#c!madduo

[bleue-flora]

Ya know the post-prison c!Wilbur interaction [vod] has always kinda bothered me because why give in. I mean we know c!Dream’s motive isn’t really power over c!Wilbur, instead one of the biggest reasons for his revival I think was likely an act of desperation for escape in the midst of months of daily torture. So if c!Wilbur’s leverage is bogus then why give in. And upon rewatching it today I wonder if it’s because - he just wanted to be left alone. Sure he could have fought and killed them but then that brings people to his door trying for revenge or to get them revived, or both. Sure he could have refused c!Wilbur but isn’t that how he ended up being tortured in prison for almost a year…

See I’m starting to wonder if what c!Wilbur didn’t realize is that c!Dream already lost everything in prison, he has already been helpless and humiliated and begged on his knees and obeyed with “yes sir” falling from his lips just to minimize the pain and keep breathing another day. Maybe c!Wilbur thinks its obedience because of his leverage, that he ‘knows c!Dream so well,’ when its actually about something else. Just like c!Dream coming back after c!Tommy kills him in staged finale. Maybe c!Dream is just so tired of them all. He doesn’t follow through with any of his threats except the ones for his torturer because it probably all seems so trivial now, what are discs and politics in the face of torture, in the face of death. In the face of what he just survived and what he fears is coming, what are c!Tommy’s and c!Wilbur’s antics except a way to bring the whole server to his doorstep. After all, I think one of the reasons he left the disc under c!Tommy’s house was to keep him away by making him too terrified, so wouldn’t it make sense here to give in, in hopes that if he gives them what they want they’ll be satisfied and not come back. And maybe that’s why he’s also so pissed in the finales about c!Tubbo and c!Tomny’s assassination - he left them alone, he gave them everything they wanted, and yet still they came to his home to murder him in his sleep because how dare he try and live his life, how dare he try and just coexist…

[bobobingy]

HM au Dream haha

Me when I imagine the situationship I low-key enabled into dying because the other seven people hate my guts 🥰🥰

She imagines him as he was - not a good person, but not a horrible person as some of the others in exile say he was. He is sarcastic, and he is bitter but he was so charming and smart.

[sundewhasaudhd]

It’s late, I have school tomorrow, I was scrolling through the TGWDLM, and this popped into my head, so I made it and now will be presenting it to you

ESPECIALLY LovePoison!MAD duo

[dreamsclock]

Write about MAD duo

Ok!

How do you write an ending?

The correct answer is that you don’t. The ending writes itself. Hits when least expected, ravages everything in its path. Destroys gods and blesses the underdogs. Renders the world and its occupants reeling in the aftermath. The ending is the ending is the ending and Dream, God, is so fucking tired.

Despite his terror and frustration when the server dies, for one stupidly emotional moment, he’s relieved.

And in that moment he thinks he sees Wilbur.

Not as he’d become: maddened, jaded, never without a cigarette and that old coat that hadn’t been washed in months. But as he’d been (as he always will be, in Dream’s mind): healthy, standing tall and proud in his L’Manburg uniform, a smile on his face that reeks of ambition and drive and knowing.

It had turned Dream’s stomach then. It makes him reach out now.

Wilbur grins as his hand locks with Dream’s, only briefly. The touch sends electric jolts up Dream’s arm: or maybe that’s the shockwaves from the missile hitting, he doesn’t care anymore doesn’t know. But for a moment he’s startled by the connection. “Look at that,” Wilbur muses, eyes alight, “your finished symphony.”

Dream can’t breathe. Smoke and silence clogs his lungs. His body is weightless, momentarily, floating in an abyss where his senses are smothered by Wilbur, Wilbur, Wilbur. Says his name now, mouth unwieldy and untethered. “It’s not my symphony,” he says, and Wilbur laughs.

“Guess not.” The older man is drifting away, form dissolving in sudden rays of sun. “You didn’t even finish it in the end, did you? Didn’t even get to give yourself the ending you wanted.” Wilbur’s smile is wry and wide. “So much for the prison. So much for the plan.”

