Note: These are all my personal observations and patterns I've noticed over the years. Take what resonates with you more and leave the rest. Lemme know in the comments if it hits home! A single placement or aspect isn't enough to conclude and the whole chart has to be analyzed! Look at your Vedic chart!
Note: This post is for people who have Saturn as their 7th lord -> Cancer risings and Leo risings.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 9th house, your spouse can be someone who lives near you or is born in the same city as you, and not a faraway partner. This applies to Saturn only. Spouse can be closer to your age as well. Spouse can be conservative AF when it comes to relationships/marriage. Spouse may have a Saturn in their 11th/3rd/6th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 10th house, your spouse can have financial struggles in their life until their mid-30s. They can be from a poor background or from a family with constant financial struggles. Also, they may have to carry their family burden from a young age. Can be the eldest sibling in their family or has a father who can be pretty irresponsible with money. Spouse may have a Saturn in their 12th/4th/7th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 11th house, your spouse can have fewer to no friends. They can be serious and won't indulge in fun like others. If they play a board game, they take it seriously and play to "win". They take responsibility seriously and want children only after they are stable enough. When your spouse becomes a parent, they can be a strict but friendly parent to your kids. Spouse may have a Saturn in their 1st/5th/8th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 12th house, your spouse's career involves heavy manual labor or the possibility of night shift work or a work that sucks their energy out. Spouse may have loans/debts. Could have had surgery before they turn 30. Can be a workaholic or lack self-care. They could be the type to ignore red flags in their health and won't spend much money on their health. It can be optional for them. Spouse may have Saturn in their 2nd/6th/9th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 1st house, your spouse WILL traditionally approach you. No grand gestures but will stand through thick and thin. They won't be the type of person interested much in dating and could have been career-minded person since they're young. Service-oriented too. Love = Marriage. If they don't love someone, they won't even bother moving an inch, let alone dating. Spouse might not travel a lot and can be a homebody. Can have a stable job. Spouse may have their Saturn in their 3rd/7th/10th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 2nd house, your spouse's family background can be dysfunctional. Lack of parental support for them. They may have to do everything on their own with little to no help from family. Hardworking but also slow to trust others. Can be closed off or detached from their family. They may think money is what makes people give respect and can be money-minded and can take risks. Spouse may have their Saturn in 4th/8th/11th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 3rd house, the spouse can be the eldest in their home or can be the only child. They could have started their career early and could have been a dropout or not be interested in higher education. They can have strong hands and a temper. Good negotiator and can do anything to get things their way, even if it takes a bit of intimidation on their part. Can be pretty funny too. Spouse may have their Saturn in 5th/9th/12th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 4th house, your spouse can face struggles with day-to-day life, whether it's physical or mental. They can experience unemployment for some time in their 30s and may work in a job where they're often overlooked. Might struggle with savings. Might look older than their age due to stress/depression from their work. They could have gone through a long stay in a hospital as well due to some illness or issues they ignored for a long time or might need daily medication. Spouse may have their Saturn in 6th/10th/1st houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 5th house, your spouse can have an elder sibling. Spouse won't be interested in dating or relationships and their approach towards intimacy can be conservative. They expect their partner to be similar to them and can approach you with a marriage mindset. They can be very dedicated and devoted to you and your children. Spouse can be a bit stingy with money and only invests in things or people that are long-term. They will save their money to buy a house rather than spending it on ordering food online. For them, every penny counts. Spouse may have their Saturn in their 7th/11th/2nd houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 6th house, your spouse might have been divorced before or will meet them when they're going through something rough in their life. It can be financial loss, a relationship, legal issues, etc. They could have faced many obstacles in their life and could have had enemies to bring them down. They could have struggled with travelling abroad or they may have had a bad experience when travelling abroad. They can struggle with depression and have an inferiority complex. Spouse may have their Saturn in their 8th/12th/3rd houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 7th house, spouse can be intimidating and well-respected among peers. They can have a serious reputation among people. People would turn to them for advice, financial help, etc. They can be giving and believe in equality. Marriage is a big deal for them, and they really want to have a successful marriage. Finding a partner can be a struggle for them, just like you. Spouse can take long-distance trips for work but will always be connected to their hometown. They can be older than you or you might marry them in your 30s. They may live away from their family but will support them financially. Spouse may have their Saturn in their 9th/1st/4th houses.
