#corinthi-kins

[sailorbowie]

I feel so bad for neil gaiman right now, he has every right to be proud of what the Sandman has become, but now he has to sit here and watch us all drool over Dream, simp for Constantine or Desire, and even us sickos who were rooting for and are down abysmal for the Corinthian.

neil. neil. if evil then why hot? riddle me that.

[sailorbowie]

Corinthian, my babygirl, my beloved, my blorbo, my dearly be-teethed, the apple of my eyes you wanna eat so bad, my darling, my terrifying, my treasured ally, friend, whore, my icon, my desire, you’re so wonderful, do not ever change. Deep down you know what you are. a slut guy.

[sailorbowie]

absolutely down abysmal for the corinthian its making me mad. like i see this stupid fucker with his sunglasses and im salivating like a dog. im barking and howling. im on my hands and knees banging the floor. my hands are out like a hungry victorian orphan. PLEASE SIR, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE???

[sailorbowie]

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

(+18) Corinthian x transmasc! Reader (w/ 2 endings!)

You work a mediocre job scooping ice cream and hey who’s that suspiciously attractive sunglasses guy over there?

(A labor of love and lots of hormones on a Monday night. Enjoy, fellow sickos.)

[sailorbowie]

WHO THE FUCK LET THE CORINTHIAN SUPERVISE CHILDREN?

he doesn’t even have EYES!!!!!!

[sailorbowie]

Hey there! Found you in the tags. You have so many interesting thoughts about Corinthian! Very canon-like. As in: comics canon-like. I agree with them for the most part, but, as I'm much more interested in the Netflix adaptation version of Corinthian, I have to say, I'm torn and a bit confused when it comes to understanding his portrayal in the show. Is it just me or does it feel like the writers tried to play "both teams"? Maybe even tried to make Corinthian an antihero?

On the one hand, Corinthian is a nightmare going rogue - a rabid dog off the leash. He can't be reasoned with, he's not competing with anyone, he has nothing to prove. After us the deluge. The Dreaming be damned, he just wants to win himself just about enough freedom to be able to indulge into his sick, abhorrent acts of violence.

On the other hand, it's very clear that in the show The Corinthian's character has gone through a series of changes and become humanised. He's portrayed as having a lot of human qualities. In interactions with Rose and her brother, he almost (almost) crosses the line between villain and antihero, and becomes the latter (for the love of god, chicken wings? he bought Rose's brother some chicken wings!). He hates Morpheus, but does the really despise him? When Morpheus says that he thinks he "created Corinthian poorly", there's genuine pain in the nightmare's eyes.

And so my question is, which one do you think it is in the end? Am I misinterpreting something? With human qualities come human responses, human perception. Why did Corinthian want to understand what it feels like to be a human? Was his motivation to leave The Dreaming akin to that of Fiddler's Green? I'M CONFUSED

I'm sorry for writing a bleeding novel, but I just really liked reading your thoughts and wanted to hear you opinion on the topic. Decided I might give it a go. I hope I'm not being a nuisance. Sorry in advance

First off, fantastic analysis and question(s)! And secondly, you are not a nuisance! I genuinely love getting to dive deep into characters like this that aren't quite black and white. I will try to address everything the best that I can.

Is it just me or does it feel like the writers tried to play "both teams"? Maybe even tried to make Corinthian an antihero? / ...He (almost) crosses the line...

I confess that it's hard to know what was on the minds of the writers in the room, but I won't rule out antihero. It's clear that despite wishing to stay faithful to the Sandman comics, the writers wanted to tailor the Corinthian's character to suit the narrative of Dream's development as a person. Dream's development is, ironically, becoming more of a person, understanding humans better. I've seen the three arcana (Corinthian, Fiddler's Green, Gault) used as examples of Dream's creations seeking the experience of humanity.

Gault was a Nightmare wishing to become a Dream and bring joy to humans, she later receives her wish after Morpheus uncreates and recreates her.

Fiddler's Green was a Dream wishing to experience life as a human, and he is more cooperative in returning to the Dreaming as a place.

The Corinthian was a Nightmare who was trying to seek humanity but found himself becoming more corrupt and less human the more he gave into his desire to kill. It is part of why he realizes he has failed in the end, and why he is devastated by Dream's disappointment in him. I think it is when he realized he failed, he realized he failed to understand humanity entirely, too.

These three Dreaming entities seek out humanity, and throughout the series, Dream himself is grappling to understand humanity too, and the way the current season ends is with Dream giving one of his creations a second chance. (And, perhaps he will give the Corinthian a second chance, but that's a secret for those who read ;) )

Got off track there, but was the Corinthian meant to be an antihero?

It's probably easier to say that he's leaning more towards the side of villainy. In the end, he is uncreated and his last words are filled with spite for Dream. Although Dream admits that the Corinthian fulfilled his intended purpose very well, he cannot accept how far has gone. I believe the Corinthian's anger towards his creator is somewhat justified because if I was a being created to instill terror, and I was doing just that, I would be pretty pissed off too to learn that I was a failure in doing what was in my nature.

If you asked the Corinthian this question, he'd believe himself to be the hero, 100%.

Why did Corinthian want to understand what it feels like to be a human? Was his motivation to leave The Dreaming akin to that of Fiddler's Green?

Although his primary activities included killing and coercing others to kill, he also engaged in actual human activities too. He flirted/made love with people, cruised around in a nice car, ate ice cream and eyeballs, and even had a concept of kindness (albeit, mostly for getting something selfish in return). If you squint enough, I guess you could say he was trying.

He was just staying true to his nature as a Nightmare, and wanted everyone else to follow along. He had an idea of humanity that was flawed, and perhaps next time he will learn to tread carefully.

Compared to Fiddler's Green, I think the Corinthian learned part of what made people human, but his understanding wasn't perfect. But they left for different reasons. Fiddler's Green wished to understand humanity, and knew he was venerated in Dream's eyes enough to be trusted. The Corinthian, however, knew Dream wished to take him away from the waking world, so he was running away.

This was a mess and I probably didn't address everything the right way, but I implore you to reach out to me via DM so we could discuss it further.

I think when the layers of physical and charismatic attributes are pulled away, the Corinthian is a fascinating character worth exploring more. Thank you for your novel, enjoy mine in return :) .

[sailorbowie]

I think you will all be pleased to know that before watching the Sandman I just assumed most if not all of the cast was British because of my past experience with Neil Gaiman Showz so when I heard Boyd Holbrook speak in the almost EXACT same voice as the Corinthian my brain blew up inside of my skull and shot out of my ears and nose because I got the reverse of a British Actor Jumpscare. SURPRISE! AMERICAN! JUMPSCARE! (GOD BLESS AMERICA)

[sailorbowie]

I need s2 and more just so I can get Matthew telling Corinthian that he doesn't like him and seeing Boyd acting sad that a funky little raven doesn't like him

AGH SAME!!! I just wanna see him get all sassy and a little bit distraught like a sad puppy over Matthew not liking him. I think CorinthIIan deserves a little bit of humbling like Dream does.