#c!techno crit

[cellworm]

Cold as ice take(or maybe hot take idk) i just don't think that c!techno was as well written as everyone say. A lot of people seem to praise writing of c!techno and say that its perfect but idk. I just think it's not true. There were s lot of things that were off with his writing and i can't really enjoy him as a character because it made him feel really boring and stagnant.

[cmyknoise]

I don't know about others but the reason I didn't listen to "you are a person techno" it's because it felt empty, like it had no meaning and it was just static. I don't know if that is actually true (I don't understand his character very well and I can't get inside his mind) but it didn't feel like it (but maybe if he were to say it again I would listen and believe)

in my opinion it's the 'i'm a person part' from techno that is empty. and techno's pov was the one i watched first on doomsday.

techno holds people like dream on a higher step than tommy, despite dream being the one to view techno like an actual weapon.

tommy has treated techno like a person far more than dream ever has, and dream isn't even subtle about it. he only ever talks to techno when he needs something or wants to use him because he's powerful.

on november 16th dream was in part reason for techno setting off the withers, as he riled him up in chat and egged him on. he only saved techno's life on his execution date because he knew he could use the favor against techno (something he would then hold over his head for the next few months by saying 'no i'll save it'). on doomsday, dream only went along with things because he knew techno had tommy, or had suspicions of things, and once it was obvious techno was freshly wounded over a 'betrayal' (which i'll speak of later) did he ask him to join him for doomsday.

and yet he views dream more neutrally than tommy.

tommy ran to techno after exile. did he steal things? sure. did he hide? yeah. but during their later companionship, tommy went along with each and every thing techno wanted him to do. tommy treated him with respect and put his trust in him. he never treated him as anything less than a person. the biggest argument i see is usually people saying that well, tommy called him 'the blade'. on a meta standpoint: that is cc!tommy's nickname for cc!techno. it has been for a very long time and still is. it also sounds badass. use of it doesnt mean he sees techno as only a weapon.

tommy sat with techno on a bench and reminisced about stars. he helped techno get his weapons back, despite his hesitance toward doing anything of ill will towards new l'manburg.

on the contrary i'd argue that despite them both betraying each other, it was techno who betrayed tommy on a much deeper level, which makes his 'im a person' argument feel much more hollow. because if you look back at both of their vods from that era, which i've watched both perspectives from them of that area, you see that it was techno who used tommy for far much than vice versa.

tommy got nothing out of his companionship with technoblade other than protection against dream after his abuse in exile, but we see that not even that was promised as techno was willing to give him up for the deal if dream had so asked.

all tommy had voiced to technoblade that he wanted was his discs, and that he didnt like the idea of destroying the place.

techno made no moves- not once to even help him get his discs back. who, at the time, tubbo had one and skeppy had one (dream got one from skeppy right before he'd caught them at the nether portal).

it wasn't a hard feat, there was never an attempt at techno getting anything tommy wanted. but he sure had tommy come along with him to get his armor and weapons. to do recon on l'manburg. to set up the army of wolves.

in fact, techno had a list, as did tommy, of things he'd wanted to do. top of the list had been to destroy and get revenge on l'manburg, and once tommy had voiced he didnt want to do that, techno stopped bringing it up. but to chat, when he'd go over his list of things to do, he'd purposefully highlight that part of the list, not read it, but show that he wouldn't budge on that idea.

sure, he offered tommy to sit it out. but tommy was vocal on tubbo still being his friend- on him still having friends in that place. that offer was to essentially let tommy sit by and do nothing as his home, which he was still attached to, and his friends, suffered. not to mention there were several times where techno had asked if those people were really friends or really worth it (which directly echoes things dream said in exile. i wont hold that detail against him because he doesnt know what happened in exile, but it is still very shitty to do)

then you have the community house scene. where tommy had been up front about his position on destroying l'manburg since the beginning. he'd nearly told techno every stream he didnt want to do it, or it wasnt a good idea. so, when he'd shouted 'the discs were worth more than you ever were' he realized something.

they weren't. he said it in anger because he knew it'd hurt, and regret it immediately.

and that is when he 'betrayed' techno. as if in the same situation of choosing someone like tommy or phil, techno wouldn't have chosen phil. emerald duo and clingy duo are two sides of the same coin in the sense that they'd chose each other over anyone else.

tommy didnt want to destroy the place. he'd only wanted his discs and to go home and he couldnt get one- and he'd realized that techno and dream were putting him in a mindset of this cycle of revenge that he didnt want a part of, so he immediately rectified the situation and stood at tubbo's side.

that was tommy's betrayal, as if techno hadn't been betraying tommy's trust the entire time they were working together. as if techno wasn't betraying tommy by siding with dream. which you can not even argue techno wouldn't have known did nothing, as tommy may not have said what dream did, he knew whatever it was warranted tommy to go into panic attacks multiple times whenever it was brought up.

but doomsday arrives. tommy fights alongside tubbo. they die many times, they dont have any gear left by the time they have the confrontation with techno. there is a long back and forth between tommy and techno.

but it essentially boils down to techno blaming the outcome on government, tommy and wilbur not helping techno out of a 'high pressure situation' when he executed tubbo (when may i remind you during those vods neither tommy or wilbur had any weapons or armor fit to fight anyone, let alone the fact that they werent allowed to be there. techno said he couldn't 1 v 20, yet he did anyway and killed tubbo) tommy not being loyal, l'manburg being corrupt and not free, etc.

and tommy shouting about how techno had betrayed him, asking why he couldnt just leave people alone because they weren't bothering him, why he couldnt just let people love what they love, why techno killed tubbo even before he was president or apart of a government, etc.

the lines of 'i'm a person' and 'you are techno, but so are we!' come in.