If your 7th lord Saturn is in the 8th house, your spouse can have a parent, or they themselves can struggle with financial issues or issues related to alcohol/drugs. Spouse can work a job many won't take. Struggles with savings. Even if they earn well, they might not know how to save or can be influenced by people around them, making bad financial decisions. Rough childhood, and they may not have a stable parental figure to teach them about what's right and wrong. Spouse can have their Saturn in 10th/2nd/5th houses.
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Accuracy influenced by ENTIRE d9 chart AND natal/langa.
Moon in 7th House D9
Personal accuracy depends on your FULL d1 and d9 chart. The below is better used as learning info than personal predictions.
Married dynamic is playful and childish. This can indicate having met your partner young and/or a young marriage.
This indicates the spouse is youthful and innocent looking.
You can lose your sense of self in marriage. You are VERY emotionally invested in your spouse - to the point, the relationship may be codependent. You feel you NEED your spouse.
However, this does not indicate a good marriage, you can feel the above and still have a poor outcome - IRL EX: This man w Moon D9 7th house cheated on his spouse many tomes when she finally left he spiralled HARD. [This placement isn’t connected to cheating tho - there was indicators of him having an over indulgent and impulsive personality in D1 and D9].
You and/or your spouse can be VERY moody. One or both may become sensitive and very compassionate with age. This is an indicator of becoming a sweet old person rather than a bitter cranky one.
There will be ups and downs in your marriage. Every marriage does but for people with this placement, they may NOT be ready for these down/low periods. Unlike Saturn, Moon can make one have a romantic and idealistic view of married life and an ideal spouse (esp if NOT in an earth sign).
Similarly to D9 Mars in 2nd, D9 Moon in 7th house can make you and/or the spouse promiscuous. Naturally, you can find a flirty personality and people remaining attracted to you into an older age.
The positive with this Moon is marriage will have romance and attraction. Married life is nourishing. The spouse can feel like a safe place - even if pissed or unhappy, they may fulfill partner duties for you and the family.
Mercury in 9th House:
You will continue to desire to learn after marriage esp when this mercury is activated by dasha and transits. Examples: Going back to college, pursuing a higher degree, desire to learn to play an instrument or a different type of hobby involving the hands.
Mercury keeps you curious. You may find passion in reading, writing and music later in life. IRL EX: After retirement, this man bought and learned to play a few songs on a piano.
This mercury is good as it keeps the brain stimulated which will keep you mentally young and strong. This is good indicator for a happy and healthy old age.
Saturn in 9th House
This is one indicator for a late marriage if Saturn is poorly placed.
This can make it difficult for a person to conform to a singular and strict belief system. You can experience changes in morals.
This indicates having a dutiful approach to marriage. This gives luck and fortune in maintaining the marriage. You will do what is needed to keep the romance and marriage alive.
Sun in 3rd House:
If well placed, for example in Aries/Exaltation, this gives you the ability to understand how to fix any marital issues with your spouse. As well as the motivation and drive to take action to maintain or fix the marriage.
However, if poorly placed, Sun blinds you in married life. Your desire to be right and put yourself first can begin to overpower your desire for a lasting marriage and family life.
This sun suggests you become authoritative with your children and spouse too. This controlling and demanding nature can extend to any employees or coworkers you may have that work under you. Whether this results in a good or bad outcome depends on the entire D1 and D9.
IRL EX - Aries Sun D9 3rd H: This man was very strict and demanding of his children - at times he may physically discipline them. From an outsider pov, it felt he ran the home like a military base. He was NOT soft with his children although he could be humorous at times. Due to Sun exalted, this did not create a negative impact on his relationship to the children. They respect him and his way of bringing them up.