Dream’s eyes are blinded. Shielding them, he calls out, exposed and raw: “You knew this would happen. Didn’t you?”

A laugh rings in his head as he blinks awake, bleary-eyed and brightening at the sight of an unfamiliar server. There’s a sun in the sky and a path under his feet, and it almost feels like home. But it’s missing cigarette smoke: and Dream can’t help but feel like someone is watching over him, resigned to watching history repeat, as he turns to start his new life.

[bleue-flora]

ALSO I want to add that I've seen some ridiculous takes about c!Dream being the one "manipulating" c!Wilbur into blowing up L'Manberg, but that's easily debunked by the fact that c!Dream was IN L'Manberg at the time of the explosion. Like, c!Dream wasn't the one planting the tnt, and c!Dream is still in L'Manbrurg with everyone else, waiting for the explosion. This makes it clear that Dream didn't know that Wilbur wanted everyone to die because of the tnt: c!Wilbur didn't tell him part of the plan, and c!Wilbur's plan failed, so c!Dream will never know. How can c!Dream be the mastermind behind L'Manberg explosion, if c!Wilbur didn't even told him the whole plan?

Either way, I don't think c!Wilbur was as possessive of c!Dream as he was of the nation and its people, but I do think c!Wilbur wanted c!Dream to die because of the explosion, among other things and people. He praises c!Dream for helping with their overall plan like c!Dream is his good dog, saying he's 'so proud' of him, even though he previously said he was 'Dream's vassal'. I think c!Dream is very important to the narrative of L'Manberg: Dream is The evil & The tyrant that L'Manberg is fighting against, c!Dream is one of the things that gives c!Wilbur power, because without an enemy to fight against, the people of L'Manberg wouldn't have been so involved in the movement in the first place. And c!Wilbur acknowledges it, of course he is — he was the one creating that narrative in the first place. And since he is destroying L'Manberg and everything associated with it, c!Dream has to go too. c!Dream has never been in control of the narrative when c!Wilbur is around, he even lost control of the narrative of his own life because of c!Wilbur, and he IS pretty much c!Wilbur's victim as much as everyone else there.

[previous]

Yeah those takes really miss it, don’t they. In fact, Dream was very blatantly manipulated even in the vassal conversation. For starters, Wilbur called Dream after he already decided to blow it all up, so how can Dream manipulate Wilbur into doing something that was his idea in the first place. The man rains TNT from the sky in doomsday, you don’t think that if he was manipulating Wilbur to blow things up he wouldn’t give him 3 stacks of TNT that he’d have prepared in advance instead of the 55 pieces. 

So, that’s the first thing. The second has to do with the fact that in that same conversation, Dream is actually hesitant. He talks about how he wants L’manberg and he doesn’t want Schlatt because he’s too ambitious, so Wilbur then says how that’s made him ambitious forcing Dream’s hand to avoid another ambitious ruler by making Dream fear that he’ll be replacing one hungry tyrant with another. 

[vod] Dream: “And I think that—I do want Pogtopia and Manburg to be nothing more and I want L’Manburg to be something.” Tommy: “Why do you want L’Manburg, Dream? We’re the reason—You’re the reason we had to make L’Manburg.” Dream: “Schlatt is ambitious and that’s a bad thing. He’s—He wants power, he wants land, he wants to expand… You guys, having your own little server where you just—You frolicked around in the flowers, that’s fine by me. I don’t care. But Schlatt” Tommy: “Well, it wasn’t fine by you when we had our war, Dream. So, this is an awkward change of tone.” Dream: “Well, I had a change of heart. I had a change of heart.” Wilbur: “Dream! This has made me ambitious! Dream! If I’m taking power again, I will be ambitious, Dream! That’s what I’m saying! Let me blow it up! Let me destroy it all!”

Wilbur says this very intentionally to counter Dream’s reason for wanting to keep the country, thereby manipulating Dream into giving him the TNT. It was all Wilbur’s idea and his plan and he roped Dream into it. 

