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[dasakuryo]

What are your thoughts on Andor? Does this Cassian feel consistent with Rogue one to you?

For the sake of brevity, I am going to sum up my feelings about Cassian characterization in And0r with the following: whenever I am watching And0r, I keep wondering who that Cassian-shaped Glup Shitto is, because it surely isn't Cassian Jeron And*r.

(and I am redacting the show's name/character name so this doesn't show up on searches and tags, btw. Don't want anyone who doesn't have any problems with it to come across my rant).

Now that I've made the above clarification, I am honestly mad as hell at what And0r has done to Cassian's characterization. And I don't know what's worse, if people ignoring that Cassian's characterization was butchered in the show, or people twisting whatever backstory crumbs we got in RO and trying to shoehorn them into whatever they did in And0r... it doesn't fit. It doesn't wrap up or complement Cassian's story coherently, it just doesn't.

Another thing that pisses me off to no end about the show is the fact Cassian is basically an afterthought in a show that is supposed to be about HIM. The event that transpire in And0r should be at the service of telling Cassian's story, not the Rebellion's, but instead we got a show in which the titular character is barely the focus.

There are many things that And0r does well and I love the inclusion of those elements (social criticism, political themes, and their connection to RL issues), I won't go into detail about this because many have done so before and they've highlighted how important is that the show puts forward these messages and conversations.

I wish the show had done Cassian justice, instead of using him as an excuse to tell the story of the Rebellion. There are other elements that bug me about the show, chiefly the notion and recurrent theme that Cassian has to be taught to care and how to rebel by a bunch of characters played by gringues/yanquis (which, when analysed in terms of allegories and rl issues doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth, to say the least), particularly when RO established him as a rebel leader and as someone who didn't sit idly by. Like... what happened to SUDDENLY THE REBELLION IS REAL FOR YOU? SOME OF US LIVE IT. I'VE BEEN IN THIS FIGHT SINCE I WAS SIX YEARS OLD. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO LOST EVERYTHING, SOME OF US JUST DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT (capitals for emphasis).

Apologies for the rambling thoughts, anon. There's a myriad of other things that I don't personally like about And0r when it comes to Cassian's characterization, but all of this kind of sums it all up, I guess. If I feel up to it I may go into more detail tho.

[dasakuryo]

Ai, terminé de asistir lá sociedad de lá nieve (por influencia tuya) y ahora necesito que alguién me abrace y llore conmigo. Que película fenomenal!

Lu, mana!! ❤💗Dejame abrazarte y lloremos juntas 😭💔Por Diosss, qué PELICULÓN!! Amo que casi todos los actores vienen del teatro independiente, Enzo Vogrincic y Esteban Kukuriczka incluidos. La peli deja un montón de enseñanzas y mensajes, pero me parece super importante señalar que hay banda de talento magistral en Uruguay y Argentina, que sale del teatro independiente y todos deberíamos apoyarlo más ♥

[dasakuryo]

maybe this is just me but i cannot stand fiona shaw nor her character in the show ever since she couldn't be bothered to pronounce diego's name correctly

I mean, maarva literally kidnapped a child, forced him to assimilate into a culture and society that was alien to him, shamed him for trying to find meaningful (quite possibly romantic) relationships with others, and talked down on him and treated him like crap when Cassian actually wanted to find his sister (a connection maarva severed herself when she kidnapped him)... so yeah, I am definitely not her biggest fan either, nonnie.

On top of all of that, there's also this: Fiona Shaw couldn't be bothered to pronounce her co-starts name, the LEAD of the show, correctly 🙄

[dasakuryo]

Cassian was characterized oddly and I think they relied on Indigenous and Latino stereotypes to write him

There were definitely some Latine stereotypes at play in the show, not talking here about Cassian’s characterization specifically and/or exclusively, though not all of them were handled badly, in the sense that they call back to real issues in LatAm that I hoped the show would tackle. We can certainly discuss the execution, though, and to what degree it could have been done better.