IRL EX #2 - Scorpio Sun D9 3rd H - This woman was very strict with her children too. She had some expectations for them such as what they would believe religiously and politically. However, as the children got older they found their own opinions and personalities. This resulted in years of fighting/bickering on and off. The relation isn’t the best and the child has made comments like they will not raise their children the same way. But it’s not the worst relationship either - this could be due to Jupiter’s aspect saving the house from extreme damage.
can you please discuss enhypen jay natal chart? He said he was born around 2am
sure! ok. first thing. i'm a casual enhypen enjoyer and don't know much about them beyond their music and what i've seen randomly on tiktok, but similarly to how i got a terrible crush on stray kids lee know after looking at his chart, i have emotionally imprinted on jay.
saturn ruled... most importantly a scorpio moon... my son... my brother in arms... you me ive yujin txt hueningkai and twice jihyo... immediately i'm emotionally bonded to you my beloved jay.... He Suffers....
oh fun! right off the bat, i was thinking "wow he gives taurus so strongly just from tiktok clips i've seen, more than a normal sun sign flavor..." and then look at that,
taurus sun at 0!
the sun is your ego, the energy you're working with in this life. sometimes it's what you need to grow to embody more. a planet at 0 is really pure and strong and in your face and not nuance-y. taurus taurus. stubborn, reliable, concerned with physical security and objects. clothes, food, possessions--taurus energy is earthy venus. anything at 0 is very, very strong and visible to everyone. #aesthetics are very important.
oh! oh ho! the sun and neptune are in a duet--the only planets they aspect are each other. (the sun also squares the lunar nodes so there's some karmic shit a-workin too--like his sun or identity being really important to help him resolve the capricorn-cancer lunar node issues which come up again in the 10th-4th house opposition later in this write-up).
when a planet doesn't have any major aspects, or 2 planets only aspect each other, they are super visible to everyone except the person themselves. they operate in extremes, often feel like they're always searching for something and also, more nice and fun, are powerful and represent a real talent! sometimes it's indicative of career--and you really can't write it better than having an idol with unaspected sun and neptune.
unaspected sun: why is everyone always looking at me and drawn to me all the time???? lil ole me???
jay is always trying to figure out his identity and have it like confirmed for him--but no amount of receiving confirmation will satisfy this. he also has a real talent for leadership--but as soon as he proves himself he'll be like yooops, full of insecurity and sunset his way out. he's suuuuper charismatic and something draws the eye to him but he does not see it. people may think he's really like in charge all the time but jay feels very insecure internally and doesn't relate to that at all. he often asserts his identity too much or not enough.
he's very unsure and weird about his own identity but everyone around him is like wow, what a strong and in charge guy who is sure of who he is!!
the sun rules his 7th house of relationships so probably he's really drawn to the idea of relationships but can't quite... get there. possibly he'll shy away and avoid the whole thing, or he wont realize how much he is relying on relationships to define his own identity.
unaspected neptune: why do today what you could put off forever?
unaspected neptune is so cute to me. like it can give this feeling of one-ness with the universe kind of thing, like all-forgiving, all-healing, emotionally supportive of others, pisces vibes--and it can also mean just like so much escapism. often all at the same time!
jay might be like: ah i am a capricorn rising taurus sun who deals with his shit all the time right away #goals
while other people: ... girl.... how many things are you procrastinating right now....
OR/AND
jay might be like: i can only express love clumsily through acts of service i wish i was better at that...
while other people: you are literally the most compassionate person i've ever met in my entire life
neptune co-rules his second house, pisces, but neptune is not accessible so he'll have to get at his second house of money, possessions, resources through his taurus jupiter in the 3rd house--intensely practical. probably good. a pisces second house i'd be worried about their overspending.
also with unaspected neptune in the 1st people are beguiled by him. handy quality for an idol! also he is a real shapeshifter and is regularly in a silly goofy mood. he feels sooooOOOO deeply--and it's not the first thing someone notices about him because saturn is there, but it's so obvious otherwise.
also with the two planets in duet, it's possible that the only way jay is able to access his sense of identity or leadership is through neptune--being of service to others, subsuming the self in the group, that kind of thing. it's more common for a duet to act like 2 unaspected planets though.
