Shipping confessions

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Welcome to the 100th shipping confessions blog/silly

Got any issues with proshippers? Got any issues with antis? Got any shipping hot takes? Do you just want to yap about shipping in general? Or do you just think all sides of this is stupid? Well this blog is for you

I will not be giving any information about myself, but just know that the owner of this blog is an adult. If you figure out who I am then you do, if you don't then you don't. I won't confirm or deny anything.

This blog isn't to say rather or not either side is good or bad this is simply for people to rant and vent.

Please note that just because I post something doesn't mean I specifically agree with it.

I will be using both anti and proship tags, block if that annoys you.

General blog warning: This blog will contain triggering and uncomfortable topics, as well as slight nsfw/kink talk. Please make sure to filter out whatever you're uncomfortable with.

Any triggering topics will be tagged as tw__

This blog is strictly anti harassment towards anyone on either side. Any asks, comments, rbs, etc encouraging harassment towards anyone will be blocked. And for this reason, anything name dropping people(even if it's obvious who you're talking about) will be deleted too.

If you block this account then you'll get blocked back, you can request to get unblocked but depending on who you are will depend on if you actually get unblocked.

Confessions will be simply tagged as confession

Non confessions with be tagged as not a confession

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I think the proship/antiship debate ultimately comes down to whether a person has a moral system that is focused on collectivism or on individualism.

On the antiship side (at least anti-darkship), the logic is generally that allowing spaces for people with harmful paraphilias to engage and connect with each other to indulge their paraphilias will ultimately lead to escalating behavior that ends in harm. Are ALL proshippers going to escalate? No! And I don't think I've ever seen any anti argue that. But we already know there's a link between proshipping and escalating behavior because of the radqueer community, and there are a significant number of testimonies from ex-proshippers talking about their exploitation as kids in these spaces. Thus, the logic of antishipping is that if this community and behavior has the potential to put people/kids at risk, and doesn't necessarily have benefits that can't be gained other ways, why allow it to flourish? That is, therapy/medication would likely be a better solution for paraphiles than proshipping, and non-paraphile proshippers can always enjoy non-paraphilic media, so again--with the risks to the collective being known, why tolerate this?

On the proship side, the individual experience is emphasized above the collective in that the arguments almost always boil down to "not all proshippers." Their perspective tends to be a very libertarian one. I've seen things like "it made YOU worse, but not me." "It's not MY fault people can't tell fiction from reality." "Just because you were groomed doesn't mean EVERYONE was." "This is how I cope with MY trauma, and you can't tell ME what to do." And worse yet, the arguments that make a false appeal to collectivism: "If you don't let paraphiles engage in fiction, they'll just do it in real life." This perspective is often tied very deeply to the American definition of freedom of speech, and thus, tends to be a very American-centric point of view. Individualism is not always a bad thing, and in many contexts I think individualism is the correct ideology!

So ultimately, your stance in this debate usually boils down to one thing: is individual freedom more important than collective health and safety? Assuming you understand that there IS a risk, at what point does the risk become acceptable? If 1% of proshippers move on to hurting the targets of their paraphilias, but 99% don't, is that 1% an acceptable number of offenses with victims to validate the practice? What if those numbers were 10% offenders/90% non-offenders? What about 50%/50%? I would argue most antis say that not even 1% is acceptable, and thus that is why they have their stances. But I'd bet most proshippers believe that the number of offending proshippers is 1% or even less, and why should the group be "punished" for the "outliers"?

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dunno if the blog is still active but i need to get my thoughts off my chest. i consider myself an anti. anon because i have a proship moot and i'm scared they'll see this and try to start an argument with me 💔

i consider myself both anti-proship/darkship and anti-censorship. some people might be confused at how this works. basically i think that any existing media should be allowed to be viewed by whoever wants to (although more mature stuff should be regulated to mature audiences), including pro/darkship content. BUT i personally don't think people should indulge in pro/darkship content for their mental health. i enjoy media exploring dark topics but if said media doesn't explain WHY its bad/tries to romanticize it, then i think there's a problem. i understand people do it to cope but i am afraid that it might make people worse. i don't know if i make sense.

even though i disagree with pro/darkship stuff, i am also firmy anti-harassment. nobody should be harassed for their opinions, ESPECIALLY in a community so dominated by minors and traumatized individuals.

some people might say that because im anti harassment my beliefs are more proship, but even if they are i don't want to be labeled as part of that community. i know proship doesn't stand for problematic ship, but the term has been so twisted and corrupted beyond belief that i really don't want to be associated with it

pro/darkship content makes me incredibly uncomfortable but i also don't want shipcourse to limit my interactions with people, which is why i haven't blocked my proship moot. i want to be friends and coexist despite opinion differences :,)

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I forgot about this blog Lmaooo

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Im not sure if this is true but a warrior cat discord Im in we are not allowed to refer to gay or lesbian ships as "yaoi" or "yuri" apparently it implies 18+ stuff? for as long that ive been on the internet it was just a synonym for gay ships whether it included nsfw or not

