Sasha V.

[astralcat]

why the hell do you call him justinof that's not his name

Technically it's a slightly better reading of the katakana in his name than "juschenfe", as instead of "n", "nu" is used: ユスチヌフ "yu-su-chi-nu-fu"

Japanese is a weird language I will say that

[bishonenspit]

Maraich's surname is a bit of a complex topic, since there's very little canonical confirmation that he even uses the last name Juschenfe. The only instances where this name appears are in episode 14 (and the corresponding manga chapter, vol. 6, chapter 15) in reference to his ancestor's (still called Maraich, just like Bancoran's ancestor is still called Jack Bancoran) father, Lord Juschenfe. The only other instance where the name ユスチヌフ appears is later on in the manga (vol. 23, chapter 91), when documents relating to Maraich's father, again called Lord Juschenfe, are found at the Swiss Bank. Japanese is a weird language sometimes, but the main thing you have to remember when translating as an English speaker is that it's heavily context dependent. Things like machine translation often don't pick up context relating to translation. So what is the context of Maraich's surname? First off, anything spelled out in katakana indicates the word isn't present originally in Japan, as one of my instructors put it. Foreign names, as well as things like brands, loan words, etc. are all spelled out in katakana rather than hiragana or kanji. Most of the Patalliro characters' names are written in katakana, since most of them are from the UK/Europe. The main bit of required context when translating this specific name is that Maraich, at least on his father's side, is Swiss. So localizing the Japanese as English would technically be incorrect, since it's not a word or name of English origin. In addition to that, the Japanese pronunciation of ヌ(ぬ) is too soft to be translated as no, to lead to the -nof ending of the name. Justinof is closer phonetically to a Russian spelling, rather than a Swiss-German one. Going off what limited information we have on the name, Juschenfe is probably a more accurate localization of ユスチヌフ, given the context of the name's in-series origin. Justinof could very well be an accurate translation in another context, though. I can't attach a video as a reblog, but for anyone interested to hear the pronunciation in the anime, the timestamp is 19:41 onwards in episode 14

[sashav151]

Hi, I'm actually the one who made that "Justinov/Justinoff is a better translation than Juschenfe"

"Justinof is closer phonetically to a Russian spelling, rather than a Swiss-German one"; yes, and thinking like that is the problem.

The English fan-translator had in mind 'Oh, Maraich surely is German' and then invented "Juschenfe" on the spot

Like ???? (is not even a real surname as far as I could investigate)

How does that make sense looking at the kana??

What do you guys hear on ep. 19? I hear Yuschinuf (I'm a native Spanish speaker btw)

ユスチヌフ

YuSuChiNuFu

Yustinoff/Yustinov/Justinoff/Justinov

チ (Chi) is romanized as Ti in other forms too. I recognize ノ (No) should be there instead of ヌ (Nu)

But the point is, definitely that's NOT Juschenfe

That's not ユシェンフェ (Yushenfe) or ユスチェンフェ (Yuschenfe)

[astralcat]

why the hell do you call him justinof that's not his name

Technically it's a slightly better reading of the katakana in his name than "juschenfe", as instead of "n", "nu" is used: ユスチヌフ "yu-su-chi-nu-fu"

Japanese is a weird language I will say that

[bishonenspit]

Maraich's surname is a bit of a complex topic, since there's very little canonical confirmation that he even uses the last name Juschenfe. The only instances where this name appears are in episode 14 (and the corresponding manga chapter, vol. 6, chapter 15) in reference to his ancestor's (still called Maraich, just like Bancoran's ancestor is still called Jack Bancoran) father, Lord Juschenfe. The only other instance where the name ユスチヌフ appears is later on in the manga (vol. 23, chapter 91), when documents relating to Maraich's father, again called Lord Juschenfe, are found at the Swiss Bank. Japanese is a weird language sometimes, but the main thing you have to remember when translating as an English speaker is that it's heavily context dependent. Things like machine translation often don't pick up context relating to translation. So what is the context of Maraich's surname? First off, anything spelled out in katakana indicates the word isn't present originally in Japan, as one of my instructors put it. Foreign names, as well as things like brands, loan words, etc. are all spelled out in katakana rather than hiragana or kanji. Most of the Patalliro characters' names are written in katakana, since most of them are from the UK/Europe. The main bit of required context when translating this specific name is that Maraich, at least on his father's side, is Swiss. So localizing the Japanese as English would technically be incorrect, since it's not a word or name of English origin. In addition to that, the Japanese pronunciation of ヌ(ぬ) is too soft to be translated as no, to lead to the -nof ending of the name. Justinof is closer phonetically to a Russian spelling, rather than a Swiss-German one. Going off what limited information we have on the name, Juschenfe is probably a more accurate localization of ユスチヌフ, given the context of the name's in-series origin. Justinof could very well be an accurate translation in another context, though. I can't attach a video as a reblog, but for anyone interested to hear the pronunciation in the anime, the timestamp is 19:41 onwards in episode 14