taurus-scorpio-aquarius: fixed opposition & squares
taurus in general is weighty in jay's chart--i really notice the scorpio (mc, moon) -- taurus (jupiter, saturn, mars) opposition as the big focus. then you look at the square to this opposition in aquarius (uranus) that is exact from his mars and almost exact from his moon.
so we've got a fixed opposition and fixed squares! fixed oppositions and squares are really concerned with stability and attachment--they tend to put up with things until they just can't anymore. tons of willpower, endurance, ability to withstand things, but lord they hate change.
the main debate here is between scorpio and taurus--the taurus signs are clustered around his IC, or his family, his personal history, and scorpio is up by his MC--super visible.
almost everything in jay's life--his sun (ego, self), his saturn (his chart ruler, his maturation and societal conditoning), his mars (survival instincts) and his jupiter (beliefs) are all pulling him down to be routed in taurus: security, physical body, food, possessions--except he has this opposition with his moon and MC in scorpio that want him to destroy in order to transform. or rather they will attract that, so that he is forced to transform. one side wants to stick with the status quo (no no no) the other one wants to have a big crisis in the way you pull up a big rock to see what's underneath.
taurus-aquarius square is so cute and fun, this is the like. taurus is food, the body, providing, etc, and aquarius is social, humanity, a lil detached, obsessed with being Honest--this is the like. provider square. jay's aquarius uranus (change, being different, yassified mercury) bumps up against his very heavy taurus saturn and mars and the way they can reconcile is by like. disappearing into the kitchen at the dinner party to do the dishes or cook kind of energy.
but wait! another square!
girl jay has so much #transformation and #struggle... so many planets in detriment and fall... so many squares.... .. like it's good, it's part of why people like him (moon on MC) and why he'll be able to survive a lot and gain tons of wisdom throughout his life but.... damn buddy...
at least it's a cardinal square!! a cardinal square or opposition is active. it initiates. it's a leader. it rises and grinds EVERY DAY. it doesn't quit! ever!!!
jay's capricorn ascendant--just a sidebar, i love this for an idol (gidle soyeon and ateez hongjoong are also cap rising saturn girlies)--at 12 capricorn is almost exactly square his mercury in aries and more widley square his venus (in detriment!! add it to the list!!) in aries. thank god for these guys bro. seriously. the aries-capricorn square is everything the fixed square isn't. altho it can be quite uhhhhhhh intense? i like that though idk.
capricorn and aries agree on one thing: they want what they want and they want to #achieve now. they'll do whatever they gotta do. they'll run themselves into the ground, it's whatever. the ends justify the means, baby!! with the ascendant involved, jay is intensely ambitious and has unbelievably harsh goals for himself. with taurus involved, the willpower maxes off the charts.
shit in fall or detriment: let's make a list!!
ok i'm gonna hold my personal bias, scorpio moon (my moon too, rip) for the end.
venus in detriment in aries, 3rd house
venus loves to get along, smooth it over, make everything look nice and pretty (even if it is not!), make connections to others, fall in love, fall in friendship--and aries... does not. aries wants to move forward independently and HATES IT if it feels constrained or controlled in any way. aries is opposite libra for a reason--aries asserts and libra is like "whatever you want is fine!"
with aries venus i tend to think it's like almost exclusively they want to be in charge in a relationship, or at least be made to feel like they are in charge--but because venus is in detriment it's kind of confused and trying out things so an aries venus might truly convince themselves that actually they are #chill and #gowiththeflow (they are not).
the 3rd house is the gemini house, which is fun and cute and social. his venus priorities are often his immediate surroundings--the place, the people--and very, very extroverted (the 3rd house isn't always extroverted but the other factors look like that).
let's hit it with some aspects!!
most exact one is trine chiron (the wounded healer) in sagittarius in the 11th. this is exact exact, its orb is 0.01. bro. it's strong, and it's so cute!! help!! sagittarius and the 11th are both sort of philosophical, teacher-y positions, and venus trine chiron here shows he can really heal and be healed through teaching and guiding others. stop. he really has a lot of empathy and is able to see and appreciate people including their faults. stop. this is really big teary eyes emoji.
quincunx moon in scorpio in the 10th-- bud..... maybe it's ok to let people fail for themselves sometimes instead of taking on burdens for everyone... .. ur value is not in this ability... .bud???
square capricorn ascendant: there's a conflict between his purpose in life, or like his driving energy to make things, to lead things, to structure things and his aries venus which wants to set out on its own but also his venus itself which is relationships. capricorn (society) v. aries (the self).
trine sag pluto in the 11th: he's suuuuuper magnetic and people are drawn to him but he almost like. doesn't believe people will like him for himself and not what he looks like? but his personal artistic vision and communication of that vision or that art (venus in 3rd) is easily blown up to the world (trine pluto in the 11th house).