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"Anti harassment" crowd at it again, calling me a child abuser who cares more about Naruto than real people, saying i never went through abuse and wishing I had been aborted because I said that wanting to rape kids isn't queer

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I’ve never labelled myself in ship discourse just because no one will give me a concrete answer on what means what. And if they DO give me a concrete answer, it is always so obviously biased. Like yes I’m totally going to believe “ProshipKiller23” and “Proshippurrcatgirl” will both be giving me completely unbiased definitions on what ‘proship’ and ‘antiship’ mean. The closest I’ve gotten to a definition that everyone can agree on is Proship = “Anti harassment over shipping, believes fictional content someone consumes does not indicate that person’s morals” and Antiship means the opposite of that but like. Both those definitions fit me. I think harassment is wrong and I also believe that fictional content shows SOMETHING about your character

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Honestly certain proship and antiship spaces have the vibe that everyone will start throwing rocks at you for a minor disagreement. Then immediately after you’ll be called an evil fascist or a predatory bigot depending on which side is throwing said rocks.

(Also neutralshippers are there I guess.)

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tw // mentions of csam

this shouldn't even b a shipcourse issue at all but i'm talking about it bc i feel like it has to b said.

as an anti, i'm tired of seeing ppl (mostly other antis) throw around terms like cp/cheese pizza to refer to both lolisho and real csam.

these terms are dogwhistles used by actual predators. it's genuinely disheartening to see a good argument by someone, only to see these terms b thrown around lightly </3

yes, both lolisho and csam are morally wrong. but remember that these terms come from those circles.

protect kids. learn to spot dogwhistles.

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I do genuinely wonder sometimes why people get mad at people who use the neuship label. I feel like they want us all to fit into these neat little boxes but I don't really fit in either of them. For example: I am ship and let ship until it gets to problematic ships, but I block and curate my online stuff unless someone directly involves me. I do not fit into anti or pro I just am here.

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im a 1000% anti-harassment antishipper 99.99999999% of the time. I just do my own thing most of the time, show my disgust under posts of other antishippers also being disgusted, and just block when I see a proshipper or darkshipper

but when a proshipper tries to tell me that what I do (blocking and moving on, reading what I like) makes me a proshipper, the anti-harassment stance cracks a little. I do NOT harass them still. they just get a very strongly worded reply before I block them, and I take a few minutes to remind myself that harassment is bad

im not a proshipper. you (pros) think that its fine and good to wanna rape kids and animals, and see being grossed out by content featuring that as harassment and fascism. I'm against portraying that stuff positively. I am not one of you.

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I feel like a lot of people claim to be anti censorship but they really just want a hugbox where nobody can criticize each other. Can't even say you don't think a certain trope fits a ship/character and you got people going "Just let write what they want!!!"

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The recent rise of """proshippers""" who don't know shit about the history behind the term and fandom history pmo. And they're usually ex-antis who think proship = comship = darkship.

Learn your fandom history before engaging in discourse communities, people.

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coming from a proshipper whenever i see other proshippers accuse antishippers of ‘fascism’ or anything similar i want to bang my head against a wall. that is not what that word means. new rule if you accuse someone of being a fascist, promoting fascism, or saying fascist ideology, you need to also point to: the nation that they are promoting (fascism is ultranationalist first and foremost), where they are asking for a single party political system, and who their supreme leader is. big emphasis on the nation and their supreme leader. bonus points if you can say where they put the state before themselves. if they aren’t doing, implying, or saying any of those things CONGRATULATIONS that isn’t fascism that’s something else

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One thing that confuses me a lot is the confession made by proshippers on this blog but I've actually never seen anyone of them actually commit to it.

Common factor I see in a lot of them really, another thing I see in them is hypocrisy and entitlement. Making fun of someone's online boundary BECAUSE they have proship dni is just straight up stupid??? They preach, curate your own spaces and then get made when you actually do.

Another thing I mentioned! The entitlement. Anyone can like "dark/problematic" media. For example, I like a show called Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, yes it has themes/jokes of incest and they JUST (nobody knew about this beforehand) revealed the ages of one of the characters to be 16 when Panty (one of the main characters) was said to be over 500 years old. The whole show itself mocks American culture, but in a more satire way so no, nothing in the show is supposed to be taken seriously, but I get a whole lot of proshippers calling me a hypocrite for liking "proship media" like hold your horses buddy??

Y'all have a03 that's proship media enough. Don't try and dictate/claim any media that has any of the themes you condone. Cause a lot of people actually take those themes in a serious matter and don't always fetishize it.

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The thing I hate the most about this is that you HAVE to label yourself, and if you don't, people will slap one on you and act like it's a fact.

I just want to have fun, share my ideas and make friends. Is that too much to ask?

If you WANT to be miserable and constantly argue, go ahead, but realize that that's not what everyone wants and respect their decision to not engage in discourse (that could put them in danger) instead of dragging them into it for no good reason

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imo antis and pros are allowed to be upset when they're blocked but shouldn't gulit others into unblocking them

its a human emotion we shouldn't shame, it just depends on what they do after the fact

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