And about indigenous stereotypes, I won't address this aspect as I am not indigenous myself, but any of my fellow (LatAm) indigenous followers feel free to chime in. I remember a Mexican fan on twitter addressing the issue that, from all fictional sw languages, they decided to base Kenari on Nahuatl and then didn't subtitle it. As a creative choice (ie: letting paralinguistic features, expressions, etc show and tell the events transpiring) is an interesting one, but it in turn bears the question of why they chose not to subtitle those dialogues, and people criticising the choice and saying it contributes to dehumanising indigenous languages/people do have a valid point.

[dasakuryo]

Where are you even getting it from that anyone from Kenari survived? Because all evidence points to the opposite.

So now it's coming on anon into my inbox, I see. Oh, let me see... other from the fact that both Cassian and the sex worker at the brothel mention there was a girl from Kenari there? The fact Cassian hopes she's his sister which implies there is also a chance she isn't, which implies several people from Kenari made it out the planet alive? Or perhaps it's the fact the Empire wants to hunt down any Kenari survivors because they can potentially tell the galaxy what actually went down on Kenari and the atrocities the Empire was responsible of? I don't know take your pick. But sure, there's no evidence that anyone from Kenari survived.

[dasakuryo]

ai, i love you for these tags:

Gilroy wanted to tell a story about the rebellion and butchered Cassian's character in the process because let's face it he didn't care about Cassian as a character

because i am SO BITTER about gilroy specifically and the love he receives within the fandom. it's just... you put it perfectly. he doesn't care about cassian as a character and i see it all over the show. thanks for voicing it. ♥️

Aw, Ani 🥺❤️ Thank you so much!

I am BITTER AS HELL that people keep denying Cassian's characterization was retconned (and butchered) in the show. And to add insult to injury, some people act as if anyone pointing that out is delusional. Who is that Cassian-shaped Glup Shitto? because his core traits are nothing like in RO. Cassian is an afterthought in a show that is allegedly about him and I am supposed to thank Gilroy for it? Yeah, no way. Cassian Jeron Andor, selfless rebel, son of Fest and freedom fighter since a very young age, will never stop being canon to me. Y que Gilroy se vaya alv

[dasakuryo]

fue durante la premiación cuando enzo tenía que ponerse la camiseta con las 3☆ y besar la copa entonces agarró y le pasó a la criatura a julián como si nada, tipo andá con el tío juli un ratito <3 no tengo videos pero tengo fotos https://twitter.com/_k1nney/status/1604560397394014208 https://twitter.com/jkargento/status/1605019222039576577

me hace acordar a angelito y al kun arreando a los hijos de messi cada 2x3 jajajaja

Bueno, acá manejando alto caso de la lloración 🥺😭😍 Procederé a morirme de amor y que se me derrita el corazón 😍

Enjoy everyone!

[dasakuryo]

I can deal with cass being quiet and leading people/inspiring people from the shadows because that makes sense with how he is in rogue one. I can handwave some of the choices made for his backstory because they likely wanted diego to play him for the most part instead of having someone else play him for the majority of the first season (possibly bc they were not doing 5 seasons anymore tbh). I can accept that the show did a great job with a lot of things and love so much of it. and I can also pick and choose what I think about as canon lol.

what I cannot accept is some fans acting as if we're crazy for thinking that cassian was being literal and honest when he told jyn that he's been fighting since six. and if any of these fans have talked shit about jyn for running from the Rebellion bc of trauma and are now okay with cass doing the exact same thing -perhaps worse if they literally changed his age to older than 21- frankly I find that to be a little embarrassing lol but that's just me and you'll probably be a lot more mature ai 🤣

The fact some people cannot grasp the fact some of us would be mad and hurt at the fact they chose to retcon the character traits, and little but meaningful backstory, of a rebel leader standing against a dictatorship played by a Latin American man is mind-boggling. There's a reason, actually several ones throughout (LatAm) history, why Cassian resonated so much with so many people, particularly Latin American fans.