2.mars in detriment in taurus, 4th house
ok. we're gonna get into this more in the #3 but saturn and mars in the fourth house aren't... baller placements for a happy childhood ha ha? saturn shows judgment and restriction at home and mars shows both a drive to action (like he won't be able to sit still at home, he'll have to constantly be doing shit) but also possible aggression (from him or a family member) in his childhood.
anyway mars is an action, assertion, driving planet and taurus wants to go the hell home. taurus does not particularly want to drive or assert, taurus wants shit to stay stable--so someone with a taurus mars might not make changes when they should, but rather just put up with shit they don't like.
with mars and taurus together in the 4th house (home, family) jay cannot sit down and relax at home ever. if you want him to take a break he cannot do it at home because there is always shit to be done. ok let's do some aspects!!
exactly opposite moon in scorpio in the 10th --- haha. hahahaha. haha. well. this one isn't easy. probably there was a lot of tension at home when he was growing up and he internalized the unspoken whatever that was going on around him, and now he's super attuned to any hint of conflict. he's probably really protective of others, often because it felt like the home or family was threatened in some way when he was a child, so now he'll be intensely protective of his family even if it's not beneficial to himself. still, lots of honestly and emotional courage--he feels something and he acts, which is good (although can get him into trouble if not managed well)
mars square uranus in aquarius in the 1st, exact: uranus is important to his identity in the 1st house and in its co-ruler house aquarius, whereas mars is not super comfy either in taurus or in the cancer-y 4th house, but they come together pretty naturally. it's also a fun combo because the energy explosion is wild. endless. decisive, willful, stubborn, doesn't care about typical conventions, great leader because he can face things others don't want to face. he should be careful about accidents with the physical body--accident-prone.
quincunx chiron in sag in the 11th: he doesn't assert himself as much as he should--he lets other people take the reins too much because he doesn't want to cause drama. can get sulky.
mars in the saturn decan: practical, structured, focuses on what is feasible rather than what is possible
3.moon in fall in scorpio in the 10th house
mmm. ok. so let's just say. if ur moon is in scorpio. u probably have mommy issues. sorry!!! if you have nice aspects to the moon maybe it's less direct mommy issues and more like, ur mother had a bad childbirth experience or was going Through It when you were born or something, but usually if i see another scorpio moon i'm like... i know what you are.... if we know things about jay's mom and she seems cool that might be true, but his relationship with her has caused him a lot of emotional pain. any relationship isn't usually all bad, but this is a very real factor for him i think. someone can be a cool person and still make a lot of mistakes as a parent. i mean, everyone likes my mom, so i know how that goes!
in the 10th house this also shows a lot of judgment--jay (a) was judged harshly as a child and (b) judges his own emotional sensitivity, and now he seeks emotional safety through his career and through the public sphere, which is honestly ok if it's not the only place he feels safe, you know?
but he's gotta... jay u gotta go to therapy... buddy... a scorpio moon hides the SHIT out of their own sensitivity and inner pain and girl there is a lot of it. he probably feels deeply misunderstood a lot of the time.
ok we talked about moon opposite mars before
moon opposite saturn in taurus in the 4th-- ahh. well. well well. i can't lie to u. he did not have a nice nurturing childhood. he was probably parentified or in another way had to grow up really early and be responsible for his own emotional care which ironically means that now he still has that child self very active and needy inside!!
he felt rejected as a kid and learned he could only rely on himself. because of that early rejection he really tries to fit in and please people. he is so loyal and takes the feelings of others seriously but he never feels safe for one (1) minute so he is always trying to create a situation where he can be safe emotionally. he is always expecting things to go wrong!