[f-dorian]

Verdania / Ireland parallels

Verdania / Emerald isle

clovers

got colonized by a highly religious empire

experienced a natural (act of god) disaster that's exacerbated by the actions of the colonizing empire

said colonizing force is referred to as "pale"

the empire has a museum to showcase the lands it invaded, and keeps their populace for display

[sashav151]

Also the Green Prince says aye quite a lot. Scottish English, but yeah

[aridis]

(Silksong Spoilers!)

(//CW: Hemolymph)

These mantises be gay.

Good for them, good for them.

[aridis]

(Silksong Spoilers!)

(//CW: Hemolymph)

These mantises be gay.

Good for them, good for them.

[sashav151]

Deleted Heart Ripping Mechanic at the End of the Clover Dancers Battle

(Original video) It seems like we were originally able to rip out the hearts of bosses (Kamelita, King Khann and Nyleth); this includes being able to rip the Green Prince's heart from him at the end of the Clover Dancers battle. The Conjoined Heart description actually says it's his heart, so it makes sense that were supposed to do it at the end of the battle to get it. That means…

Hornet didn't kill him by defeating him in his memories; HORNET KILLED HIM BY FRICKIN RIPPING HIS HEART OUT OF HIS CHEST 😨

[sashav151]

wait HOLD ON

the Portuguese translation calls the Clover Dancers, "Twin princes from old Verdania." twins? why, though 😭

(I just hope this a free interpretation/translation of "Dual princes" and not that the pt translator literally meant to say that they were twin brothers)

[phantompainmenace-deactivated20]

It's like these guys they arent twins but they are "kings"(emperors) ???

[sashav151]

Pfff, those are Nicholas Il of Russia with his cousin, King George V of the United Kingdom; but yeah! Most here agree that they look similar because they were the same species (and in HK all bugs of the same species are look-alike) but some people are interpreting a poem/verse about the Clover Dancers and commentaries of them looking alike in the game like if they were twins brothers 😭💀 like, no!

[sashav151]

wait HOLD ON

the Portuguese translation calls the Clover Dancers, "Twin princes from old Verdania." twins? why, though 😭

(I just hope this a free interpretation/translation of "Dual princes" and not that the pt translator literally meant to say that they were twin brothers)

[sashav151]

in a similar fashion, the Spanish translation named the Conjoined Heart, "Siamese Heart."

While yes, siamese and conjoined are exchangeable between them, they kinda don't in this context?

The whole point of Conjoined Heart is that it’s name literally simbolizes two hearts that are finally joined between them (not literally physically conjoined but 'united' spiritually in death); the description clarifies it's the Green Prince heart only (though irl a mantis's heart don't look too similar to the illustration, ummm…)

Siamese Heart makes it seem more to me like the heart was already like that. that is literally the Green Prince's and his lover's actual physical heart, like implying that they were born siamese brothers 👎 (it's even more confusing to the player as it's a 'Siamese Heart' and the description says that it was (only) the Green Prince’s heart)

(The Portuguese translation actually made this one REALLY GOOD, they translated it as Confluenced Heart 😌)

[sashav151]

wait HOLD ON

the Portuguese translation calls the Clover Dancers, "Twin princes from old Verdania." twins? why, though 😭

(I just hope this a free interpretation/translation of "Dual princes" and not that the pt translator literally meant to say that they were twin brothers)

[sashav151]

so you probably know somebody uploaded all the stage plays to BiliBili, but you could only watch them in 360p if you didn't have an account... so I downloaded them with yt-dlp 😉 They are 1920x1080 (Full HD), a little better than a DVD rip and the best quality out there! These seems to be a recording from a Eigeki (lit. Satellite Theater) TV broadcast, so it has some ads at start/finish and their logo in a corner (but it's barely noticiable) Though, I'm not sure if these are the "DVD version" or "Streaming version" (they have a couple of camera angles differences between the two I've heard). Also, there's a brief glitch in Stardust just before the Tamanegi vs. Pretty Boy Corps song in which the video freezes for a couple of seconds (the glitch was already on the BilliBilli upload so it originates from when they recorded Eigeki's broadcast), I'm not aware of any other possible video/audio glitches. The .rar is 6.11 GB 👀DOWNLOAD HERE

[sashav151]

14 years ago a Patalliro! art contest was held in gaiaonline by Diana O'Connell. The theme was: "Maraich and Bancoran romance, these works need to involve the romantic side of their relationship. Hugging, kissing, snuggling all that pertains, as long as it stays within pg-13. Color entries only for this contest"

6 of the 10 entries can still be viewed to this day, that luckily includes all the winning art! So let's see that art!

