I believe he did. Some people say that the double agent theory somehow undermines Ben's character arc as well as his redemption arc. I would have to disagree. To actually fall to the dark side you have to let it consume you. You can't pretend to be on the dark side. Your master would be able to sense it. It's not an undercover police job where you go home at the end of the day and live your normal life. It has become his whole life. So much he doesn't even know where Ben ends and Kylo begins. It's a sacrifice. A big sacrifice. Hence the line "I've given everything I have to you, to the dark side." Kylo has lost himself in the process. He doesn't know who he is anymore. Therefore his story arc is pushed to a higher level in my opinion. In order to defeat the dark side he had to let it consume him. You can't fake being on the dark side. You have to understand it from within. The only question is will you be able to resist the dark side in the end, will you find your way into the light? That's why Kylo is trying to prove his allegiances lie with Snoke (Palpatine) but he's doing a terrible job. He's constantly struggling. Maz said to Rey: "There's someone who still could come back. With your help." I honestly believe Rey is the awakening in the force chosen by the Force itself to help Ben defeat the ultimate evil, because he can't do it alone. He will rise as the Skywalker he's meant to be and redeem his bloodline putting an end to the suffering of the Skywalker family.

[reylo17]

Tros spoiler ahead

Just sharing some new spoilers from Reddit...

"How does Ben's and Rey's relationship conclude in the end? "

"They are on Tatooine. I have no description what happens just that they filmed the scene on Tats with Ridley and Driver with skeleton crew and that it's the last scene in the movie (filmed out of order BTW as Jordan stood for Tats and Pasana)"

So maybe this will be the Tatooine scene. Just speculating.

[reyloismyweakness]

Omg people! I really don't care WHERE they live as long as they end up together. Which is not 100% confirmed at this point yet. We honestly can't garantee that they will have a happy ending at all. They could leave it ambiguous or platonic. So just be happy if they end up together.

[reylo17]

I really love Anidala and HanLeia.

But.

Reylo will be the most epic love story of Star Wars.

[reylo17]

Meaning of rain in storytelling

“Rain, for example, has many different meanings when it comes to storytelling. It could represent a cleansing rebirth. At the end of Disney’s Beauty and the Beast, it’s pouring outside, adding to the climax of the film, as well as emphasizing the transformation to come. As Belle holds the beast in her arms while he seemingly dies from Gaston’s stab wound, she confesses her love just as the last rose petal falls, restoring him not just to life, but to his normal form of Adam. The rain, in which this all takes place, is clean. It symbolically washes him from his past selfishness and he is reborn as a new man.”

We will see some rain in IX for sure…

[klaroline84]

Yes, and the leaks on Kylo’s death and rebirth! Very B&B ❤️

[reyloismyweakness]

"Rain also has a renewal and rebirth aspect to it. As the saying goes, “April showers bring May flowers.” It can symbolize a good thing coming after a bad time or it can just mean the washing away of the old and regrowing something better."