techno solidifies the idea that he's a person, which he is! he's a person, not a weapon, but he's telling the wrong person. because tommy hasn't been the one to treat him like anything less than a person. he very much considers techno a friend and voiced/shouted it many times.

then tommy's part comes in, which i think is a catch because he's not talking about himself. not entirely. tubbo is standing beside him. someone who, according to even techno's own admittance, was killed innocently in his execution. tubbo has to this day not recieved an apology and is infact very much been a target of techno.

behind him you have a battle. you have people like jack manifold, quackity, sapnap, eret, ranboo, etc all fighting. the 'we' is referring to all of them, because based on the surrounding conversation, thats what he's talking about.

because as much as techno is a person, so is everyone else. and this line is so important but overlooked because i think people forget the true devastation of doomsday. because it wasn't just a take down of a government. they didn't only target the government. the entire country was destroyed. peoples homes, their livelihoods. all of their items, gear. several pets were losts. memories were lost. the entire library which held almost every single historical document on that server was lost.

after doomsday so many people had no where to go- which is directly why so many people are divided now. and how many people, even now, don't have homes, that had once found a place to stay in l'manburg. how many people wondered aimlessly with no direction. because lmanburg wasnt just buildings and a government. it was a place people gathered to talk. it was a meeting place, and where so so many people lived.

i also beg you to look at ghostbur's speech to philza, because he says it perfectly. there were people in that town, entirely innocent of techno's devastation. jack manifold, niki, ranboo, and people in surrounding areas like karl, sapnap, george, who all had homes near or within l'manburg.

not only that, doomsday wasnt even casualty free on the lives front, because jack manifold lost his last canon life to techno.

there were people there, and as tommy and techno spoke they were being actively treated like they weren't.

whatever you want to say about doomsday, whether it was an act of revenge or a political move from an anarchist, it wasn't techno that wasn't being treated like a person.

it was all the people he hurt that day, who's whole existence was ignored.

the line 'we're people too' isn't tommy saying 'i'. he's referring to everyone else, and even acknowledging that techno is a person. he's confirming what he said!

i want to even move on to now, to the more recent events of the dsmp since doomsday. how about the night before the final disc confrontation. it was the next time he spoke to techno. tommy fully well and believed he'd die the following day, stole a few potions, but then talked with techno. he said he knew he fucked up, he apologized, and left the door open to right wrongs at a later date or talk more if he came back.

techno hasn't even apologized to tubbo over the execution, let alone given a mutual apology back to tommy.

and he left the door open. he even had invited phil and techno to his hotel opening.

tommy has always had some sort of respect for techno and has never once viewed him as anything less than a person, a friend. he's even apologized and left the door open for them to talk it out someday, a door which techno metaphorically slams shut each time.

meanwhile techno has laughed about tommy's death and imprisonment, and actively continues to help someone who DOES view him as only a weapon. dream to this day views techno as a weapon. even when he had nothing in prison and entirely relied on techno for escape, he'd written down attachments techno had, like steve, just like how he had wanted the axe of peace (then no longer cared for it once he found out techno didnt care), and carl to use against techno so that he could use techno's power like a weapon.

but yeah, yeah tommy's 'we're people too' is the empty statement.

techno didnt just hurt tommy on doomsday. and there were more people there that were hurt by techno than just tommy. funnily enough two of which he consider close friends, and one of which he vows to avenge the death of, but still cant even apologize to that friend's spouse. but he's happy to go on a journey with his friend's spouse to go find and protect their kid.

but yeah. yeah uh, no techno treats other people like people guys! its not like he actively makes it out that in order to even have basic respect from him you have to earn it first. or makes it out that once you wrong him, there's no second chances. no other people don't make mistakes, other people aren't people, only he is, i guess! and he's the only one being treated poorly. he's not doing that and hasn't been doing that since he killed a kid, no! never. /s

anyway anon /nm. i encourage you to rewatch the vods from that time period, because technoblade's biggest character trait imo is that he's a huge hypocrite. which makes him an interesting character, but his statement of 'im a person' is almost always the one clinged to in things. from analysis posts to fanfictions to animatics. but not the follow up of 'we are too'.

because it makes it out as if techno was the only one hurt in that situation. he wasn't. not by a long shot.

[phocidine]

Cc!Techno being uncomfortable with the fact that some fans think his characters in the wrong

Vs

Cc!Dream having the time of his life making his character the evilest evil to ever evil

[demonadelem]

If you're into discourse, don't reply or reblog please. I don't wanna be involved.

You wonder why c!Tommy doesn't tell people about his trauma? He's afraid of being looked down upon. Don't wanna be babied or "you could have done this, you should have done that" or worst of all blamed for it, laughed at. Venting to the wrong person causes more damage then help.

[springatito-moved]

c!Techno: I hope tommy finds whatever he’s looking for

Everyone who watched c!Tommy fight tirelessly time and time again to have L’manburg and his family and express constantly that’s all he’s ever wanted only watch c!Techno destroy it twice with no remorse:

[isa-grapes]

the duality of man is being a bedrock bros enthusiast but also wanting to yell at techno for one hundred hours

[markets]

well imean that was sweet i guess but like what good does it do without an apology also you cant say you hope he finds what hes looking for hwen hes made it pretty evident he just wants safety and a family and youve ttaken that from him time and time again and are on good terms with his abuser. we have to take into consideration that this was only to be canonically read if he died so he couldnt have fully reconciled with him using it but still also c!tubbo didnt even get a mention and hes like my best friend so meh like literally just meh All i have 2 say about all that...

[glittter-skeleton]

I am like passively pissed that Techno’s apology got accepted immediately, while Eret got theirs only at the end of the stream. Eret did everything they could to apologize, they fought in like two whole wars for L’Manburg and techno just broke Dream out and yet he’s the more redeemable one?