First Place: Santouryou Zoro

Second Place: Crux Seraph

Third Place: Yujioko

Fourth Place: Emergency Squirtgun

[bishonenspit]

People on tiktok are claiming maya said he only sees maraich as bancoran's mistress... nice argument why dont you back it up w/ a source

Actually yes, I can! LOL

(This actually includes something I LOVE researching and explaining which is TRANSLATION NUANCCCEEEE let's hear it for TRANSLATIONNNNN)

At a base level, yes, Maraich is referred to as Bancoran's "mistress" by Maya Mineo and the canon text, if that is how you choose to translate "愛人" or "aijin".

As with anything in Japanese this can have like, a solid handful of meanings depending on the context it's used in. Or how you choose to translate it. Or both.

Most commonly, aijin is translated to "mistress" (and most commonly this is the result given by machine translation). So yes, this is technically what Maraich is called, however given the context of Bancoran and Maraich's relationship (and the fact that most commonly, it's not MARAICH who is the "other woman") a more accurate translation of it would be "lover", in my opinion.

More modern translations of aijin tend to add the connotation of an extramarital affair, but in old Japanese (and I mean old. think pre war.) it primarily meant something along the lines of "lover" in a more classic, straightforward sense. That connotation stills exists, but it now more commonly carries the implication of adultery lol.

Based off the typical comedic stylings of Maya Mineo, I would wager this specific word is used particularly because of its multiple meanings and undertones lol. Obviously, Bancoran is not married and cheating with Maraich. If I had to guess, it's specifically used as a tongue-in-cheek jab at the state of their relationship lol. They're lovers, but there's also a certain vibe of scandal to them even at Bancoran's most monogamous. (If you ask me, if the intention is a joke (which, likely) it's one of those things that's sort of untranslatable in a way. "Mistress" and "lover" are a bit too on the nose in their meanings in English to properly carry the implication aijin can carry. IN MY OPINION. Not a translator, just a nerd about it.)

That's just my two cents though, in terms of actual sources, the Japanese wiki page refers to Maraich as such, as well as this little article in Hana To Yume. And almost certainly a handful of times though the manga. It also pops up a couple times in the 99.9 special volume of the manga (confirmed after a brief skimming of my copy.)

Whether Michan himself only sees Maraich as such, I'm not sure. I don't think that's a thing he's said in those words, though he's probably referred to Maraich as Bancoran's aijin. So that specific "accusation" does lack a source, but the chances it was said are not zero. Though I hope with the context I added it comes off a little less scandalous. I assure you, Maya Mineo cares about both parts of BanMara relatively seriously.

If it helps, off the top of my head I recall that Maraich is referred to as Bancoran's "恋人" (koibito), which is the more common word for lover/romantic partner, hold the implication of adultery. (There could be more instances of this, that particular episode was just what popped into my brain as a moment where his "position" in regards to Bancoran was conversationally relevant.)

[sashav151]

lmao, not so long ago me and others had some kind of 'argument' with someone, who I assume is Russian based on their name, about this mistress thing and other terminology; they would come to the wiki and change stuff and we would try to gently explain to them why it was wrong (first they claimed that Maraich was Bancoran's wife because he did housewife stuff???; then that they were in a civil marriage because civil marriage was a thing when Figaro first appeared??? 😭 and because when people live in the same house and have children without marriage is apparently civil marriage????; clearly some cultural differences here) and they wouldn't budge they would site info and then us sitting info back 💀 In the end I banned them for writing misinformation on the pages because it was really getting out of hand 😐

[bishonenspit]

A segment from Bessatsu Hana to Yume titled "Ah! It's Maya Mineo!", in which he lists his IQ as 120, says Bancoran looks old for his age, and is questioned on being a homosexual by Ooshima Yumiko. (1982)

[a-cup-of-fantasy]

These are comparisons between the scans of the original 14mm film for episode 4 and the rips of the dvd that you can find online!

Look at all the color degradation in the dvd rips! Everything's skewed yellow and pink, where it was originally all cool toned and muted. That's not to say the film scans are perfect either, but they do have far more correct colors, as you can see if you look at stills from the anime from promotional material from when it was airing. It's most obvious on Bancoran who, yes, did have blue eyeshadow originally.