even if he had a hard experience with his family he's really gonna support them, and not be able to individuate without some serious emotional work
buddy!! therapy!! please!!
square uranus in aquarius in the 1st, exact-- again??? again????? parents who maybe felt ambivalent about being parents. there was inconsistency in his early life and he moved a lot. not a lot of stability. even though a huge part of jay wants stability, the emotional-uranus part of him wants to move constantly and change everything. touring probably feels `emotionally safe to him in a way. part of him feels like an alien anywhere he goes, like culturally. he is super super sensitive and intuitive but he sometimes reads rejection when there isn't any there.
moon conjunct MC: ateez wooyoung has this too--it's like an emotional attachment and fulfillment through their career and through like, broadcasting that emotional connection. often very caring of the people the work with, often he feels like is career is caring for others in itself
the emphasis on the 10th-4th house axis and his capricorn-cancer lunar nodes and his moon in the 10th shows his big #journey in this life is coping with family and belonging shit. with his pluto in the 11th his deep soul security need is for liberation from social conditioning. he feels alienated or alone a lot, different from other people, even if he isn't. his soul will feel safe when he can liberate from some of those restrictive ideas of society and also engage in community in a way that feels like he belongs. also there's probably some past life stuff exacerbating everything!
whew what a journey. anyway i'm emotionally bonded to him now, he's my brother and my son thank u.
there’s absolutely zero explanation as to why belift would actually send enhypen to another tour when fate plus (which was ALREADY a very unnecessary tour) ended not even 24 hours.
i genuinely can’t seem to wrap my head around this entire situation because there’s no sane company that would overwork their own artists like this. not when they’re sick. not when they can’t even properly perform and give it their all. not when they themselves have spoken about how draining and tiring these past two years have been for them.
it’s so absurd. so weird and so wrong of belift to send them on a tour ignoring engenes protests. to ignore the trending tags and all the protest trucks. it’s insane because when this was related to female dancers belift didn’t waste a single second and removed them. but when it comes to their artists’ fucking HEALTHS they turn blind to everything.
enhypen’s treatment right now is so ridiculously inhumane. they’ve been on tour with consistent comebacks in between for the past two years. they’ve already had concerts in japan recently with fate & fate+ there’s genuinely NO NEED for them to have a ‘japan world tour’ after fate+. there’s no other explanation to this other than belift being money hungry.
to think that enha will be wrapped up in another tour with possible comeback schedule along with award show performances & practices is just so crazy. i can’t even imagine how cramped their schedule already is and it’s only about to become worse.
please for the love of everything if enhypen are coming anywhere near your vicinity with this tour (that will hopefully get cancelled) please don’t GO! please boycott. please let this be more reasons for you to boycott everything related to enhypen, belift and hybe.
please give enhypen a fucking break. trend this on twitter. post on twitter with the hashtags. reblog every tumblr post related to this. trend the hashtags everywhere. repost the posts asking for a break on twitter. please please please boycott i beg the boys don’t deserve this they genuinely don’t.
not even 24 hours after a 401 day tour, belift are announcing another tour? do they understand how crazy this is? those boys are being worked to the bone and soon enough their health - both physical and mental - is going to decline and then it's not just going to be 'oh jay ill sit out two shows' or 'jake just had to take skip two songs', it's going to end up with them being so overworked that they'll take hiatus' that last months, the members will lose their love for their job, and the entire situation is going to get out of control.
jay has an injury that is already serious but imagine the damage that could be made from all the shows of a new tour? plus all the added schedules ontop of that? ni-ki spoke about how exhausted he was during the tour and that can only lead to further sickness or being mentally and emotionally drained. even if you did go to he concert, could you actually enjoy yourself knowing that they're suffering????
i am begging you all to boycott this tour, i've seen it happen before when fans boycotted mamamoo's tour and it got postponed and the company listened to the concerns. i know it's belift so there is a chance they won't even acknowledge it, but low ticket sales means the promotor and label will most likely cancel which tbh is what we should all want.
enhypen have been working non-stop since debut and i fear it'll only get worse if all of us don't work together on expressing our concerns.
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