#black triangle

[actualgamergrill]

triangles when they're black or something

[apollo-soyuz1975]

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

America was hungry. And bored. And of all Nations, his two rivals were the only ones to respond his text to fix both problems. He accepted their invitation to make dinner together at Russia’s house out of desperation, and ended the night with a full stomach, future plans, and some new...friends? Frenemies, he’ll stick with that instead.

My piece from the World on a Plate zine.

[psychoaltt]

I'm sunshine what the fuck

[kisskisscantfallinlove]

this is the black triangle. btw

[lynnnnstuff]

Black Triangle Series

They are both so quick-witted and childish, I love it!

A long time since I’ve drawn black triangle. It’s Amechu because I received a comment about it. Sometimes it's really that easy to make me draw. 🙈

Lynnnn Stuff

[djuvlipen]

hey just a question, why did you say the results of the lesbian flag poll were cringe?? is there a problem with the labrys flag that i am not aware of because i learned it existed only some months ago and don't know anything about it or was it about something else like the other options?

I talked about it a few times in the past but basically the association of the black triangle with lesbians is a historical fallacy

There was no State persecution of lesbians in Nazi Germany. German homosexuals were deported on the basis of the §175 of the penal code, which referred exclusively to homosexual males. Some Nazi politicians argued in favour of expanding this article to include lesbians too, but this never happened because the general opinion was that lesbians, as women, could not genuinely be exclusively same sex attracted and could be 'reeducated' by the sexist laws that confined women to the family household. So lesbians weren't sent to any camp on the mere basis of their sexuality. Instead, Nazi lesbophobia looked like that:

closing down lesbian social places, like bars

shutting down lesbian newspapers and cultural magazines

(Weimar Germany had the most vibrant lesbian scene in Europe in the 1920s)

prohibition of lesbian subculture in general

increased social control of lesbians in the public sphere, with lesbians being reported to the authority if engaging in homosexual behaviour, which could lead to jail time (not camp)

In Austria, there were law articles explicitly condemning lesbianism, but lesbians were sent to Austrian jails, not to Nazi camps There is no archival evidence of one single lesbian being sent to a concentration camp (needless to say, there's even less evidence of a lesbian being sent to an extermination camp) for the sole reason of her sexuality. In Ravensbrück, the largest Nazi women-only concentration camp, we found record of only three women whose individual files mentionned their being lesbians. In two of those cases, those women had been deported because they were political opponents, with 'lesbian' an aggraviating factor. In the other case, the woman was deported as an 'asocial' and therefore made to wear the black triangle signifying 'asocial'

Then, in the late 80s, with the emergence of commemoration politics regarding the Nazi persecution of gay men, lesbian activists started attending commemorative events and that is when the argument that lesbians were made to wear the black triangle started to be told in speeches. Those speeches didn't quote any archival evidence. Personally, I think people got this idea because the memoirs and autobiographies that were published in the postwar era were, for the vast majority, written by former political deportees. In Nazi camps, political prisoners and asocial prisoners had a feud and fought to get to the top of the camp hierarchy. Both sides disparaged the others with lies. In Nazi camps, homosexual relationships were common among all prisoner categories, but political female prisoners weaponized this against asocial prisoners to paint them as 'masculine, dominating, Nazi-loving dykes', and they described them as such in their memoirs

tl;dr: lesbians weren't sent to camps en masse because of their sexuality, lesbians weren't made to wear the black triangle on the sole basis of their sexuality except for one lone recorded case, and the association of lesbians with the black triangle comes from postwar homophobic literature

I gotta say tho, Nazis burnt a lot of archival evidence so maybe there used to be a lot of texts pertaining to groups of lesbians being deported for their sexuality but since that has never been brought up in any witness testimony, that's unlikely

Also, badge identification systems varied from one camp to another (like in some camps, Jews didn't wear a yellow star but a blue and white armband), that's something people seem to forget when they want to argue one badge necessarily meant one thing exclusively. as for Sinti and Roma, the black triangle, the black triangle with a white Z in it, and the brown triangle were used depending on context. At Auschwitz, the people made to wear the black triangles were 'asocials' (people whose behaviour was detrimental for the well-being and development of the race; you could conceptualize it as a form of 'social racism' or racism applied to social classes as the poor were the most impacted by it; petty criminals, prostitutes, alcoholics, homeless people, etc.; they served a time in the camp before being allowed to come back to civil society. this was not the case for the Sinti and Roma who were associated with the 'asocial' because criminality, prostitution, etc, were deemed natural to the Romani race, and who weren't allowed to ever leave the camp because they were destined to be killed)

Lesbians and the Third Reich

Beginning in 1933, the Nazi regime harassed and destroyed lesbian communities and networks that had developed during the Weimar Republic.

Books:

on the tensions between asocial and political prisoners

Nikolaus Wachsmann, KL: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps

on the persecution of lesbians in Nazi Germany and Austria

Regis Schlagdenhauffen, Queer in Europe during the Second World War [yes, I know, it says 'queer', but it's a bad translation. the original title says 'homosexuals']

on political female prisoners associating lesbianism with asocial prisoners to paint them as masculine, dominating and pro-Nazi in their memoirs

Claudia Schoppmann, “This Kind of Love”: Descriptions of Lesbian Behaviour in Nazi Concentration Camps (available here)

[sherlockshawklikenose]

I'm sorry if what I'm going to say doesn't make sense but I'm too angry to correct any mistakes.

I hate and by that i mean HATE queer people that don't know their history. I know we shouldn't hate each other but i Always hate people that talk without knowing and don't even try to understand.

"Lesbian are only women loving women" be fucking for real, were you born yesterday?

"Pink triangles are not ok to reclaim" THEY WERE OUR "FIRST" BIG SYMBOL. IT SYMBOLISE THAT WE'RE STILL HERE AND PROUD EVEN AFTER THE ATROCIOUS THINGS THEY DID AND CONTINUE TO DO TO OUR COMMUNITY. Nobody forces you to use the pink triangle to represent yourself but you have no right to take away other queers people way of protesting (yes having queer symbols on you is a form of protest in my eyes)

"the labrys flag is transphobic" except it isn't. Sadly it has been used by lesbian terfs but y'all have the power to reclaim it. It's a beautiful flag, with beautiful meanings.

Like it's obviously not possible for every queer person to know EVERY detail of everything that happened but at least learn a bit of the major things and when someone talks about smth you don't know, DONT GIVE YOUR UNSOLICITED CRITICISM, sit and listen and learn

Ignorance is not a right

[spinnando]

It might be aliens. For Krue on Art Fight.