As far as your point about Dream not knowing and that Wilbur wanted to kill him. We don’t necessarily know if that’s true. In that conversation, Wilbur does reveal his plan and warns Dream of when to leave. 

Wilbur: “Thank you. Thank you. But let me tell you though. Don’t—at this festival uh… this—which you are invited to, I believe, it’s happening in like a week. Uh… Just—when Tubbo starts doing his speech? You may wanna leave ‘cause that’s when I’m gonna detonate the whole place. So… Make sure you’re not around for that one.”

So Dream knew it was going to detonate during the speech and he had the forewarning to escape. Now, granted Wilbur didn’t end up doing it then and it does seem to me that Dream is almost surprised when Wilbur detonates the TNT later, as if that time he wasn’t informed of the timing. But that’s just speculation. So I’m not sure if Wilbur wanted Dream dead or that Dream didn’t know people would die. There just isn’t enough evidence for those I think, though I could be wrong. Though clearly I think Dream has no problems with blowing up the nation which often kills people even if non-canonically, so in that way perhaps he wasn’t thinking about it in the same way Wilbur was…

Honestly, I almost wonder if it’s more likely that Wilbur wanted Dream to live so Dream would face the consequences and hate of his actions. If that’s why he wanted Phil to kill him because he didn’t want to be hated and held accountable for the pain he caused. Dream gave him the TNT though so he knew they’d likely be mad at him instead and perhaps he found satisfaction in that. Dream did try and ruin his plans time and time again, and was why he lost one of his canon lives… he can go out with a bang as the mad founder of the nation and Dream can take the fall, what better revenge do you need? I mean it sure did work… I don’t know just a thought. You are right though, in the end, Dream was never in control of the narrative with Wilbur involved but honestly he wasn’t when Wilbur left either. Wilbur had already written the script and cast his role as the villian after all (not a reference to like literal cc script in case that wasn’t clear). 

Dream was absolutely manipulated by Wilbur (and honestly I might write an essay comparing transcripts about it in more detail) just like everyone else and I’d almost argue perhaps he’s one of Wilbur’s biggest victims…

No need to apologize, I can hardly judge lol. And I mean very understandable. Gotta stand up for our boy Dream. <3

[sundewhasaudhd]

I was just rereading all my DSMP AU scripts I and I wanted to post this specific line form a c!MAD duo script WIP:

I hate c!Dream with my entire being, fuck him

[sundewhasaudhd]

Hey, y’all :D

A couple days ago, I was thinking about an unhealthy relationship I was I had with someone during/right after lockdown, and I was like “hey, just like c!Wilbur with c!Dream lol”. So I decided to post the chain of thoughts I had and put it into the context of c!Wilbur, specifically Revivebur, in my main AU since I haven’t posted anything original (I REALLY need to get caught up on that pride art). It won’t be exactly what I thought (it was a day or two ago after all), but it’ll be pretty similar. So, with that being said, please enjoy my/Revivebur’s vent about a toxic relationship:

Why do I do this? Why do I still downplay your actions in my head? I know you were awful, I constantly say you’re a bitch when I talk about you. And yet, sometimes I still think, “it wasn’t that bad”, “I don’t really know if that was manipulation, I don’t even remember most of it, it was a while ago after all”. But, I know that’s not really true. Others have confirmed that you were awful, I know that you were awful to them. And I remember you making me cry, I hadn’t cried that much in a while. I know you sometimes took advantage of my feelings for you. At least, I think you did. I thought highly of you, even though I saw you treat people badly. I loved was infatuated with you. I remember watching you hurt others. Yet, sometimes i still think “it wasn’t that bad”. Did it count as bullying? Manipulation? Abuse? I don’t know. I think it might. Abuse might be too much. It probably is. But I really don’t know anymore. I don’t know if I don’t remember it because my brain blocked it out, or because of the ADHD. It’s hard to say. I do know you made me feel worthless sometimes. Whether intentionally or not, I can’t say. I just know that… I don’t know. I don’t really know your intentions, I just know that you hurt me. And that hurt others. But there I go again, with that stupid, stupid thought of “hey, maybe it wasn’t that bad” and “you’re probably just over exaggerating”. I’m sure you weren’t trying to hurt me. Then again, maybe you were. But why would you do that? How you that benefit you? “It wasn’t that bad, it wasn’t that bad, it wasn’t that bad, it wasn’t that bad.” “Why are you like this? You weren’t important enough to him for it to be intentional.” “I know he’s bad, I know he’s bad, I KNOW HE’S BAD.” I’ve come to this conclusion so many times before, so why, why is there sometimes that little voice that says “it wasn’t that bad”? The people I’ve talked to about it all agree you were awful to me, and so did I. So why do I keep thinking “it wasn’t that bad”. “IT WAS YOUR FAULT. YOU DESERVED IT. HE DID NOTHING WRONG TO YOU. YOU JUST WHAT TO FEEL LIKE PEOPLE HAVE DONE BAD THINGS TO YOU. YOU DON’T EVEN REMEMBER MOST OF IT, HOW CAN YOU SAY HE WAS AWFUL. IT WASN’T THAT BAD, IT WASN’T THAT BAD, IT WASN’T THAT BAD, IT WASN’T THAT BAD. IT WAS ALL YOUR FAULT.” I… I’m done thinking about this.

I should go paint or something

That sounds like a good idea

Wait, I should probably take my meds first

Alright, what should I paint

Stop being thinking about it, just paint

Not thinking, just painting

This is hard, not thinking

Though, I guess it doesn’t matter if I think

How do I decide what to think though

Any thought is fine, just not…

Try not to think about him

But it’s not that easy

All my thoughts, they just lead back to…

Dream.

“IT WASN’T THAT BAD IT WASN’T THAT BAD IT WASN’T THAT BAD IT WASN’T THAT BAD IT WASN’T THAT BAD IT WASN’T BAD AT ALL IT WASN’T BAD AT ALL IT WASN’T BAD AT ALL IT WASN’T BAD AT ALL HE MADE YOU SO HAPPY HE WAS WONDERFUL TO YOU HE WAS WONDERFUL HE WAS PERFECT YOU UNGRATEFUL LITTLE-”

“YOU DON’T THINK THAT YOU DON’T THINK THAT YOU DON’T THINK THAT!”

“-YOU LOVED HIM YOU LOVED HIM YOU LOVED HIM HE COULD’VE LOVED YOU YOU’RE JUST UNLOVABLE-”

“YOU HATE HIM YOU HATE HIM YOU HATE HIM YOU HATE HIM!”

“-HE DIDN’T LOVE YOU SO WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE”

Why. Am. I. Like. This. Why am I still thinking about you? It’s like I’m back at the van, hoping that you’d love me back. Why do you just pop in my head sometimes? I know that I hate you, that you were awful, and yet, whenever I think about it, there always that little voice that says “IT. WASN’T. THAT. BAD. :)”

Yo, Sundew here. This turned out REALLY long. A lot longer than I expected, that for sure. Again these alert my exact thoughts, but it’s the same general thoughts. By the way, I think this’d be really cool a comic. I’d do it, but I don’t have the best record when it comes to finishing comics. But if anyone else thinks that this would be interesting as a comic, and would like to make it, you can dm/Tumblr message (still don’t know what it’s called) me or send me an ask about it. (PLEASE, SOMEONE IN THIS FANDOM, PLEASE MAKE THIS A COMIC, IT’D MEAN I LOT TO ME). Anyways, have a good day/night, bye :D

[sundewhasaudhd]

Doodle dump (part one)

Grace doing her little spin during Bully the Bully/Bury the Bully

The nerd squad *vine boom sound while the QPR flag fades on top them*

Aspen’s so fucking real

c!Clementine doodle from the Epilogue

Aspen doodle

11 year old Aspen after their first murder

Wilbur Cross doodles

c!Wilbur’s not during so hot you guys

Blinky, he’s a watchin

Doodles from the c!madduo Nerdy Prudes Must Die (the song) animatic I’ve made in my head

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