#ava reference

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My research on stikman kind continues

Today's topic: hollowhead's head shape

Have you noticed that their heads aren't circles? And more then that, the crooks and kinks are consistent. Here I searched and traced it for the future reference purposes 👍

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Upd.: I added seethrough version of their heads with neck point. To simply putting it over things.

Over 400 notes?? Dude wtf?? It's a stickman-ology post, it isn't supposed to get more than a 150 or so

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Finally, Ava’s ref is done

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Ava the pansexual's reference!

Name: ava

Gender:(cis) female

Orientation: pansexual

Pronouns: she/her + they/them

Intersex

Notes:

Interested in will

Likes to watch old horror movies

Active trans ally

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The study? The research?... On Hollowheads anatomy? With pictures?

I spent on it way more time than I find pleasing. Srry for language mistakes if there'll be any, I can't be bothered to beta myself for now

👏WELL 👏

It all started when I saw a meme where somestick punched somestick in the bagel hole and it just went through. It got me curious if you can do that or not in the canon. And now we're here.

What else Ahh WAIT -

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR AVA/M

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I had an attempt (and still having mind you) to draw the cg in my style, and I thought that it would be good to share references I fished out of the vids. Damn they are useful.

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR AVA/M

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Dark's scars

Burn scar

Also like the idea of pixel scars for purple and MT and scars on head and forearms for MT only (form beating the shit out of walls).

One more for height difference

I tried to get one for the cg too, but it was incoherent, so I just decided to go off a vague feeling that TSC always looks a little shorter then the others.

Aaand one for the Mitsi-like sticks. Specifically that they unlike usual stiks and hollowheads do have a lines separating one parts of their body from the other. (Look at Mitsi's arms)

Mmm, also I heard Alan said somewhere that he prefers noodle limbs for his characters. There's proof that you can also go for edges for the edgy purposes. Oh, and for adorable firsts too.

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Today's topic: Stickmen's age (updated)

When I found the post I said I won't gonna go frame hunting... But I did it again. I spent a lot of time on this one and I will be more comfortable with keeping it as a separate post and not as a reblog.

Upd.: 14 of October, 2025. My friend billy-the-bee decided to research Primal's and Hazard's ages and now I will update them here too.

TL;DR (chronologically):

🚹Hazard - around 1968, ancient

💣Ballista - probably somewhere in 2003

🔘H4ck3r/victim - 3rd of June, 2006

🕶️Agent - unknown, but for sure roughly the same age as Mitsi or older

🍙Mitsi - 15th of March, 2007

⚫The Chosen One - 15th of March, 2007 (there's a lot of complications here, but canonicaly it's this date)

🩷🗑️🧡Pink Orchid, Royal Blue/ Navy, King Orange/ Mango Tango - before 2006-2007 and definitely older then Gold and Purple

💛💜Gold, Purple - somewhere before the CG (2006-2007)

🔴🟡🟢🔵Red, Yellow, Green, Blue - somewhere in 2006-2007. bruh.

🦣Primal - somewhere in 2008 probably

⭕The Dark Lord - 2nd of October, 2011

🔅The Second Coming/ Orange - 2nd of October, 2014

If we take that everyone was 12 when they got created (it's a popular headcanon), aside from born stiks (which we assume are Purple and Gold) and the Color Gang (because bruh 💀) then it'll be:

Hazard - 69 💀

Pink, RB, MT - 35+

Ballista - 34

Agent, H4ck - 31

Mitsi, Chosen - 30

Primal - 29

Dark - 26

Gold, Purple - ~24

Orange - 23

RYGB - 20-23

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MAJOR AVA/M SPOILERS. Full research under the cut

Let's get ☝️🤓

Terminology and boundaries

1) I'm going to call victim by their new name - H4ck3r, because they chose it and we don't do deadnaming here. I'm not going to call The Chosen One by the name NO ONE because it was forced upon them. TSC for Orange because it's common fanon and I like it more.

2) They/them for everyone exept Mitsi. Because I can't trust Alan's viewship of male gender for characters. I can't shake the feeling that most of the characters are default gender instead of truly male.

3) The process of creating a stickman character and the moment they gain sentience are not the same thing. It's easy to dismiss if we talking about hollowheads only, since their creation is really simple and fast. But it's a different story for Mitsi. I will count everyone's ages since the moment they gain sentience and will refer to it as "awakening" or "waking up". The day one got created - creation date.

4) Awakening doesn't work the same way that human birth does. Newly awaken sticks are comparable to way older humans, therefore they have age before they actually start to age. I'll call it aaa - age at awakening.

So, let's start 👏👏👏

Hazard

"Hazard has probably been around since the start of digital canvases, as Pictogram Sticks of his type were invented as far back as 1936, but the design about perfected for public use by 1968, around the time personal computers and the internet was born (but at the time still privately owned/government exclusive). Both design developers from Germany, specifically the Berlin area.Hazard may very well be ancient by computer and web standards period!" © Billy-the-bee

Source on the pictograms, source on the first graphic programme

Aaa is unknown

Ballista. By the ava/m univers logic usually the date of video upload is roughly the day of stick creation if not stated otherwise. I don't know how old is video with Ballista but the oldest video I found is a reupload from 12ve September of 2006 and that person kept it for a while before.

According to this source gif with Ballista was created in 2003. Aaa is unknown.

H4ck was created and woke up on 3rd of June, 2006. Aaa is unknown.

Mitsi woke up the same day H4ck escaped, therefore 15th of March, 2007. It's ~1 year difference. Creation date is unknown (at least to my knowledge), aaa is unknown.

TCO was made and woke up... Half a year aftet H4ck's awakening, huh. I thought it was a year at least. And 5 month before the escape. 8th of November, 2006, aaa is unknown.

I looked up the ava/m wiki, here and here, apparently things were changed, got complicated and now TCO shares birthday with Mitsi - 15th of March, 2007 🤷

Primal

"I learned how a cave painting became digital. There's a rl problem with fungus and mold slowly destroying the quality of the RL paintings, so they've been gradually digitally recreated and preserved to the best of science's capabilities as they try to rescue the physical copies. They only started this digital protection around 2008 onward, so I ALSO got a date for when Primal was first put to a canvas and thus wound up in the Outernet!" © Billy-the-bee

Source

Aaa is unknown.

TDL was created and woke up 2nd of October, 2011. ~4 years after TCO, aaa is unknown

TSC was created and woke up at 2nd of October, 2014. Exactly 3 years after TDL. Aaa is unknown but Alan said that he viewed TSC and other gang as 10-13 y/o and TSC being the oldest. So we can speculate that TSC's aaa is ~13. BUT. Don't forget - on 30mill Q&A Alan said that the Color Gang is late teens-young adults now.

Color gang was already present for some time before TSC. Let's look at Alan's opinion...

bruh

It's like 2006-2007. They're the same age as H4ck3r, Mitsi and Chosen. I'd prefer to think that they gain sentience way after their upload.

Purple and their family date of creation is unknown and it's canon that it's unknown. But they at least as old as 2011, since we can spot them at TCO and TDL's NewGrounds attack at 2011. Alan also said that Purple's birthday is in February. Aaa's unknown but it's clear that Pink Orchid and Royal Blue/Navy are their parents and therefore way older.

Also we witnessed Purple as a toddler which is really tricky. It means that they're either a born stick or they were created at a very young age. It also means that they probably closer to a human then to a drawn stick in their experience. We can also assume that Purple, Pink and RB were awake at least for some years for Purple to grow up and possibly be born at the first place.

UPD.: Alan and co. confirmed that Purple older then the CG. It means All of them at least as old as 2006-2007.

King Orange/ Mango Tango and Gold are in the similar situation. We witnessed the growth of Gold. But we can state that they are for sure similar in ages to Pink, RB and Purple, because when Purple and MT first met up Purple was already mourning the loss of one of their parents and abandonment of the other. And MT was already spiralling because of the loss of their child.

Also! MT clearly saw Gold in Purple + Gold was similar in size to Purps when the Minecraft tragedy happened. They look similar. Or at least Gold in the past looks similar to present Purple. Maybe Gold was a little younger, judging by the size of their parent. If you go further down you'll learn that tragedy probably wasn't that for ago from Purple and MT's meet up. Therefore Purple and Gold are roughly the same age☝️. Give or take couple of years.

As a treat I tried to fish out the time difference between Gold's tragedy and avm season 3 (witch happened within 2 hours).

The tragedy happened at least in June of 2021, since dripstone was added at that time.

The 3rd season happened on 12ve of June, 2021

Doesn't line up, does it? So let's forget this couple of seconds with dripstone and go off of things that were more present. Neterite and piglins. MT tried to use netherite before the command block and Minecraft icon. Nether update - 23rd of June, 2020. Sounds better, isn't it? You're welcome 👍

Okay, I think that's all, bye

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ahhh fuck it, health and gore is on hiatus

THERE'S STUFF TO SHARE!

Most of the stick's hex codes and the color to pick directly.

* - is for the colors I'm not sure about

× - is for my ocs, you can change these squares for whatever you want

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Proportions break

What do you need to know:

They all are heavily inconsistent, it's inevitable

RYGB and classics are all the same height

TCO and TDL are the same height - it's consistent from the beginning to the present day

TSC is often either slightly taller or slightly shorter then other Color Gang members

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oops, some ava8 spoilers under the cut

I'm lazy to fish the screenshot proofs for the "they are ment to be the same height" statements but I can if you want

Do you need it?

Prove the thing

I trust you bro

See the resaults

Voting ended onDec 8, 2025

I found out that I had prepared pics already. Dude that's a prof deformation

But aaawww ty guys~

The new sticks height proof

The old godling's proof

The classic's proof